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What catches me is Wilder stated now that a medical redshirt may not be given to Ray.... But when talking about Duhart he has confidence the NCAA will grant him a medical red shirt.

Wilder probably got wind of Ray wanting to transfer after he receives his medical redshirt. Maybe the injury wasn't season ending as we were told but away to save Ray for next season. Who knows whats going on with Ray, his parents and Wilder. We do know that Ray has had issues with off season practices over the years, maybe there are deeper issues we dont know about.

(10-11-2017 09:35 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  What catches me is Wilder stated now that a medical redshirt may not be given to Ray.... But when talking about Duhart he has confidence the NCAA will grant him a medical red shirt.

Wilder probably got wind of Ray wanting to transfer after he receives his medical redshirt. Maybe the injury wasn't season ending as we were told but away to save Ray for next season. Who knows whats going on with Ray, his parents and Wilder. We do know that Ray has had issues with off season practices over the years, maybe there are deeper issues we dont know about.

BW cannot "give" a medical redshirt, it can only be granted by the NCAA. To the other side of the "conspiracy theory" if Lawry is trying to use this year to sit then transfer, only the institution's sports medicine staff can state whether he's incapacitated for the season to merit the medical hardship. Regardless if he doesn't play another down, if the medical staff clears him in the middle of the season, then he is no longer deemed "incapacitated" therefore he wouldn't be granted a medical hardship.

I have to believe that if the player and the coaches want an injury to be season ending rather than clearing a kid to play the last two games, the medical staff can accommodate that.

(10-11-2017 09:43 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:35 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  What catches me is Wilder stated now that a medical redshirt may not be given to Ray.... But when talking about Duhart he has confidence the NCAA will grant him a medical red shirt.

Wilder probably got wind of Ray wanting to transfer after he receives his medical redshirt. Maybe the injury wasn't season ending as we were told but away to save Ray for next season. Who knows whats going on with Ray, his parents and Wilder. We do know that Ray has had issues with off season practices over the years, maybe there are deeper issues we dont know about.

BW cannot "give" a medical redshirt, it can only be granted by the NCAA. To the other side of the "conspiracy theory" if Lawry is trying to use this year to sit then transfer, only the institution's sports medicine staff can state whether he's incapacitated for the season to merit the medical hardship. Regardless if he doesn't play another down, if the medical staff clears him in the middle of the season, then he is no longer deemed "incapacitated" therefore he wouldn't be granted a medical hardship.

I never said BW could grant a medical redshirt thats the NCAA decision. I find it odd when BW talks of Duhart he feels confident that he'll receive a medical redshirt. But on the subject of Ray, BW said NCAA medical redshirt is unlikely granted for Ray.

(10-11-2017 10:03 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:43 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:35 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  What catches me is Wilder stated now that a medical redshirt may not be given to Ray.... But when talking about Duhart he has confidence the NCAA will grant him a medical red shirt.

Wilder probably got wind of Ray wanting to transfer after he receives his medical redshirt. Maybe the injury wasn't season ending as we were told but away to save Ray for next season. Who knows whats going on with Ray, his parents and Wilder. We do know that Ray has had issues with off season practices over the years, maybe there are deeper issues we dont know about.

BW cannot "give" a medical redshirt, it can only be granted by the NCAA. To the other side of the "conspiracy theory" if Lawry is trying to use this year to sit then transfer, only the institution's sports medicine staff can state whether he's incapacitated for the season to merit the medical hardship. Regardless if he doesn't play another down, if the medical staff clears him in the middle of the season, then he is no longer deemed "incapacitated" therefore he wouldn't be granted a medical hardship.

I never said BW could grant a medical redshirt thats the NCAA decision. I find it odd when BW talks of Duhart he feels confident that he'll receive a medical redshirt. But on the subject of Ray, BW said NCAA medical redshirt is unlikely granted for Ray.

I think its because JD had surgery, you could make a pretty solid case that with surgery you are def out for the year. With Ray there its more subjective, he hurt his hamstring in the first game but if it heals with 7 games to go the NCAA could say well you could have played in more than 30% of your games (30% is the threshold for medical redshirt). Its not our fault you didnt play. I think you could make the case that a torn hamstring deserves a medical redshirt but its not a sure thing. It would suck to sit out thinking you are a getting another year and then it doenst happen, especially if you knew you could have played for half of the year.

(10-11-2017 09:22 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:15 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:12 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:08 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 05:25 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  Indeed

OK, so let me ask you a couple of questions, seriously. How is it that RL already knew he was going to WVU next year? Did he contact them? Did they contact him? Did his agents contact WVU? Seeing as we have now had one kid invited to combine, several with legitimate NFL shots, what makes the situation at WVU that much more appealing? Is any of this legal? At what point in your college career are you allowed to have an agent?

And everything we hear coming out of ODU about this is a lie? BW? RL? All bull****? does this happen often at this level?

You have to admit that the whole thing is a little odd at the very least. Seems curious that he had a major tear of his hamstring a few weeks ago, it was announced that he was out for the season a couple weeks ago, and now he is completely 100%.

I am not saying anybody is lying or that there is, in fact, some conspiracy, but the timeline definitely strikes me as a bit odd.

Wondering if BW is coaching for his job this year. Probably not, but this definitely looks like desperation.

If I were to go into conspiracy land, the theory would be that Ray maybe tweaked it in the first game, saw an opportunity, exaggerated the injury, then the coaching staff found out what was going on and said if you are going to try to fake an injury to get a medical redshirt we are going to clear you to play, then we end up where we are now.

****Totally conspiracy. I am not saying this is what happened or even likely what happened, but as conspiracies go, this is the one I would choose.

(10-11-2017 10:12 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 10:03 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:43 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:35 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  What catches me is Wilder stated now that a medical redshirt may not be given to Ray.... But when talking about Duhart he has confidence the NCAA will grant him a medical red shirt.

Wilder probably got wind of Ray wanting to transfer after he receives his medical redshirt. Maybe the injury wasn't season ending as we were told but away to save Ray for next season. Who knows whats going on with Ray, his parents and Wilder. We do know that Ray has had issues with off season practices over the years, maybe there are deeper issues we dont know about.

BW cannot "give" a medical redshirt, it can only be granted by the NCAA. To the other side of the "conspiracy theory" if Lawry is trying to use this year to sit then transfer, only the institution's sports medicine staff can state whether he's incapacitated for the season to merit the medical hardship. Regardless if he doesn't play another down, if the medical staff clears him in the middle of the season, then he is no longer deemed "incapacitated" therefore he wouldn't be granted a medical hardship.

I never said BW could grant a medical redshirt thats the NCAA decision. I find it odd when BW talks of Duhart he feels confident that he'll receive a medical redshirt. But on the subject of Ray, BW said NCAA medical redshirt is unlikely granted for Ray.

I think its because JD had surgery, you could make a pretty solid case that with surgery you are def out for the year. With Ray there its more subjective, he hurt his hamstring in the first game but if it heals with 7 games to go the NCAA could say well you could have played in more than 30% of your games (30% is the threshold for medical redshirt). Its not our fault you didnt play. I think you could make the case that a torn hamstring deserves a medical redshirt but its not a sure thing. It would suck to sit out thinking you are a getting another year and then it doenst happen, especially if you knew you could have played for half of the year.

Ray injured his hamstring in practice and tried to play through it in the first game. Then a week later he had a tear in practice and had to be carted off the field from what I was told. That doesnt line up with trying to milk an injury. I think uts been 4-5 weeks since the tear.

There is a gray area of the medical hardship requirements that Ray is hinging on. It is still possible for him to play vs. Marshall and if he reinjured himself can still apply for a medical redshirt. He has only played in one game, he is under the 30% of the season/has played in three games or less and we have not completed the second half of the season yet.

*The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
*The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

(10-11-2017 09:47 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I have to believe that if the player and the coaches want an injury to be season ending rather than clearing a kid to play the last two games, the medical staff can accommodate that.

Yes, I would also imagine accommodations would be made when there are only a few games left. But, it's harder to pass if you're able to participate when there's 7 games left.

(10-11-2017 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  There is a gray area of the medical hardship requirements that Ray is hinging on. It is still possible for him to play vs. Marshall and if he reinjured himself can still apply for a medical redshirt. He has only played in one game, he is under the 30% of the season/has played in three games or less and we have not completed the second half of the season yet.

*The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
*The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

Season ending injury has to happen in the first 30% of the season. Pretty sure if he were to play this weekend and have a season ending injury he is SOL.

(10-11-2017 06:22 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  There is a gray area of the medical hardship requirements that Ray is hinging on. It is still possible for him to play vs. Marshall and if he reinjured himself can still apply for a medical redshirt. He has only played in one game, he is under the 30% of the season/has played in three games or less and we have not completed the second half of the season yet.

*The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
*The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

Season ending injury has to happen in the first 30% of the season. Pretty sure if he were to play this weekend and have a season ending injury he is SOL.

Seems like there are conflicting requirements. You say first 30%. Aim High says first 50% (prior to 2nd half). I don't know what to hope for at this point.

(10-11-2017 08:33 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 06:22 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  There is a gray area of the medical hardship requirements that Ray is hinging on. It is still possible for him to play vs. Marshall and if he reinjured himself can still apply for a medical redshirt. He has only played in one game, he is under the 30% of the season/has played in three games or less and we have not completed the second half of the season yet.

*The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
*The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

Season ending injury has to happen in the first 30% of the season. Pretty sure if he were to play this weekend and have a season ending injury he is SOL.

Seems like there are conflicting requirements. You say first 30%. Aim High says first 50% (prior to 2nd half). I don't know what to hope for at this point.

Ray has only played in less than 10%/ 1 game and ODU football hasn't completed half our season yet.

NCAA Bylaw 12.8.4 details the hardship waiver requirements. There are three key criteria in play:

1) the injury must be season-ending.
2) the injury occurs during the first half of the season.
3) the injury occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or 30 percent

(10-11-2017 08:54 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:33 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 06:22 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  There is a gray area of the medical hardship requirements that Ray is hinging on. It is still possible for him to play vs. Marshall and if he reinjured himself can still apply for a medical redshirt. He has only played in one game, he is under the 30% of the season/has played in three games or less and we have not completed the second half of the season yet.

*The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
*The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

Season ending injury has to happen in the first 30% of the season. Pretty sure if he were to play this weekend and have a season ending injury he is SOL.

Seems like there are conflicting requirements. You say first 30%. Aim High says first 50% (prior to 2nd half). I don't know what to hope for at this point.

Ray has only played in less than 10%/ 1 game and ODU football hasn't completed half our season yet.

NCAA Bylaw 12.8.4 details the hardship waiver requirements. There are three key criteria in play:

1) the injury must be season-ending.
2) the injury occurs during the first half of the season.
3) the injury occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or 30 percent

So if he doesn't play this weekend (game 6) I think the odds of him redshirting go up significantly.

(10-11-2017 09:04 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:54 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:33 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 06:22 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  There is a gray area of the medical hardship requirements that Ray is hinging on. It is still possible for him to play vs. Marshall and if he reinjured himself can still apply for a medical redshirt. He has only played in one game, he is under the 30% of the season/has played in three games or less and we have not completed the second half of the season yet.

*The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
*The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

Season ending injury has to happen in the first 30% of the season. Pretty sure if he were to play this weekend and have a season ending injury he is SOL.

Seems like there are conflicting requirements. You say first 30%. Aim High says first 50% (prior to 2nd half). I don't know what to hope for at this point.

Ray has only played in less than 10%/ 1 game and ODU football hasn't completed half our season yet.

NCAA Bylaw 12.8.4 details the hardship waiver requirements. There are three key criteria in play:

1) the injury must be season-ending.
2) the injury occurs during the first half of the season.
3) the injury occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or 30 percent

So if he doesn't play this weekend (game 6) I think the odds of him redshirting go up significantly.

yea, but were dealing with the NCAA

(10-11-2017 09:19 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:04 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:54 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:33 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 06:22 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  Season ending injury has to happen in the first 30% of the season. Pretty sure if he were to play this weekend and have a season ending injury he is SOL.

Seems like there are conflicting requirements. You say first 30%. Aim High says first 50% (prior to 2nd half). I don't know what to hope for at this point.

Ray has only played in less than 10%/ 1 game and ODU football hasn't completed half our season yet.

NCAA Bylaw 12.8.4 details the hardship waiver requirements. There are three key criteria in play:

1) the injury must be season-ending.
2) the injury occurs during the first half of the season.
3) the injury occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or 30 percent

So if he doesn't play this weekend (game 6) I think the odds of him redshirting go up significantly.

yea, but were dealing with the NCAA

Yes..and also the NCAA has made granting a 6th year of eligibility even harder than 10 yrs ago.

(10-11-2017 09:04 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:54 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:33 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 06:22 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  There is a gray area of the medical hardship requirements that Ray is hinging on. It is still possible for him to play vs. Marshall and if he reinjured himself can still apply for a medical redshirt. He has only played in one game, he is under the 30% of the season/has played in three games or less and we have not completed the second half of the season yet.

*The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
*The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

Season ending injury has to happen in the first 30% of the season. Pretty sure if he were to play this weekend and have a season ending injury he is SOL.

Seems like there are conflicting requirements. You say first 30%. Aim High says first 50% (prior to 2nd half). I don't know what to hope for at this point.

Ray has only played in less than 10%/ 1 game and ODU football hasn't completed half our season yet.

NCAA Bylaw 12.8.4 details the hardship waiver requirements. There are three key criteria in play:

1) the injury must be season-ending.
2) the injury occurs during the first half of the season.
3) the injury occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or 30 percent

So if he doesn't play this weekend (game 6) I think the odds of him redshirting go up significantly.

Do you think that since it has been publicly stated in the media and on his twitter that he is practicing and he expects to play would hurt his chances? The NCAA is very inconsistent in granting hardships, but if he is stating that he is good I can see the NCAA not granting it.

(10-12-2017 08:20 AM)SettleDownFolks Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:04 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:54 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:33 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 06:22 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  Season ending injury has to happen in the first 30% of the season. Pretty sure if he were to play this weekend and have a season ending injury he is SOL.

Seems like there are conflicting requirements. You say first 30%. Aim High says first 50% (prior to 2nd half). I don't know what to hope for at this point.

Ray has only played in less than 10%/ 1 game and ODU football hasn't completed half our season yet.

NCAA Bylaw 12.8.4 details the hardship waiver requirements. There are three key criteria in play:

1) the injury must be season-ending.
2) the injury occurs during the first half of the season.
3) the injury occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or 30 percent

So if he doesn't play this weekend (game 6) I think the odds of him redshirting go up significantly.

Do you think that since it has been publicly stated in the media and on his twitter that he is practicing and he expects to play would hurt his chances? The NCAA is very inconsistent in granting hardships, but if he is stating that he is good I can see the NCAA not granting it.

It definitely doesn't help.

(10-12-2017 08:23 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  It definitely doesn't help.

Neither does the fact that UNC has a pending cheating scandal for academic fraud hanging out there.

(10-12-2017 12:53 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 08:23 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  It definitely doesn't help.

Neither does the fact that UNC has a pending cheating scandal for academic fraud hanging out there.

The real question is: Did Ray Lawry participate in a closed scrimmage before his freshman season?

(10-12-2017 12:53 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 08:23 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  It definitely doesn't help.

Neither does the fact that UNC has a pending cheating scandal for academic fraud hanging out there.

Guess nothing is pending anymore. Unbelievable what UNC just got away with.

(10-13-2017 03:02 PM)SettleDownFolks Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 12:53 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 08:23 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  It definitely doesn't help.

Neither does the fact that UNC has a pending cheating scandal for academic fraud hanging out there.

Guess nothing is pending anymore. Unbelievable what UNC just got away with.

Unfortunately, the NCAA is composed of the administrators of the P5 Schools. They aren't going to punish themselves.