I'll admit, all this salt from the haters is delicious

This week summed up:

"There's absolutely no way that one of the objectively best coaches out there and one of only 4 active HCs who has won a NC is EVER leaving Florida State for Texas A&M!"

One Day Later

"Unpossible! A&M sucks! And Jimbo must suck too! NO program out there would want to hire him for any possible reason!


So yummy and delicious

Please pass some more of that salt!

(12-02-2017 06:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:09 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 12:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 12:03 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

History? FSU is pure nouveaux-riche in the college football world. Until around 1984, nobody had ever heard of them. They didn't win their first major bowl until 1989.

TAMU has been playing football since 1894, won their first major bowl 50 years before FSU won theirs, and won their first national title at least 54 years before FSU won theirs.

FSU has been in a Power conference for 25 years. TAMU has been in a power conference for ... forever. More than 100 years, as long as the concept has existed.

Just in the past 5 years, FSU was practically begging the SEC to let them in but no dice, the SEC rolled out the red carpet for TAMU.

TAMU is OLD money in college football, FSU is a new kid on the block.

And insitutionally, there's no comparing them. FSU has a $650 million endowment. TAMU's is $10 Billion. Yes, with a "B".

Last year, with a worse team, TAMU drew 101,000 fans per game. FSU, with an Orange Bowl winning team, drew 76,000. Far bigger and richer fan and alumni base.

Everything about TAMU is bigger and better than FSU.

FSU turned down the SEC in favor of the ACC.

I'm not talking about 1990, when FSU wasn't even anything yet, and Bobby Bowden was afraid of playing all those good SEC teams.

I'm talking about the last 5 years, when FSU desperately wanted to join the SEC, but the SEC had no interest but was eager to invite TAMU.

No question, FSU is a big football brand name. But that makes them far from the most desirable school. Any conference would rather have TAMU than FSU. They'd be welcome everywhere. FSU? Only in the ACC.

You might want to fact check your statements. Pretty sure, and I ask other SEC folks here to chime in here, that the SEC would welcome FSU and a few other ACC schools as a part of SEC expansion.

Before the ACC signed its GOR, FSU was practically begging to get in the SEC. No dice.

Heck, one reason FSU signed the GOR was after they realized the SEC had no interest in them.

Now if it was North Carolina? Well yes, the SEC would surely have taken them in with open arms. They would right now or any day of the week.

Which just goes to show that value to a conference isn't based on football success on the field.

Clearly Texas A&M was a no brainer pick for the SEC over any school except perhaps Texas, expanding the conference's geographic footprint into the second biggest state in the US and allowing the SEC to reopen its TV deal with ESPN. The process that the SEC used to select a 14th school, though, was pretty transparent. They insisted that schools come to them, as they pretty much refused to recruit schools from other conferences. I don't recall any reports of FSU pursuing SEC membership. Perhaps any interest was shut down quietly with a "don't bother" from a well connected contact. If they wanted to beg, because of the SEC process, they had every opportunity to do so, but I seriously don't recall any stories suggesting that they were actively pursuing an invitation. Several other schools literally were begging, including Mizzou and WVU.

Hey sodium boy, for the record I never said I thought Jimbo was a great coach. Great coaches don’t go 5-6 at FSU. I said TAMU thinks they are a top ten program when they aren’t; I guess grossly overpaying a losing coach proves that.

If you don’t think his seat was hot next season, you’re a fool.

Cool so you have nothing to worry about

(12-02-2017 09:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I'll admit, all this salt from the haters is delicious

This week summed up:

"There's absolutely no way that one of the objectively best coaches out there and one of only 4 active HCs who has won a NC is EVER leaving Florida State for Texas A&M!"

The only people who would have said that are Walmart/T-shirt fans who don't understand what makes an institution valuable.

TAMU is obviously superior to FSU, that's why every power conference would gladly take TAMU, whereas maybe only the ACC would take FSU.

Jimbo leaving FSU for TAMU wasn't an upset, it was what a reasonable observer would expect. TAMU just has more to offer than FSU.

(12-02-2017 09:36 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 06:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:09 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 12:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 12:03 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  FSU turned down the SEC in favor of the ACC.

I'm not talking about 1990, when FSU wasn't even anything yet, and Bobby Bowden was afraid of playing all those good SEC teams.

I'm talking about the last 5 years, when FSU desperately wanted to join the SEC, but the SEC had no interest but was eager to invite TAMU.

No question, FSU is a big football brand name. But that makes them far from the most desirable school. Any conference would rather have TAMU than FSU. They'd be welcome everywhere. FSU? Only in the ACC.

You might want to fact check your statements. Pretty sure, and I ask other SEC folks here to chime in here, that the SEC would welcome FSU and a few other ACC schools as a part of SEC expansion.

Before the ACC signed its GOR, FSU was practically begging to get in the SEC. No dice.

Heck, one reason FSU signed the GOR was after they realized the SEC had no interest in them.

Now if it was North Carolina? Well yes, the SEC would surely have taken them in with open arms. They would right now or any day of the week.

Which just goes to show that value to a conference isn't based on football success on the field.

Clearly Texas A&M was a no brainer pick for the SEC over any school except perhaps Texas, expanding the conference's geographic footprint into the second biggest state in the US and allowing the SEC to reopen its TV deal with ESPN.

Let's face it. As one wag said about Marilyn Monroe long ago, "she's everyone's type".

TAMU is very attractive to every conference, and for the same reasons they were attractive to the SEC. Every single conference - ACC, PAC, B1G, Big 12, SEC, would be happy to have TAMU. They are a strong institution in every way. Not quite as much as Texas, but not that far away either. Clearly moreso than FSU.

Fisher had $75 Million reasons guaranteed to take the Texas A&M gig...not about school but about the loot....don’t get it twisted...

(12-02-2017 09:36 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 06:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:09 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 12:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 12:03 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  FSU turned down the SEC in favor of the ACC.

I'm not talking about 1990, when FSU wasn't even anything yet, and Bobby Bowden was afraid of playing all those good SEC teams.

I'm talking about the last 5 years, when FSU desperately wanted to join the SEC, but the SEC had no interest but was eager to invite TAMU.

No question, FSU is a big football brand name. But that makes them far from the most desirable school. Any conference would rather have TAMU than FSU. They'd be welcome everywhere. FSU? Only in the ACC.

You might want to fact check your statements. Pretty sure, and I ask other SEC folks here to chime in here, that the SEC would welcome FSU and a few other ACC schools as a part of SEC expansion.

Before the ACC signed its GOR, FSU was practically begging to get in the SEC. No dice.

Heck, one reason FSU signed the GOR was after they realized the SEC had no interest in them.

Now if it was North Carolina? Well yes, the SEC would surely have taken them in with open arms. They would right now or any day of the week.

Which just goes to show that value to a conference isn't based on football success on the field.

Clearly Texas A&M was a no brainer pick for the SEC over any school except perhaps Texas, expanding the conference's geographic footprint into the second biggest state in the US and allowing the SEC to reopen its TV deal with ESPN. The process that the SEC used to select a 14th school, though, was pretty transparent. They insisted that schools come to them, as they pretty much refused to recruit schools from other conferences. I don't recall any reports of FSU pursuing SEC membership. Perhaps any interest was shut down quietly with a "don't bother" from a well connected contact. If they wanted to beg, because of the SEC process, they had every opportunity to do so, but I seriously don't recall any stories suggesting that they were actively pursuing an invitation. Several other schools literally were begging, including Mizzou and WVU.

Missouri was "allegedly" an ESPN suggestion. A&M didn't open up the renegotiation of the SEC contract. That required two new markets which is why at that time Florida State could not be considered.

And Neil in 2011 Florida was willing again to nominate Florida State and expressed a concern over future scheduling issues that might arise with expansion as their reason. They had done this in '92. That's when Slive asked for a "gentlemen's agreement" not to nominate your in state rival for SEC membership until the requirement of two new markets had been fulfilled so the existing contract could be reopened. After the addition of two new markets both South Carolina who was willing to nominate Clemson, and Florida who wanted to nominate Florida State, would be free to do so in a future expansion provided the additions added to the bottom line of the conference.

Now that we are likely to depart the market model this is feasible.

So there was interest and Florida expressed it for them. There was no action because we needed two new markets. Missouri was available and after Deaton spoke with A&M about the possibility Bernie Machen of Florida took over as an old friend of Deaton's and the rest is history. A&M had been in the works since '92.

And another point to clean up is that of West Virginia. The Eers never begged us for admission. In '92 both W.V.U. and Virginia Tech expressed interest with W.V.U. submitting an application. The SEC thought at the time that they were too remote to be considered and the application was tabled. In 2011 they were a bit more desperate but not just to be in the SEC, but to be anywhere but the Big East. They applied again and we sent them a prospectus on what had to be done to be evaluated favorably.

Mizzou had the clear market advantage, were AAU, and the sole P5 school in their state. That was pretty much the end of it.

Florida State was interested in 2011. I doubt they made application but I'm sure discussions were going on back door. As the model shifts back to content F.S.U. will likely gain gravitas again.

(12-02-2017 08:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 01:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 12:14 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

And what they provide is essential to life, unlike attorneys and politicians. Can you imagine your world without the food they produce both from the farm and the ranch?

It is perhaps one of the most essential callings there is for a planet approaching 8 billion mouths to feed. So perhaps a little more respect is due.

Nah brah, we got stem cell farmers now. Sit down and enjoy your lab steak.

You enjoy it. I'll take mine the natural way thanks. And while your at it enjoy those genetically engineered crops that were made less digestible to insects and then reach for your Nexium when your done, because that which insects cant digest as easily won't be too easy for you to digest either. So Monsanto aids Pfizer. What a wonderful world huh? First North Carolina poisons our lungs with tobacco, and now they poison our bodies with big Pharma.

I'll take a pass on your lifestyle.

(12-02-2017 10:47 AM)Maize Wrote:  Fisher had $75 Million reasons guaranteed to take the Texas A&M gig...not about school but about the loot....don’t get it twisted...

Some people just do not get that. +2

(12-02-2017 10:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  Hey sodium boy, for the record I never said I thought Jimbo was a great coach. Great coaches don’t go 5-6 at FSU. I said TAMU thinks they are a top ten program when they aren’t; I guess grossly overpaying a losing coach proves that.

If you don’t think his seat was hot next season, you’re a fool.

What would a Tar Heel know about great coaching?

Fisher is damn smart to leave when he did. He's a great coach, but in today's landscape you can really only stay at 1 place for so long without the natives getting restless. If Francois doesn't come back fully healthy and they struggle again to something like 7-8 wins he's all of a sudden on the hot seat despite having a very recent national title. The fact that he's leaving and getting a massive raise and the entire contract guaranteed for a decade makes it a complete no brainer. Now in a vacuum if I'm a coach and I'm picking between taking the FSU job or the A&M job I'm taking the FSU job every single time, but that's not the scenario.

(12-02-2017 11:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 10:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  Hey sodium boy, for the record I never said I thought Jimbo was a great coach. Great coaches don’t go 5-6 at FSU. I said TAMU thinks they are a top ten program when they aren’t; I guess grossly overpaying a losing coach proves that.

If you don’t think his seat was hot next season, you’re a fool.

What would a Tar Heel know about great coaching?

I'm sure they have a class for it.

(12-02-2017 11:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 10:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  Hey sodium boy, for the record I never said I thought Jimbo was a great coach. Great coaches don’t go 5-6 at FSU. I said TAMU thinks they are a top ten program when they aren’t; I guess grossly overpaying a losing coach proves that.

If you don’t think his seat was hot next season, you’re a fool.

What would a Tar Heel know about great coaching?

Quite a lot, actually.

(12-02-2017 11:36 AM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 11:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 10:10 AM)esayem Wrote:  Hey sodium boy, for the record I never said I thought Jimbo was a great coach. Great coaches don’t go 5-6 at FSU. I said TAMU thinks they are a top ten program when they aren’t; I guess grossly overpaying a losing coach proves that.

If you don’t think his seat was hot next season, you’re a fool.

What would a Tar Heel know about great coaching?

I'm sure they have a class for it.

Maybe. I graduated long ago.

(12-02-2017 11:06 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 08:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 01:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 12:14 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

And what they provide is essential to life, unlike attorneys and politicians. Can you imagine your world without the food they produce both from the farm and the ranch?

It is perhaps one of the most essential callings there is for a planet approaching 8 billion mouths to feed. So perhaps a little more respect is due.

Nah brah, we got stem cell farmers now. Sit down and enjoy your lab steak.

You enjoy it. I'll take mine the natural way thanks. And while your at it enjoy those genetically engineered crops that were made less digestible to insects and then reach for your Nexium when your done, because that which insects cant digest as easily won't be too easy for you to digest either. So Monsanto aids Pfizer. What a wonderful world huh? First North Carolina poisons our lungs with tobacco, and now they poison our bodies with big Pharma.

I'll take a pass on your lifestyle.

Sarcasm is lost on this one. Why so serious? Coach on the move westward?

(12-02-2017 11:12 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 10:47 AM)Maize Wrote:  Fisher had $75 Million reasons guaranteed to take the Texas A&M gig...not about school but about the loot....don’t get it twisted...

Some people just do not get that. +2

A&M gave him a offer that hardly anyone would refuse...literally!!

(12-02-2017 11:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Fisher is damn smart to leave when he did. He's a great coach, but in today's landscape you can really only stay at 1 place for so long without the natives getting restless. If Francois doesn't come back fully healthy and they struggle again to something like 7-8 wins he's all of a sudden on the hot seat despite having a very recent national title. The fact that he's leaving and getting a massive raise and the entire contract guaranteed for a decade makes it a complete no brainer. Now in a vacuum if I'm a coach and I'm picking between taking the FSU job or the A&M job I'm taking the FSU job every single time, but that's not the scenario.

Jimbo watched how well Miami, UCF & USF did, Kiffins nice year at FAU, a new coach at Florida......he got scared.

He got scared and ran away from the competition in the state of Florida. Let's just call it what it is.

No one is going to argue that TAMU is not a better academic school than FSU but this is not about academics.

(12-02-2017 11:55 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 11:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Fisher is damn smart to leave when he did. He's a great coach, but in today's landscape you can really only stay at 1 place for so long without the natives getting restless. If Francois doesn't come back fully healthy and they struggle again to something like 7-8 wins he's all of a sudden on the hot seat despite having a very recent national title. The fact that he's leaving and getting a massive raise and the entire contract guaranteed for a decade makes it a complete no brainer. Now in a vacuum if I'm a coach and I'm picking between taking the FSU job or the A&M job I'm taking the FSU job every single time, but that's not the scenario.

Jimbo watched how well Miami, UCF & USF did, Kiffins nice year at FAU, a new coach at Florida......he got scared.

He got scared and ran away from the competition in the state of Florida. Let's just call it what it is.

No one is going to argue that TAMU is not a better academic school than FSU but this is not about academics.

I don’t know if it was running away so much as it was running to, an open bank vault.

(12-02-2017 11:50 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 11:12 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 10:47 AM)Maize Wrote:  Fisher had $75 Million reasons guaranteed to take the Texas A&M gig...not about school but about the loot....don’t get it twisted...

Some people just do not get that. +2

A&M gave him a offer that hardly anyone would refuse...literally!!

It makes you wonder why they didn't offer Saban that package 5 years ago when they joined the conference. What might have been?