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(09-28-2017 08:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
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(09-28-2017 08:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-27-2017 05:14 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The idea that the "Jones Act" is keeping supplies from PR is ludicrous, ridiculous, and a deflection from the point that there is debris in water impeding shipping, there is no power at the ports to power the cranes to unload supplies, and there is damaged infrastructure keeping supplies from being delivered.

Link?

You are are questioning if there is damage after a hurricane? 03-confused

https://www.fema.gov/news-release/2017/0...astructure

No, I'm questioning whether there is still debris in the water preventing ships from making port in PR.

No, that wasn't all that you bolded.

And I didn't say "preventing," that's the word you inserted to try to help recover from your original question.
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http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/...ponse.html

Quote:The U.S. will send the hospital ship USNS Comfort to Puerto Rico in a ramped up military response, hampered by poor communications, to the devastation caused by Hurricane Maria, the Pentagon said Wednesday.

"We need to understand what [they] need in order to get the right stuff there to the right place," Air Force Gen. Lori Robinson, commander of U.S. Northern Command, said in an acknowledgement that initial assessments failed to gauge the scope of the disaster.

To speed the flow of aid, the military response was being shifted from a sea-based relief effort from the Amphibious Ready Group led by the amphibious assault ship Kearsarge to an Army-led forward headquarters on the ground in Puerto Rico, the Defense Department said in a statement.

Army Brig. Gen. Rick Kim, deputy commander of U.S. Army North, was deploying Wednesday to Puerto Rico to set up a Joint Force Land Component Commander-Forward (JFLCC) base on the island to manage the relief and recovery effort on the ground, DoD said.

Following pleas by island officials for medical aid, the Comfort was preparing to leave port in Norfolk, Virginia but will probably take several days to deploy as it takes on crew and supplies, according to Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Brock Long and the Navy.

Quote:At a Women In Defense summit in Washington, Robinson, who is overseeing the military response in Puerto Rico, said that it has been difficult thus far to direct the relief.

The problem was in getting a grip on what was needed -- and where -- "on the ground so we don't add to the burden to make sure you put the right capability and capacity in -- whether it's power generators, whether it's water, food," she said.

Robinson said she was in constant contact with the other services to ask "Do you have the things that you need in order to sustain until we figure out more [of] what's happening in Puerto Rico?"

At the direction of the FEMA and local governors, NorthCom has overall responsibility for military relief and recovery efforts in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands, while U.S. Southern Command, through the State Department, was overseeing operations in the Caribbean's Leeward Islands.

The military initially moved quickly to put in place water, food and medical aid for the 3.4 million U.S. citizens on the island who have mostly been without power and communications since Maria hit last week.

On Tuesday, President Donald Trump said that the relief effort was "going well," but Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Joseph Dunford told a Senate Armed Services hearing that recovery operations have been limited by damage caused to ports and airfields.

"Roughly 44 percent of the population remains without drinking water," DoD said in a statement. Of the 69 hospitals on the island, about 59 were believed to be operational but their status and whether they have power was unknown, DoD said.

The deployment of more ships, aircraft and troops to Puerto Rico followed criticism of the adequacy of the U.S. response thus far and DoD's acknowledgment that poor communications may have affected initial assessments of the disaster.

Quote:The DoD statement said that improving communications were now "providing a clearer picture of the extent of the storm damage and the magnitude of the response challenge."

"Given the changing scope and conditions, DoD will adjust its concept of operations in Puerto Rico and transition from a short term, sea-based response to a predominantly land-based effort designed to provide robust, longer term support to FEMA and the Territory," the DoD statement said.

In a separate statement, the Army said that more than 3,800 soldiers and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers civilians were now in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

The Army has 16 aircraft and 520 trucked committed to the relief effort, and an additional eight HH-60 helicopters were expected to arrive in the next 24 hours, the statement said.

The Puerto Rico Army National Guard was primarily focused on route clearance and re-establishing communications on the island, the statement said.
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http://www.armytimes.com/news/your-milit...erto-rico/

Quote:In the short term, FEMA, U.S. Transportation Command, U.S. Coast Guard, Navy, National Guard troops and other relief workers were working on getting immediate needs addressed on the island. Those needs include establishing communications and medical care and increasing the number of aircraft that can take off and depart from Puerto Rico.

FEMA is delivering 350 satellite phones and DOD “is sourcing FEMA requirements for additional medical support including, for [Puerto Rico] a medical [and] surgical treatment facility with 50-bed inpatient care, ground [and] rotary ambulances, five medical teams and airlift for civilian ambulance,” Davis said.

DOD teams also restored radar and control tower capabilities in Puerto Rico to increase the number of aircraft that can access the island.

NORTHCOM said the number of aircraft that can land in Puerto Rico should rise from three to six aircraft an hour to 10 an hour, and have as many as 240 planes coming in with aid and evacuation options within the next 24 hours.

As of Tuesday FEMA and other U.S. federal agencies have provided more than 4 million meals, 6 million liters of water, 70,000 tarps and 15,000 rolls of roof sheeting to all of the areas affected by Hurricane Maria, according to a Tweet sent out by FEMA’s public affairs office.
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So many facts!

It's almost like people skimmed a few news stories about Puerto Rico, saw the word "Trump," and lost their minds.
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(09-28-2017 09:30 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  So many facts!

It's almost like people skimmed a few news stories about Puerto Rico, saw the word "Trump," and lost their minds.

it's the new cliff notes 'norm'....

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(09-28-2017 09:30 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  So many facts!

It's almost like people skimmed a few news stories about Puerto Rico, saw the word "Trump," and lost their minds.

They were issued their talking points and like good little leftists they ran with it.
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Good people have been infected by Trump Derangement Syndrome. It makes me sad, honestly. Just had a good friend of mine recently proclaim that he will never again refer to Trump as "President." As if President Donald J Trump was not elected to the Oval Office and he's just a usurper.

I was careful never to get caught in ODS but TDS is spreading like a zombie virus in a movie.
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And to back LS's earlier post about ports being closed, San Juan harbor was only opened on Tuesday. Prior to that it was only open during daylight hours.

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(09-28-2017 09:02 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 08:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 08:50 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 08:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-27-2017 05:14 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The idea that the "Jones Act" is keeping supplies from PR is ludicrous, ridiculous, and a deflection from the point that there is debris in water impeding shipping, there is no power at the ports to power the cranes to unload supplies, and there is damaged infrastructure keeping supplies from being delivered.

Link?

You are are questioning if there is damage after a hurricane? 03-confused

https://www.fema.gov/news-release/2017/0...astructure

No, I'm questioning whether there is still debris in the water preventing ships from making port in PR.

No, that wasn't all that you bolded.

And I didn't say "preventing," that's the word you inserted to try to help recover from your original question.

Sorry...you said it was ludicrous it was the Jones act "keeping supplies from PR" (your words) so I assumed you were then saying it was the debris in the water that was keeping the supplies from PR. Apologies.
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(09-28-2017 09:46 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Good people have been infected by Trump Derangement Syndrome. It makes me sad, honestly. Just had a good friend of mine recently proclaim that he will never again refer to Trump as "President." As if President Donald J Trump was not elected to the Oval Office and he's just a usurper.

I was careful never to get caught in ODS but TDS is spreading like a zombie virus in a movie.

Perhaps you can bump any post in this thread where anyone is blaming trump alone for anything in PR?

And I clearly have said it is not his direct fault.

The only thing I faulted him for, was his fault, not setting aside the Jones Act immediately like he did for Texas and Florida. Now I see where he suspended the Act for only 10 days. That's likely not enough time to have a real impact.
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(09-28-2017 09:46 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Good people have been infected by Trump Derangement Syndrome. It makes me sad, honestly. Just had a good friend of mine recently proclaim that he will never again refer to Trump as "President." As if President Donald J Trump was not elected to the Oval Office and he's just a usurper.

I was careful never to get caught in ODS but TDS is spreading like a zombie virus in a movie.

And the thing is, on policy, he is one of the least objectionable Republicans they could have. Most of it, like the antipathy by the gays, is just pure derangement.
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He waived Jones today.
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(09-28-2017 10:24 AM)Claw Wrote:  He waived Jones today.

But apparently not for long enough. I know, anything to complain about Trump.
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(09-28-2017 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Perhaps you can bump any post in this thread where anyone is blaming trump alone for anything in PR?

I mean, it starts right here in the first post. From you.


Redwingtom Wrote:It's hard to know since trump seems more consumed with the NFL

Redwingtom Wrote:Hopefully we're actually doing all we can...and it just appears that we aren't.

swagsurfer11 Wrote:This is going to be worse than Katrina.

Redwingtom Wrote:What I read was not that it would not get there because of issues in PR itself, but rather issues in DC. To me, that's a problem.

Redwingtom Wrote:So, he's basically choosing business over Americans.

I can go on, but the point has been made. Numerous swipes at the President and his administration. Trying to deflect that you are not referring the the President and his administration will righfully be met with guffaws.

Sorry, but the left has received a righteous call-out on their unfair, unfounded criticisms of the President and his administration's handling of Puerto Rico.
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LS, please tell me that from appearances alone whether trump seems to care more about the NFL than Puerto Rico.

It's quite clear his focus seems more on the NFL, etc.

That's all I was saying. That's not blaming him specifically for any issues with PR other than with the Jones Act. At least not yet. It's still way too early.
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(09-28-2017 10:35 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 10:24 AM)Claw Wrote:  He waived Jones today.

But apparently not for long enough. I know, anything to complain about Trump.

Do you feel that 10 days is enough time to get everything needed brought into PR?

To me, that seems extremely optimistic. Of course he can easily add more time come day 9 or 10 I would assume.
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(09-28-2017 10:38 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
Redwingtom Wrote:What I read was not that it would not get there because of issues in PR itself, but rather issues in DC. To me, that's a problem.

This is referring to financial aid, and I already explained above I was referring to DC as a whole and not trump because he doesn't control the money, that's congress.
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(09-28-2017 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  LS, please tell me that from appearances alone whether trump seems to care more about the NFL than Puerto Rico.

It's quite clear his focus seems more on the NFL, etc.

Trump tweeted a bit about the NFL

The Government of the United States of America, as lead by President Donald J Trump and members of his Administration, have dedicated appropriate time and resources to assisting Puerto Rico.

Which is really more important?

If there are enough hours in the day for all of us to work and still comment on a message board, there are enough hours in the day for the President to fire off a few tweets about the NFL.
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(09-28-2017 11:55 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  LS, please tell me that from appearances alone whether trump seems to care more about the NFL than Puerto Rico.

It's quite clear his focus seems more on the NFL, etc.

Trump tweeted a bit about the NFL

The Government of the United States of America, as lead by President Donald J Trump and members of his Administration, have dedicated appropriate time and resources to assisting Puerto Rico.

Which is really more important?

If there are enough hours in the day for all of us to work and still comment on a message board, there are enough hours in the day for the President to fire off a few tweets about the NFL.
03-lmfao noooo, we (and Trump) can't walk and chew gun at the same time.

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More "doing nothing"

http://www.northcom.mil/Newsroom/Press-R...nd-the-us/

Quote:U.S. Northern Command continues to conduct 24-hour operations, conducting search and rescue operations, bringing additional essential commodities to the islands, and restoring power at hospitals, ports, airports and other critical facilities.

In Puerto Rico, enhanced communications and completed assessments are providing a clearer picture of the extent of damage, allowing the federal response to better focus its efforts.
Today, the Department of Defense is conducting 16 missions scheduled to deliver food and water, fuel, medical supplies, contingency response units, communications support, as well as assisting with commodity distribution in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Specifically:

Puerto Rico:

• U.S. Marines and Navy sailors are actively providing first responder movement, commodity and fuel distribution and route clearance in Puerto Rico. They have established Roosevelt Roads Airfield as a staging base to actively provide hurricane relief and commercial air operations. They are also transporting Health and Human Services assessment teams to hospitals across Puerto Rico to determine medical requirements.

• The Defense Logistics Agency is transporting 15,000 gallons of fuel to Puerto Rico, in addition to their ongoing food, water and basic commodity deliveries.

• One C-5 is arriving in Puerto Rico with support staff to begin the transition from a sea-based to land-based response. This unit includes approximately 50 personnel.

• One C-5 and one C-17 is arriving in Puerto Rico with the Mobile Emergency Response (MERS) unit to provide mobile telecommunications, life support, logistics, operational support and power generation. This is a continuation of yesterday’s mission and provides a total of four units in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Each of the four units includes approximately 20 personnel and equipment.

• One C-17 and two C-130s are arriving in Puerto Rico with the Federal Aviation Administration’s initial response team from Dobbins Air Reserve Base, Georgia. This is a continuation of yesterday’s mission to provide airfield support operations.

• One C-130 is arriving in Puerto Rico with the Joint Communications Support Element (JCSE) from MacDill Air Force Base, Florida. This unit includes approximately five personnel and five tons of equipment to provide full-spectrum communications support.

U.S. Virgin Islands:

• The Defense Logistics Agency is transporting 10,000 gallons of fuel to the U.S. Virgin Islands, in addition to their ongoing food, water and basic commodity deliveries.

• Five C-17s are arriving in Saint Thomas with the 247th Composite Supply Company from Fort Carson, Colorado, to provide supplies to the 601st Area Support Medical Company. This unit includes approximately 30 personnel and 190 tons of fuel and medical equipment.

• Four C-17s are arriving in Saint Croix with 22 pallets of bottled water and 25 pallets of shelf-stable meals able to support 250,000 local residents.
USNORTHCOM's mission is to assist lead federal relief agencies in helping those affected by natural disasters to minimize suffering while continuing its mission of defending the Homeland.
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