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(09-02-2017 03:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
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(09-02-2017 02:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
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(09-02-2017 02:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Haven't lost a lawsuit yet. No idea. Nor do I care so long as they're calling out discrimination that I believe creates an environment that endangers the safety of minorities.

Right, and Ayann Hirsi Ali is an "extremist" and Army bases are "confederate monuments" that must come down. These "hate lists" are nothing more than dog whistles to domestic terrorists like Floyd Lee Corkins.

You're on the wrong side of history, my friend.

Quote:Corkins -- who had chosen the research council as his target after finding it listed as an anti-gay group on the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center -- had planned to stride into the building and open fire on the people inside in an effort to kill as many as possible, he told investigators, according to the court documents.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/justice/dc...index.html

The Family Research Council was and is a straight-up hate group. They consistently advocate criminalization of Gay persons. Their leader paid David Duke thousands. They spent thousands lobbying against condemnation of Uganda's Kill the Gays Bill. They are linked with the World Congress of Families/Russia. They consistently demonize Gay persons, use discredited science, and scapegoat LGBT persons.

And there are plenty of people calling the FRC, and everyone linked to it straight up haters. They have justification for doing so. Its unfortunate that some crazy person decided to operate outside the law, but the FRC doesn't get a pass to continue advocating for horrendous discrimination against LGBT persons in response.

Now, please defend the FRC against charges that they are a hate group.

No, no buts.

We need to clear this up. Do you disavow all domestic terrorism, or do you think it's sometimes justified if it's against what you consider a "hate" group or someone you disagree with politically?

Yes, the attack on the FRC was terrorism and should be condemned.

But..

Wow.
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(09-02-2017 03:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Otherwise, their views and their hate get mainstreamed.

That's called living in a free county, bud.
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(09-02-2017 03:10 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 03:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Otherwise, their views and their hate get mainstreamed.

That's called living in a free county, bud.

And so is the SPLC's freedom of speech to call them out as the haters they are.

By the way, if someone murdered a Klansman, that doesn't give the Klan the license to escape criticism for their advocacy. Its the same principle applies to my condemnation of the attack on the FRC lobby AND the FRC's repugnant advocacy.
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(09-02-2017 03:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 03:10 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 03:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Otherwise, their views and their hate get mainstreamed.

That's called living in a free county, bud.

And so is the SPLC's freedom of speech to call them out as the haters they are.

I'm not so sure of that. Freedom of speech ends once there's a call to imminent, lawless action. At what point does a "hate list" before a "kill list"?

Nevertheless, so is the filing of defamation lawsuits, which is undoubtedly why the SPLC is offshoring their assets.
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(09-02-2017 03:22 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 03:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 03:10 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 03:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Otherwise, their views and their hate get mainstreamed.

That's called living in a free county, bud.

And so is the SPLC's freedom of speech to call them out as the haters they are.

I'm not so sure of that. Freedom of speech ends once there's a call to imminent, lawless action. At what point does a "hate list" before a "kill list"?

Nevertheless, so is the filing of defamation lawsuits, which is undoubtedly why the SPLC is offshoring their assets.

Have any suits been filed? You have the right to call the FRC a hate group. Most likely whoever files it will get with a SLAPP lawsuit in response.

The FRC is called a hate group, because they can credibly be called one. Only way the SPLC loses a lawsuit is via 1950's style jury nullification which would be overturned by the courts.

If someone called the Klan a hate group, would you feel that the Klan could sue them if someone shot at a Klansman? By the way, the head of the FRC paid David Duke thousands (as the head of a campaign). I'm choosing my analogies deliberately here.
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Not another gay thread.. have we stared the concentration camps yet?


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The SPLC was a scam when it was created and remains one today.

A good way to get blacklisted is to work for it--thoroughly substandard.
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(09-02-2017 02:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As Trump ramps up from basic racism toward lawlessness and white nationalism, its prudent for anyone who is a minority to start protecting assets, or is opposed to white nationalism.

This really is old and unfounded.
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(09-02-2017 11:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The SPLC was a scam when it was created and remains one today.

A good way to get blacklisted is to work for it--thoroughly substandard.

People opposed to racism, anti-Semitism, and homophobia have faced blacklisting for centuries in Alabama. Its not anything new.

Blacklisted from what? Is there even a legal industry in Alabama anymore? LOL. Its not like anyone can sue anyone anymore.
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(09-02-2017 01:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 01:10 PM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As a minority from Alabama, I support the SPLC.
As a minority in the USA, I can understand the need to get money out of the reach of the Trump Administration.

Morris Deas and Mark Potok live under constant threats of violence. I'd rather they get paid less, but I understand it. And they have to live in Alabama. And they have recruit researchers to live in Montgomery. Its a true hardship posting.

And its not like you're raising or donating the money. The SPLC is more of an advocacy/research organization than anything else.

By the way, anyone want to name a specific group labeled a hate group by the SPLC so we can discuss WHY they are named there? I've asked multiple times. All I get from y'all is crickets.

Dude, you're a white male. Who you sleep with doesn't make you a minority.

Living in Alabama is far from a hardship. I have plenty of liberal friends who live here just fine.

Well my brother was recently rejected from every hospice we applied to in Mobile. They say 'we can't handle HIV' (although I bet they'll accept any number of contagious diseases that impact white straight persons). He spent one of his last weeks on Earth in terrible pain, in a obscenely unsuitable environment, with no medical care because he couldn't get medical treatment. And if you're detailed as hospice, the insurance company cuts you off from the ER. Please let me know the hospices in Mobile that take HIV positive/Gay persons. I'd love a list. I'd imagine that AIDS Alabama South would probably like a list too.

BTW, there also is a huge problem with getting any medical care in Alabama, if you're perceived to be Gay or have a disease that impacts the Gay community. In Mobile, there's one provider. And they are absolutely unable to cope with the workload. My brother was under 'life and death' level need to get to a HIV specialist. He had to wait weeks.

Here's how HIV positive persons are treated in Alabama. http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/..._dump.html The Mobile Infirmary straight up threw a Gay man, desperately ill with AIDS, in pajamas out of their emergency room, threw him in a puddle on the friggin' street in 40 degree rain and then threw his medicine on top of him, and left him there. He was found 4 hours later. He died of exposure (of course at another hospital - Mobile Infirmary wouldn't treat him). All of this was on security cameras. Criminal charges filed.....ZERO.

Its actually DANGEROUS to be a Gay person in Alabama. Because you can't get medical care. You can't even die with any dignity. In 2017.
Wait, so AIDS is a gay disease now? You used to argue otherwise.

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It disproportionately impacts the Gay community. Any comments on the Mobile Infirmary case? Any idea of where a Gay man with AIDS can get life or death treatment in Alabama's second largest metro? How about where they can even die with dignity?

I believe that the horrendous treatment my brother and other AIDS sufferers in Mobile face is the proximate result of hate groups, rightfully called out by the SPLC, furthering discrimination and demonization against Gay persons. The SPLC is vital in Alabama.

The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.
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(09-03-2017 10:31 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 11:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The SPLC was a scam when it was created and remains one today.

A good way to get blacklisted is to work for it--thoroughly substandard.

People opposed to racism, anti-Semitism, and homophobia have faced blacklisting for centuries in Alabama. Its not anything new.

Blacklisted from what? Is there even a legal industry in Alabama anymore? LOL. Its not like anyone can sue anyone anymore.

Nope, we don't have lawyers in Alabama. We just go around shooting and lynching people.
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(09-03-2017 12:26 PM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 01:10 PM)dfarr Wrote:  Dude, you're a white male. Who you sleep with doesn't make you a minority.

Living in Alabama is far from a hardship. I have plenty of liberal friends who live here just fine.

Well my brother was recently rejected from every hospice we applied to in Mobile. They say 'we can't handle HIV' (although I bet they'll accept any number of contagious diseases that impact white straight persons). He spent one of his last weeks on Earth in terrible pain, in a obscenely unsuitable environment, with no medical care because he couldn't get medical treatment. And if you're detailed as hospice, the insurance company cuts you off from the ER. Please let me know the hospices in Mobile that take HIV positive/Gay persons. I'd love a list. I'd imagine that AIDS Alabama South would probably like a list too.

BTW, there also is a huge problem with getting any medical care in Alabama, if you're perceived to be Gay or have a disease that impacts the Gay community. In Mobile, there's one provider. And they are absolutely unable to cope with the workload. My brother was under 'life and death' level need to get to a HIV specialist. He had to wait weeks.

Here's how HIV positive persons are treated in Alabama. http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/..._dump.html The Mobile Infirmary straight up threw a Gay man, desperately ill with AIDS, in pajamas out of their emergency room, threw him in a puddle on the friggin' street in 40 degree rain and then threw his medicine on top of him, and left him there. He was found 4 hours later. He died of exposure (of course at another hospital - Mobile Infirmary wouldn't treat him). All of this was on security cameras. Criminal charges filed.....ZERO.

Its actually DANGEROUS to be a Gay person in Alabama. Because you can't get medical care. You can't even die with any dignity. In 2017.
Wait, so AIDS is a gay disease now? You used to argue otherwise.

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It disproportionately impacts the Gay community. Any comments on the Mobile Infirmary case? Any idea of where a Gay man with AIDS can get life or death treatment in Alabama's second largest metro? How about where they can even die with dignity?

I believe that the horrendous treatment my brother and other AIDS sufferers in Mobile face is the proximate result of hate groups, rightfully called out by the SPLC, furthering discrimination and demonization against Gay persons. The SPLC is vital in Alabama.

The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.

He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.
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(09-03-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:26 PM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Well my brother was recently rejected from every hospice we applied to in Mobile. They say 'we can't handle HIV' (although I bet they'll accept any number of contagious diseases that impact white straight persons). He spent one of his last weeks on Earth in terrible pain, in a obscenely unsuitable environment, with no medical care because he couldn't get medical treatment. And if you're detailed as hospice, the insurance company cuts you off from the ER. Please let me know the hospices in Mobile that take HIV positive/Gay persons. I'd love a list. I'd imagine that AIDS Alabama South would probably like a list too.

BTW, there also is a huge problem with getting any medical care in Alabama, if you're perceived to be Gay or have a disease that impacts the Gay community. In Mobile, there's one provider. And they are absolutely unable to cope with the workload. My brother was under 'life and death' level need to get to a HIV specialist. He had to wait weeks.

Here's how HIV positive persons are treated in Alabama. http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/..._dump.html The Mobile Infirmary straight up threw a Gay man, desperately ill with AIDS, in pajamas out of their emergency room, threw him in a puddle on the friggin' street in 40 degree rain and then threw his medicine on top of him, and left him there. He was found 4 hours later. He died of exposure (of course at another hospital - Mobile Infirmary wouldn't treat him). All of this was on security cameras. Criminal charges filed.....ZERO.

Its actually DANGEROUS to be a Gay person in Alabama. Because you can't get medical care. You can't even die with any dignity. In 2017.
Wait, so AIDS is a gay disease now? You used to argue otherwise.

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It disproportionately impacts the Gay community. Any comments on the Mobile Infirmary case? Any idea of where a Gay man with AIDS can get life or death treatment in Alabama's second largest metro? How about where they can even die with dignity?

I believe that the horrendous treatment my brother and other AIDS sufferers in Mobile face is the proximate result of hate groups, rightfully called out by the SPLC, furthering discrimination and demonization against Gay persons. The SPLC is vital in Alabama.

The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.

He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.

So you don't know if the guy was gay, had AIDS, or was even there for a gay/HIV related issue, yet you keep on preaching as if you do. Talk about having your head up your ass.

I work in healthcare in Alabama. I went to school with dozens of nurses and physicians. I was either a student or employee at UAB for 12 years. Healthcare is kinda our thing, so I know tons of people throughout the state in healthcare. Half my family are nurses and doctors in this state. I can say unequivocally that your a purely FOS.

Your version of being denied care is not being seen the next day for an ear ache, so excuse me for not feeling sorry for you.
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(09-03-2017 05:17 PM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:26 PM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Wait, so AIDS is a gay disease now? You used to argue otherwise.

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It disproportionately impacts the Gay community. Any comments on the Mobile Infirmary case? Any idea of where a Gay man with AIDS can get life or death treatment in Alabama's second largest metro? How about where they can even die with dignity?

I believe that the horrendous treatment my brother and other AIDS sufferers in Mobile face is the proximate result of hate groups, rightfully called out by the SPLC, furthering discrimination and demonization against Gay persons. The SPLC is vital in Alabama.

The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.

He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.

So you don't know if the guy was gay, had AIDS, or was even there for a gay/HIV related issue, yet you keep on preaching as if you do. Talk about having your head up your ass.

I work in healthcare in Alabama. I went to school with dozens of nurses and physicians. I was either a student or employee at UAB for 12 years. Healthcare is kinda our thing, so I know tons of people throughout the state in healthcare. Half my family are nurses and doctors in this state. I can say unequivocally that your a purely FOS.

Your version of being denied care is not being seen the next day for an ear ache, so excuse me for not feeling sorry for you.

Uh, reading is fundamental. The patient at Mobile Infirmary was listed HIV positive. He was thrown out of the ER because they didn't want to treat him, and because he couldn't really move well, they physically threw him down in a gutter in 40 degree rain. These are not in dispute. Mobile Infirmary, in pleadings designed to try to avoid any responsibility, argued that he died of AIDS. No idea how they came up with that, seeing as they never treated him and the patient died of exposure related illnesses at the hospital he was transported to after he was found in the gutter 4 hours after being physically thrown out of Mobile Infirmary.

Also not in dispute is that I can't find one single hospice in Mobile that accepts AIDS patients. Can you? How about Tuscaloosa?

My brother died last month in needless pain because we couldn't find one single hospice that would take him. Most of the beds are controlled by one hospice company and they flat out rejected him. He experienced terrible pain as a direct result of that denial.

Exactly, what kind of hospice cannot handle a Gay man, who is bed bound, with a DNR and less than 10 days to live? What medical condition does he have that they cannot handle? Obviously you know that the ONLY reason for a denial is.....they don't want to handle it. BTW, the hospice company, which controls many, if not most, of the hospice beds in the entire state, does NOT have sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy.

The reality is that Gay people in Alabama cannot get even BASIC medical care, much less specialized care.

Tomorrow, I'll probably have to pay a 990 dollar penalty for being Gay. Because there's only a couple PCP's in Houston that are trusted by the LGBT community. That's a pain but I'm one of the few people that can afford such a HUGE surtax for being Gay. Most people just do without care as a result. I'm relatively less disadvantaged than Gay people in Alabama, because there are 2 or 3 PCP doctors that treat Gay people with SUPPORT and dignity. I'm not lucky, as I'm still far more disadvantaged than straight persons, who will NEVER have to pick a PCP that is oversubscribed just to avoid being denied a medically necessary referral because of your sexual orientation.

Again, please let me know the hospices in Alabama that take LGBT patients with HIV. Use those contacts and let me know. I'd love to know what you come up with. We were rejected. Not 'there isn't space', but you can't come here. Even if you paid double what the list price was'.

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Where can Gay people in Alabama die with dignity? Maybe there's one facility in Birmingham that has 10 beds and no availability. If there's anything in Mobile, we were unable to find it.
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(09-02-2017 01:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  It disproportionately impacts the Gay community. Any comments on the Mobile Infirmary case? Any idea of where a Gay man with AIDS can get life or death treatment in Alabama's second largest metro? How about where they can even die with dignity?

I believe that the horrendous treatment my brother and other AIDS sufferers in Mobile face is the proximate result of hate groups, rightfully called out by the SPLC, furthering discrimination and demonization against Gay persons. The SPLC is vital in Alabama.

The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.

He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.

So you don't know if the guy was gay, had AIDS, or was even there for a gay/HIV related issue, yet you keep on preaching as if you do. Talk about having your head up your ass.

I work in healthcare in Alabama. I went to school with dozens of nurses and physicians. I was either a student or employee at UAB for 12 years. Healthcare is kinda our thing, so I know tons of people throughout the state in healthcare. Half my family are nurses and doctors in this state. I can say unequivocally that your a purely FOS.

Your version of being denied care is not being seen the next day for an ear ache, so excuse me for not feeling sorry for you.

Uh, reading is fundamental. The patient at Mobile Infirmary was listed HIV positive. He was thrown out of the ER because they didn't want to treat him, and because he couldn't really move well, they physically threw him down in a gutter in 40 degree rain. These are not in dispute. Mobile Infirmary, in pleadings designed to try to avoid any responsibility, argued that he died of AIDS. No idea how they came up with that, seeing as they never treated him and the patient died of exposure related illnesses at the hospital he was transported to after he was found in the gutter 4 hours after being physically thrown out of Mobile Infirmary.

Also not in dispute is that I can't find one single hospice in Mobile that accepts AIDS patients. Can you? How about Tuscaloosa?

My brother died last month in needless pain because we couldn't find one single hospice that would take him. Most of the beds are controlled by one hospice company and they flat out rejected him. He experienced terrible pain as a direct result of that denial.

Exactly, what kind of hospice cannot handle a Gay man, who is bed bound, with a DNR and less than 10 days to live? What medical condition does he have that they cannot handle? Obviously you know that the ONLY reason for a denial is.....they don't want to handle it. BTW, the hospice company, which controls many, if not most, of the hospice beds in the entire state, does NOT have sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy.

The reality is that Gay people in Alabama cannot get even BASIC medical care, much less specialized care.

Tomorrow, I'll probably have to pay a 990 dollar penalty for being Gay. Because there's only a couple PCP's in Houston that are trusted by the LGBT community. That's a pain but I'm one of the few people that can afford such a HUGE surtax for being Gay. Most people just do without care as a result. I'm relatively less disadvantaged than Gay people in Alabama, because there are 2 or 3 PCP doctors that treat Gay people with SUPPORT and dignity. I'm not lucky, as I'm still far more disadvantaged than straight persons, who will NEVER have to pick a PCP that is oversubscribed just to avoid being denied a medically necessary referral because of your sexual orientation.

Again, please let me know the hospices in Alabama that take LGBT patients with HIV. Use those contacts and let me know. I'd love to know what you come up with. We were rejected. Not 'there isn't space', but you can't come here. Even if you paid double what the list price was'.

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Where can Gay people in Alabama die with dignity? Maybe there's one facility in Birmingham that has 10 beds and no availability. If there's anything in Mobile, we were unable to find it.

Reading is fundamental. Nowhere in YOUR link did they mention that the guy was gay or had AIDS at all. Lots of people do just fine living with HIV. I have lots of patients who have it. You equated him being dumped on the street with his HIV status. I'm willing to bet that Mobile Infirmary treats plenty of HIV patients. It's not all that uncommon. I'd much rather treat a HIV patient than a Hep C patient. Hep C is way more contagious.

PCPs don't need to treat gay people with kid gloves. You are the one who has it in your head that there are only 2 doctors in the 4th largest city in the country who treat gays fairly. I'm pretty sure there are more than 2 GAY doctors in Houston, so that claim is bull**** based on simple stats. Hell, there are more than 2 gay docs in my small Alabama town. Gay people get plenty of basic medical care. One of my favorite patients is a flaming homosexual and he's never brought up issues to me, and I see him regularly in my office. Once again, instead of wanting to be treated as an equal, you expect special treatment. Just because you sleep with men doesn't make you special.

Inpatient hospice is rare. I can only think of 1 place in my area of around 100k people that is a inpatient type hospice. Majority of hospice is home based from my limited knowledge.
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(09-03-2017 12:26 PM)dfarr Wrote:  The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.

He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.

So you don't know if the guy was gay, had AIDS, or was even there for a gay/HIV related issue, yet you keep on preaching as if you do. Talk about having your head up your ass.

I work in healthcare in Alabama. I went to school with dozens of nurses and physicians. I was either a student or employee at UAB for 12 years. Healthcare is kinda our thing, so I know tons of people throughout the state in healthcare. Half my family are nurses and doctors in this state. I can say unequivocally that your a purely FOS.

Your version of being denied care is not being seen the next day for an ear ache, so excuse me for not feeling sorry for you.

Uh, reading is fundamental. The patient at Mobile Infirmary was listed HIV positive. He was thrown out of the ER because they didn't want to treat him, and because he couldn't really move well, they physically threw him down in a gutter in 40 degree rain. These are not in dispute. Mobile Infirmary, in pleadings designed to try to avoid any responsibility, argued that he died of AIDS. No idea how they came up with that, seeing as they never treated him and the patient died of exposure related illnesses at the hospital he was transported to after he was found in the gutter 4 hours after being physically thrown out of Mobile Infirmary.

Also not in dispute is that I can't find one single hospice in Mobile that accepts AIDS patients. Can you? How about Tuscaloosa?

My brother died last month in needless pain because we couldn't find one single hospice that would take him. Most of the beds are controlled by one hospice company and they flat out rejected him. He experienced terrible pain as a direct result of that denial.

Exactly, what kind of hospice cannot handle a Gay man, who is bed bound, with a DNR and less than 10 days to live? What medical condition does he have that they cannot handle? Obviously you know that the ONLY reason for a denial is.....they don't want to handle it. BTW, the hospice company, which controls many, if not most, of the hospice beds in the entire state, does NOT have sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy.

The reality is that Gay people in Alabama cannot get even BASIC medical care, much less specialized care.

Tomorrow, I'll probably have to pay a 990 dollar penalty for being Gay. Because there's only a couple PCP's in Houston that are trusted by the LGBT community. That's a pain but I'm one of the few people that can afford such a HUGE surtax for being Gay. Most people just do without care as a result. I'm relatively less disadvantaged than Gay people in Alabama, because there are 2 or 3 PCP doctors that treat Gay people with SUPPORT and dignity. I'm not lucky, as I'm still far more disadvantaged than straight persons, who will NEVER have to pick a PCP that is oversubscribed just to avoid being denied a medically necessary referral because of your sexual orientation.

Again, please let me know the hospices in Alabama that take LGBT patients with HIV. Use those contacts and let me know. I'd love to know what you come up with. We were rejected. Not 'there isn't space', but you can't come here. Even if you paid double what the list price was'.

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Where can Gay people in Alabama die with dignity? Maybe there's one facility in Birmingham that has 10 beds and no availability. If there's anything in Mobile, we were unable to find it.

Reading is fundamental. Nowhere in YOUR link did they mention that the guy was gay or had AIDS at all. Lots of people do just fine living with HIV. I have lots of patients who have it. You equated him being dumped on the street with his HIV status. I'm willing to bet that Mobile Infirmary treats plenty of HIV patients. It's not all that uncommon. I'd much rather treat a HIV patient than a Hep C patient. Hep C is way more contagious.

PCPs don't need to treat gay people with kid gloves. You are the one who has it in your head that there are only 2 doctors in the 4th largest city in the country who treat gays fairly. I'm pretty sure there are more than 2 GAY doctors in Houston, so that claim is bull**** based on simple stats. Hell, there are more than 2 gay docs in my small Alabama town. Gay people get plenty of basic medical care. One of my favorite patients is a flaming homosexual and he's never brought up issues to me, and I see him regularly in my office. Once again, instead of wanting to be treated as an equal, you expect special treatment. Just because you sleep with men doesn't make you special.

Inpatient hospice is rare. I can only think of 1 place in my area of around 100k people that is a inpatient type hospice. Majority of hospice is home based from my limited knowledge.

There are four Gay doctors in Houston that are on BCBS. Two are AIDS only. One charges an annual concierge fee of 1500 bucks to use him. That leaves.....one doctor for 6.000 Gay men in Houston who cannot get employer provided non-Medicare insurance in Texas who are HIV negative.

For my brother, in patient hospice was not appropriate. Actually the 'in home hospice' looks like bull**** in my opinion period for anyone. BTW, even the BS in home hospice people knew that my brother need institutional care. But guess what? Are there any facilities that take HIV positive Gay men in Mobile? I'm not sure there are any of them.

After seeing your views on here, I question if you're a proper arbiter of what is real support for LGBT patients.

In Alabama, a majority of the beds appear to not take Gay men.

My brother had PML and AIDS. He was rejected by the hospice monopoly in Mobile. No care. Even if we offered to pay cash.

Once he was unresponsive, we were unable to revoke his DNR designation to get him admitted to any hospital ER in Mobile. And we were unable to care for him because of his living situation, which was extremely unsuitable.

I have revised my living will to instruct the following:

"Under no circumstances shall I ever agree to remove my insurance benefits to be admitted to the ER/hospital, unless I'm doing so from a hospice bed in one of the five nearest hospices to my residence, with the right to stay there with insurance coverage until my death. It is my strong preference that I be placed in an institutional hospice if I am unable to care for myself and am terminal. My instructions are DNR, but only in an institutional inpatient hospice covered by my insurance policy. Until that time, I want all expenses available under my insurance policy to be used. If my insurance policy doesn't cover that eventually, I authorize and release my medical records to every person on planet Earth in order to facilitate lawsuits. Under no circumstances, if I am unable to make a decision, will I accept any home hospice care treatment"

As far as I can tell, in home hospice means....the insurance company saves 250,000 in costs, and in return they provide you with a 50 dollar bed rental, 10 bucks worth of morphine, and someone to bathe them three times a week. No thanks. Oh wait they promised diversion in case of an emergency...but then couldn't do it because....no one takes Gay people in Alabama.
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(09-02-2017 01:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Well my brother was recently rejected from every hospice we applied to in Mobile. They say 'we can't handle HIV' (although I bet they'll accept any number of contagious diseases that impact white straight persons). He spent one of his last weeks on Earth in terrible pain, in a obscenely unsuitable environment, with no medical care because he couldn't get medical treatment. And if you're detailed as hospice, the insurance company cuts you off from the ER. Please let me know the hospices in Mobile that take HIV positive/Gay persons. I'd love a list. I'd imagine that AIDS Alabama South would probably like a list too.

BTW, there also is a huge problem with getting any medical care in Alabama, if you're perceived to be Gay or have a disease that impacts the Gay community. In Mobile, there's one provider. And they are absolutely unable to cope with the workload. My brother was under 'life and death' level need to get to a HIV specialist. He had to wait weeks.

Here's how HIV positive persons are treated in Alabama. http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/..._dump.html The Mobile Infirmary straight up threw a Gay man, desperately ill with AIDS, in pajamas out of their emergency room, threw him in a puddle on the friggin' street in 40 degree rain and then threw his medicine on top of him, and left him there. He was found 4 hours later. He died of exposure (of course at another hospital - Mobile Infirmary wouldn't treat him). All of this was on security cameras. Criminal charges filed.....ZERO.

Its actually DANGEROUS to be a Gay person in Alabama. Because you can't get medical care. You can't even die with any dignity. In 2017.
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It disproportionately impacts the Gay community. Any comments on the Mobile Infirmary case? Any idea of where a Gay man with AIDS can get life or death treatment in Alabama's second largest metro? How about where they can even die with dignity?

I believe that the horrendous treatment my brother and other AIDS sufferers in Mobile face is the proximate result of hate groups, rightfully called out by the SPLC, furthering discrimination and demonization against Gay persons. The SPLC is vital in Alabama.

The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.

He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.

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(09-01-2017 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As a minority from Alabama, I support the SPLC.
As a minority in the USA, I can understand the need to get money out of the reach of the Trump Administration.

Morris Deas and Mark Potok live under constant threats of violence. I'd rather they get paid less, but I understand it. And they have to live in Alabama. And they have recruit researchers to live in Montgomery. Its a true hardship posting.

And its not like you're raising or donating the money. The SPLC is more of an advocacy/research organization than anything else.

By the way, anyone want to name a specific group labeled a hate group by the SPLC so we can discuss WHY they are named there? I've asked multiple times. All I get from y'all is crickets.

You don't even know when you're being played. This organization is less about civil rights anymore than about keeping liberals money flowing into their accounts. Fact.
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Wait, a person who has less than 10 days to live is better off in an inpatient hospice facility than at home? Why is that? My mother recently died at home surrounded by her family, how would she have been better off not in her own home? Here severe pain and distress was eased by morphine, are you saying your brother's wasn't?
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