(10-09-2017 05:01 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 08:58 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  3 teams in the top 25. P6...next topic?

Your confusion seems to be because it's a structural thing, not based on the ephemera of weekly pools.

5 conferences with contracted bowls for their champion if not in the CFP: P5.

5 conference with a 6th CFP share to split among themselves as the group agrees upon, with the best of their five champion schools guaranteed one Access Bowl spot: Go5.

"P6" can be plastered everywhere you happen to look, but it's an aspiration rather than achievement until you get a separate CFP share and a contract bowl in the CFP NY6.

What you are confused about is what this P6 marketing scheme is all about. Its about perception. Its planting seeds for the future.

(10-09-2017 07:54 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:01 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 08:58 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  3 teams in the top 25. P6...next topic?

Your confusion seems to be because it's a structural thing, not based on the ephemera of weekly pools.

5 conferences with contracted bowls for their champion if not in the CFP: P5.

5 conference with a 6th CFP share to split among themselves as the group agrees upon, with the best of their five champion schools guaranteed one Access Bowl spot: Go5.

"P6" can be plastered everywhere you happen to look, but it's an aspiration rather than achievement until you get a separate CFP share and a contract bowl in the CFP NY6.

What you are confused about is what this P6 marketing scheme is all about. Its about perception. Its planting seeds for the future.

The risk with that strategy is what might grow from those seeds. The perception at the moment is that the AAC is a wannabe. The longer that persists, the more likely it becomes the permanent reality.

If only Notre Dame and the Cathlic 7 had opted to bolt before the additions of ECU and Tulane rather than after. If that had been the case the football only memberships for Boise St and San Diego St could have become all sports invites and they could have built a truly national footprint:

East: UConn, Temple, USF, UCF, Cincy, Memphis
West: Navy, SMU, Houston, San Siego St, Boise St, Air Force

This league would be the undisputed P6. If you really wanted to you could go beyond those 12 with other adds like BYU, Tulsa, etc.

Air Force-Navy becoming a conference game frees up AFA to keep an OOC series going with Colorado St. Navy in the West gets them Texas recruiting, an annual West Coast trip including Naval Base-rich San Diego every other, as well as AFA as a divisional match up, and the freedom to schedule games with teams in the eastern US near major Naval installations (ODU, USA, Etc).

If they felt the need to being non-football schools into the plan to create more pronounced divisional structure Gonzaga and St Mary's would be great western adds (tanking the WCC might also draw in BYU). In the east there are a whole slew of options including Dayton and VCU.

(10-09-2017 08:18 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If only Notre Dame and the Cathlic 7 had opted to bolt before the additions of ECU and Tulane rather than after. If that had been the case the football only memberships for Boise St and San Diego St could have become all sports invites and they could have built a truly national footprint:

East: UConn, Temple, USF, UCF, Cincy, Memphis
West: Navy, SMU, Houston, San Siego St, Boise St, Air Force

This league would be the undisputed P6. If you really wanted to you could go beyond those 12 with other adds like BYU, Tulsa, etc.

Air Force-Navy becoming a conference game frees up AFA to keep an OOC series going with Colorado St. Navy in the West gets them Texas recruiting, an annual West Coast trip including Naval Base-rich San Diego every other, as well as AFA as a divisional match up, and the freedom to schedule games with teams in the eastern US near major Naval installations (ODU, USA, Etc).

SDSU and Boise State are good programs but it makes no sense to travel that much especially if you're talking all sports.

Tulane and Tulsa were a mistake though. Smaller private schools are limited to any real growth.

(10-09-2017 08:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:54 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:01 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 08:58 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  3 teams in the top 25. P6...next topic?

Your confusion seems to be because it's a structural thing, not based on the ephemera of weekly pools.

5 conferences with contracted bowls for their champion if not in the CFP: P5.

5 conference with a 6th CFP share to split among themselves as the group agrees upon, with the best of their five champion schools guaranteed one Access Bowl spot: Go5.

"P6" can be plastered everywhere you happen to look, but it's an aspiration rather than achievement until you get a separate CFP share and a contract bowl in the CFP NY6.

What you are confused about is what this P6 marketing scheme is all about. Its about perception. Its planting seeds for the future.

The risk with that strategy is what might grow from those seeds. The perception at the moment is that the AAC is a wannabe. The longer that persists, the more likely it becomes the permanent reality.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while.

(10-09-2017 08:23 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:54 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:01 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 08:58 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  3 teams in the top 25. P6...next topic?

Your confusion seems to be because it's a structural thing, not based on the ephemera of weekly pools.

5 conferences with contracted bowls for their champion if not in the CFP: P5.

5 conference with a 6th CFP share to split among themselves as the group agrees upon, with the best of their five champion schools guaranteed one Access Bowl spot: Go5.

"P6" can be plastered everywhere you happen to look, but it's an aspiration rather than achievement until you get a separate CFP share and a contract bowl in the CFP NY6.

What you are confused about is what this P6 marketing scheme is all about. Its about perception. Its planting seeds for the future.

The risk with that strategy is what might grow from those seeds. The perception at the moment is that the AAC is a wannabe. The longer that persists, the more likely it becomes the permanent reality.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while.

Do you have anything to offer besides insults?

(10-09-2017 08:22 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:18 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If only Notre Dame and the Cathlic 7 had opted to bolt before the additions of ECU and Tulane rather than after. If that had been the case the football only memberships for Boise St and San Diego St could have become all sports invites and they could have built a truly national footprint:

East: UConn, Temple, USF, UCF, Cincy, Memphis
West: Navy, SMU, Houston, San Siego St, Boise St, Air Force

This league would be the undisputed P6. If you really wanted to you could go beyond those 12 with other adds like BYU, Tulsa, etc.

Air Force-Navy becoming a conference game frees up AFA to keep an OOC series going with Colorado St. Navy in the West gets them Texas recruiting, an annual West Coast trip including Naval Base-rich San Diego every other, as well as AFA as a divisional match up, and the freedom to schedule games with teams in the eastern US near major Naval installations (ODU, USA, Etc).

SDSU and Boise State are good programs but it makes no sense to travel that much especially if you're talking all sports.

Tulane and Tulsa were a mistake though. Smaller private schools are limited to any real growth.

I went back and finished flushing out my plan after I made my OP. I think the way you ease that travel burden is bringing in some basketball schools in both the East and the West so you aren't making quite as many coast to coast trips in Olympic sports. Gonzaga and St Mary's at the time both expressed interest in raising their basketball profile as West Coast members of the Big East but were shut down. Grab them and then leverage BYU to join as a 13th football school. That gives the West 7-8 schools to work with. In the East just take your pick of A-10 schools.

(10-09-2017 08:28 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:23 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:54 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:01 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Your confusion seems to be because it's a structural thing, not based on the ephemera of weekly pools.

5 conferences with contracted bowls for their champion if not in the CFP: P5.

5 conference with a 6th CFP share to split among themselves as the group agrees upon, with the best of their five champion schools guaranteed one Access Bowl spot: Go5.

"P6" can be plastered everywhere you happen to look, but it's an aspiration rather than achievement until you get a separate CFP share and a contract bowl in the CFP NY6.

What you are confused about is what this P6 marketing scheme is all about. Its about perception. Its planting seeds for the future.

The risk with that strategy is what might grow from those seeds. The perception at the moment is that the AAC is a wannabe. The longer that persists, the more likely it becomes the permanent reality.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while.

Do you have anything to offer besides insults?

Nothing insulting there, the P6 proclamation is laughable, it is like the Big Sky saying they are FBS.


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If Texas and Oklahoma bolt, the Big 12 won't look any different than the AAC. What is ISU value to the networks? Not much with no Texas and Oklahoma games.

Remember the AAC has the ranked teams...just like the Big 12-2.

(10-09-2017 08:28 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:23 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:54 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:01 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Your confusion seems to be because it's a structural thing, not based on the ephemera of weekly pools.

5 conferences with contracted bowls for their champion if not in the CFP: P5.

5 conference with a 6th CFP share to split among themselves as the group agrees upon, with the best of their five champion schools guaranteed one Access Bowl spot: Go5.

"P6" can be plastered everywhere you happen to look, but it's an aspiration rather than achievement until you get a separate CFP share and a contract bowl in the CFP NY6.

What you are confused about is what this P6 marketing scheme is all about. Its about perception. Its planting seeds for the future.

The risk with that strategy is what might grow from those seeds. The perception at the moment is that the AAC is a wannabe. The longer that persists, the more likely it becomes the permanent reality.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while.

Do you have anything to offer besides insults?

Nothing insulting. Its called marketing oneself for the future. Its called building your resume. Its called drawing attention to yourself to highlight the distinct differences in the quality of the conference compared to the other non contract conferences. This is business and marketing 101. Build the perception. Highlight your positives to separate oneself from the others.
So one does market yourself through the press, plant those seeds so to speak, because you don't want to be though of as a "wannabee". Yes, I'll say it again, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in a while.

AAC West Division might be better than the SEC East or the Big 10 West this year.

(10-09-2017 12:06 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:28 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:23 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:54 AM)otown Wrote:  What you are confused about is what this P6 marketing scheme is all about. Its about perception. Its planting seeds for the future.

The risk with that strategy is what might grow from those seeds. The perception at the moment is that the AAC is a wannabe. The longer that persists, the more likely it becomes the permanent reality.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while.

Do you have anything to offer besides insults?

Nothing insulting. Its called marketing oneself for the future. Its called building your resume. Its called drawing attention to yourself to highlight the distinct differences in the quality of the conference compared to the other non contract conferences. This is business and marketing 101. Build the perception. Highlight your positives to separate oneself from the others.
So one does market yourself through the press, plant those seeds so to speak, because you don't want to be though of as a "wannabee". Yes, I'll say it again, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in a while.

If you don't believe "ridiculous" is an insult, then your command of the English language is weak. Try having a civil conversation. It works better.

All I was suggesting is that calling attention to yourself in this way is risky. Surely you are aware of the derision hurled at the AAC over their decision to self-style their league as P6. When you couple that with the fact that the league's best programs are very publicly scratching and clawing to leave it for greener pastures, the P6 claim takes on a "whistling past the graveyard" quality.

If the league continues to perform well on the field, and fannies in the seats, and eyeballs on the TV screens, perception will take care of itself. If it doesn't, then people will just laugh all the harder at P6 stickers on helmets.

The MWC tried the same scheme as the 7th AQ conference and they had a better trio at the top than the AAC. How did the cartel respond? By taking Utah and TCU and opening the door for BYU to go independent. Schools get promoted, not entire conferences. Look at the MWC and the Big East/AAC being demoted to G5 status.

(10-07-2017 09:16 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  It's not G5 or p5 , that is just propaganda
Technically it's really this
5 playoff conferences with autonomy
5 nonplayoff conferences

Technically, the contracts that created the College Football Playoff actually specifically refer to the "Group of Five" conferences, namely: AAC, MWC, MAC, CUSA, and Sun Belt conference. The other "Contract" conferences are: PAC, B1G, SEC, ACC, and B12.

The term "P5" and "Power 5" is the propaganda. They should be designated as the "Contract" conferences.

The good news for the AAC this week is that it has three teams ranked in the AP poll. I note that if San Diego St. and Boise St. had stayed with their commitment to join the Big East/AAC, the AAC would have FOUR teams ranked in the AP poll - the same number as the ACC and PAC 12.

(10-09-2017 08:23 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 07:54 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 05:01 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 08:58 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  3 teams in the top 25. P6...next topic?

Your confusion seems to be because it's a structural thing, not based on the ephemera of weekly pools.

5 conferences with contracted bowls for their champion if not in the CFP: P5.

5 conference with a 6th CFP share to split among themselves as the group agrees upon, with the best of their five champion schools guaranteed one Access Bowl spot: Go5.

"P6" can be plastered everywhere you happen to look, but it's an aspiration rather than achievement until you get a separate CFP share and a contract bowl in the CFP NY6.

What you are confused about is what this P6 marketing scheme is all about. Its about perception. Its planting seeds for the future.

The risk with that strategy is what might grow from those seeds. The perception at the moment is that the AAC is a wannabe. The longer that persists, the more likely it becomes the permanent reality.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while.

Really? The concept of a public relations push to improve an organization/companies public perception is pretty common. To that end, my guess is the marketing push is much more about the next AAC tv contract and much less about trying to actually push their way into the existing structure of the P5. To me, its mostly about differentiating the AAC product from the non-power conferences in the mind of the typical college football viewer. Its simply a natural extension of the early decision to emphasize exposure above pay out in the original TV deal. Its all part of growing the leagues attractiveness as a media property.

ESPN has definitely chosen the AAC as its top G5 conference - plus Boise St. Through Week 6, ESPN channels have broadcast 13 games involving American teams.

ESPN channels have broadcast 10 MWC games; however, only 4 of those games did not involve Boise St. (x4) or...Alabama (x2).

ESPN has only broadcast 6 MAC games, 5 C-USA games, and 5 Sun Belt games - and every single one of those broadcasts involved either a P5 *or AAC* opponent or Boise St.

(10-09-2017 12:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:06 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:28 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:23 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  The risk with that strategy is what might grow from those seeds. The perception at the moment is that the AAC is a wannabe. The longer that persists, the more likely it becomes the permanent reality.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while.

Do you have anything to offer besides insults?

Nothing insulting. Its called marketing oneself for the future. Its called building your resume. Its called drawing attention to yourself to highlight the distinct differences in the quality of the conference compared to the other non contract conferences. This is business and marketing 101. Build the perception. Highlight your positives to separate oneself from the others.
So one does market yourself through the press, plant those seeds so to speak, because you don't want to be though of as a "wannabee". Yes, I'll say it again, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in a while.

If you don't believe "ridiculous" is an insult, then your command of the English language is weak. Try having a civil conversation. It works better.

All I was suggesting is that calling attention to yourself in this way is risky. Surely you are aware of the derision hurled at the AAC over their decision to self-style their league as P6. When you couple that with the fact that the league's best programs are very publicly scratching and clawing to leave it for greener pastures, the P6 claim takes on a "whistling past the graveyard" quality.

If the league continues to perform well on the field, and fannies in the seats, and eyeballs on the TV screens, perception will take care of itself. If it doesn't, then people will just laugh all the harder at P6 stickers on helmets.

The media create the narrative. Not unlike the media can create the narrative for things outside college sports. They can expose scandals if given enough press, or they can bury them and you wont here a peep. Unless the AAC is vocal in marketing themselves, they are sure to be buried. Tell me this, could you even name the other 4 non contract conference commissioners or the last time you actually heard them market their conferences outside of a very brief story during their media days that had zero press coverage to begin with?

Lastly, before making ill formed judgments on my grasp of the English language, it would do you wonders to brush up on your reading comprehension skills as calling one's argument ridiculous is not the same thing as somebody calling you directly ridiculous. Quit turning this into something its not.

(10-09-2017 12:20 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  AAC West Division might be better than the SEC East or the Big 10 West this year.

Sagarin puts the West below both, estimating that the difference between them and the SEC East is about as large as the difference between the SEC West and ACC Coastal.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

(10-09-2017 12:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The MWC tried the same scheme as the 7th AQ conference and they had a better trio at the top than the AAC. How did the cartel respond? By taking Utah and TCU and opening the door for BYU to go independent. Schools get promoted, not entire conferences. Look at the MWC and the Big East/AAC being demoted to G5 status.

This is what the AAC fanboys do not understand. I give the conference all the credit in the world for pushing to be the best and improve their lot, but anyone who thinks the cartel will see you as equals and eventually give you an auto-bid is delusional. If your goal is to expand your media deals and change your national perception then have at it, but the big boys and sports media will always see you as the little brother - does any UC fan think OSU will see them as legit competition, or Texas with UH, or UF/FSU with UCF/USF? And if you're trying to the G5 NY6 bid into a de facto AAC slot then have at it, but college football has too much parity to turn the last point into reality imo. We're not even a year removed from Western freaking Michigan from playing in the Cotton Bowl.

(10-09-2017 01:55 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:06 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:28 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:23 AM)otown Wrote:  That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while.

Do you have anything to offer besides insults?

Nothing insulting. Its called marketing oneself for the future. Its called building your resume. Its called drawing attention to yourself to highlight the distinct differences in the quality of the conference compared to the other non contract conferences. This is business and marketing 101. Build the perception. Highlight your positives to separate oneself from the others.
So one does market yourself through the press, plant those seeds so to speak, because you don't want to be though of as a "wannabee". Yes, I'll say it again, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in a while.

If you don't believe "ridiculous" is an insult, then your command of the English language is weak. Try having a civil conversation. It works better.

All I was suggesting is that calling attention to yourself in this way is risky. Surely you are aware of the derision hurled at the AAC over their decision to self-style their league as P6. When you couple that with the fact that the league's best programs are very publicly scratching and clawing to leave it for greener pastures, the P6 claim takes on a "whistling past the graveyard" quality.

If the league continues to perform well on the field, and fannies in the seats, and eyeballs on the TV screens, perception will take care of itself. If it doesn't, then people will just laugh all the harder at P6 stickers on helmets.

The media create the narrative. Not unlike the media can create the narrative for things outside college sports. They can expose scandals if given enough press, or they can bury them and you wont here a peep. Unless the AAC is vocal in marketing themselves, they are sure to be buried. Tell me this, could you even name the other 4 non contract conference commissioners or the last time you actually heard them market their conferences outside of a very brief story during their media days that had zero press coverage to begin with?

Lastly, before making ill formed judgments on my grasp of the English language, it would do you wonders to brush up on your reading comprehension skills as calling one's argument ridiculous is not the same thing as somebody calling you directly ridiculous. Quit turning this into something its not.

I guess that must be a generational thing. When and where I grew up, saying "that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard" was not considered civil discourse. Maybe that's one of the reasons why America is so divided these days.

(10-09-2017 04:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 01:55 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:06 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:28 AM)ken d Wrote:  Do you have anything to offer besides insults?

Nothing insulting. Its called marketing oneself for the future. Its called building your resume. Its called drawing attention to yourself to highlight the distinct differences in the quality of the conference compared to the other non contract conferences. This is business and marketing 101. Build the perception. Highlight your positives to separate oneself from the others.
So one does market yourself through the press, plant those seeds so to speak, because you don't want to be though of as a "wannabee". Yes, I'll say it again, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in a while.

If you don't believe "ridiculous" is an insult, then your command of the English language is weak. Try having a civil conversation. It works better.

All I was suggesting is that calling attention to yourself in this way is risky. Surely you are aware of the derision hurled at the AAC over their decision to self-style their league as P6. When you couple that with the fact that the league's best programs are very publicly scratching and clawing to leave it for greener pastures, the P6 claim takes on a "whistling past the graveyard" quality.

If the league continues to perform well on the field, and fannies in the seats, and eyeballs on the TV screens, perception will take care of itself. If it doesn't, then people will just laugh all the harder at P6 stickers on helmets.

The media create the narrative. Not unlike the media can create the narrative for things outside college sports. They can expose scandals if given enough press, or they can bury them and you wont here a peep. Unless the AAC is vocal in marketing themselves, they are sure to be buried. Tell me this, could you even name the other 4 non contract conference commissioners or the last time you actually heard them market their conferences outside of a very brief story during their media days that had zero press coverage to begin with?

Lastly, before making ill formed judgments on my grasp of the English language, it would do you wonders to brush up on your reading comprehension skills as calling one's argument ridiculous is not the same thing as somebody calling you directly ridiculous. Quit turning this into something its not.

I guess that must be a generational thing. When and where I grew up, saying "that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard" was not considered civil discourse. Maybe that's one of the reasons why America is so divided these days.

Actually, I feel part of the reason America is so divided is that people take offense to too many things. Back on topic please.