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(09-04-2017 05:28 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
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(09-02-2017 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Wait, so AIDS is a gay disease now? You used to argue otherwise.

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It disproportionately impacts the Gay community. Any comments on the Mobile Infirmary case? Any idea of where a Gay man with AIDS can get life or death treatment in Alabama's second largest metro? How about where they can even die with dignity?

I believe that the horrendous treatment my brother and other AIDS sufferers in Mobile face is the proximate result of hate groups, rightfully called out by the SPLC, furthering discrimination and demonization against Gay persons. The SPLC is vital in Alabama.

The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.

He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.

yes....I do....

you're so playing the 'tom' like this cat....it's beyond 'trans'parent....

[Image: tlsNOJ8.gif]

Yeah, I too want to see the video showing ER personnel dumping a rejected patient into the gutter.
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(09-04-2017 08:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 05:28 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:26 PM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  It disproportionately impacts the Gay community. Any comments on the Mobile Infirmary case? Any idea of where a Gay man with AIDS can get life or death treatment in Alabama's second largest metro? How about where they can even die with dignity?

I believe that the horrendous treatment my brother and other AIDS sufferers in Mobile face is the proximate result of hate groups, rightfully called out by the SPLC, furthering discrimination and demonization against Gay persons. The SPLC is vital in Alabama.

The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.

He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.

yes....I do....

you're so playing the 'tom' like this cat....it's beyond 'trans'parent....

[Image: tlsNOJ8.gif]

Yeah, I too want to see the video showing ER personnel dumping a rejected patient into the gutter.

Don't forget about the proof that he was discharged because he had HIV or was even gay at all.
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(09-04-2017 08:24 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Wait, a person who has less than 10 days to live is better off in an inpatient hospice facility than at home? Why is that? My mother recently died at home surrounded by her family, how would she have been better off not in her own home? Here severe pain and distress was eased by morphine, are you saying your brother's wasn't?

My brother's housing situation was very bad. It wasn't a proper place for him to be. It severely impacted his care. It impacted our ability to get sitters or private nurses. The BS 'in home hospice' people promised 'diversion' in case of an emergency, but were unable to provide that.

The morphine didn't work very well for my brother. It helped, but not so much.

The 'in home hospice' people assume that everyone has an extended family of 100 or more people who can take turns caring for a sick relative. Or that a relative who is dying can be just checked on every couple of hours. That wasn't the case with my brother. He had to have someone physically there, awake, watching him 24 hours a day. They also assume a house that isn't falling down around him. For small families, its not just stressful, but damn near impossible.

My house is fine and there'd be no problem getting me sitters. But if I'm not responsive, I'm okay being in a hospice. Once you are unable to move or see a TV, where you are isn't that important.
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here's the video

http://local15tv.com/news/local/hospital...later-died

Dementia is a common part of AIDS, by the way. Mobile Infirmary argued that he had AIDS. Because otherwise they'd have to admit he died of exposure.
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(09-04-2017 11:45 AM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 05:28 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:26 PM)dfarr Wrote:  The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.

He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.

yes....I do....

you're so playing the 'tom' like this cat....it's beyond 'trans'parent....

[Image: tlsNOJ8.gif]

Yeah, I too want to see the video showing ER personnel dumping a rejected patient into the gutter.

Don't forget about the proof that he was discharged because he had HIV or was even gay at all.

how too many have let him 'suc(K)cubus' is another that is beyond my ability to comprehend.....

I gave him a sympathy post for his brother for posterity...it didn't matte (in my mind) ] if he was telling the truth....

he's a troll of the worst kind.....yet, even as an atheist, I'm still human.....

at this point, I'm not sold he's a developmental bot engineered by gts.....
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(09-02-2017 01:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 01:10 PM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As a minority from Alabama, I support the SPLC.
As a minority in the USA, I can understand the need to get money out of the reach of the Trump Administration.

Morris Deas and Mark Potok live under constant threats of violence. I'd rather they get paid less, but I understand it. And they have to live in Alabama. And they have recruit researchers to live in Montgomery. Its a true hardship posting.

And its not like you're raising or donating the money. The SPLC is more of an advocacy/research organization than anything else.

By the way, anyone want to name a specific group labeled a hate group by the SPLC so we can discuss WHY they are named there? I've asked multiple times. All I get from y'all is crickets.

Dude, you're a white male. Who you sleep with doesn't make you a minority.

Living in Alabama is far from a hardship. I have plenty of liberal friends who live here just fine.

Well my brother was recently rejected from every hospice we applied to in Mobile. They say 'we can't handle HIV' (although I bet they'll accept any number of contagious diseases that impact white straight persons). He spent one of his last weeks on Earth in terrible pain, in a obscenely unsuitable environment, with no medical care because he couldn't get medical treatment. And if you're detailed as hospice, the insurance company cuts you off from the ER. Please let me know the hospices in Mobile that take HIV positive/Gay persons. I'd love a list. I'd imagine that AIDS Alabama South would probably like a list too. The hospice group also sat on his application for six days before rejecting him, causing further delays.

BTW, there also is a huge problem with getting any medical care in Alabama, if you're perceived to be Gay or have a disease that impacts the Gay community. In Mobile, there's one provider. And they are absolutely unable to cope with the workload. Before his disease progresed, my brother was under 'life and death' level need to get to a HIV specialist (referred by USA Med Center). He had to wait weeks.

Here's how HIV positive persons are treated in Alabama. http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/..._dump.html The Mobile Infirmary straight up threw a Gay man, desperately ill with AIDS, in pajamas out of their emergency room, threw him in a puddle on the friggin' street in 40 degree rain and then threw his medicine on top of him, and left him there. He was found 4 hours later. He died of exposure (of course at another hospital - Mobile Infirmary wouldn't treat him). All of this was on security cameras. Criminal charges filed.....ZERO.

Its actually DANGEROUS to be a Gay person in Alabama. Because you can't get medical care. You can't even die with any dignity. In 2017.
stop buggering then.

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(09-03-2017 05:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 05:17 PM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:26 PM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  It disproportionately impacts the Gay community. Any comments on the Mobile Infirmary case? Any idea of where a Gay man with AIDS can get life or death treatment in Alabama's second largest metro? How about where they can even die with dignity?

I believe that the horrendous treatment my brother and other AIDS sufferers in Mobile face is the proximate result of hate groups, rightfully called out by the SPLC, furthering discrimination and demonization against Gay persons. The SPLC is vital in Alabama.

The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.

He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.

So you don't know if the guy was gay, had AIDS, or was even there for a gay/HIV related issue, yet you keep on preaching as if you do. Talk about having your head up your ass.

I work in healthcare in Alabama. I went to school with dozens of nurses and physicians. I was either a student or employee at UAB for 12 years. Healthcare is kinda our thing, so I know tons of people throughout the state in healthcare. Half my family are nurses and doctors in this state. I can say unequivocally that your a purely FOS.

Your version of being denied care is not being seen the next day for an ear ache, so excuse me for not feeling sorry for you.

Uh, reading is fundamental. The patient at Mobile Infirmary was listed HIV positive. He was thrown out of the ER because they didn't want to treat him, and because he couldn't really move well, they physically threw him down in a gutter in 40 degree rain. These are not in dispute. Mobile Infirmary, in pleadings designed to try to avoid any responsibility, argued that he died of AIDS. No idea how they came up with that, seeing as they never treated him and the patient died of exposure related illnesses at the hospital he was transported to after he was found in the gutter 4 hours after being physically thrown out of Mobile Infirmary.

Also not in dispute is that I can't find one single hospice in Mobile that accepts AIDS patients. Can you? How about Tuscaloosa?

My brother died last month in needless pain because we couldn't find one single hospice that would take him. Most of the beds are controlled by one hospice company and they flat out rejected him. He experienced terrible pain as a direct result of that denial.

Exactly, what kind of hospice cannot handle a Gay man, who is bed bound, with a DNR and less than 10 days to live? What medical condition does he have that they cannot handle? Obviously you know that the ONLY reason for a denial is.....they don't want to handle it. BTW, the hospice company, which controls many, if not most, of the hospice beds in the entire state, does NOT have sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy.

The reality is that Gay people in Alabama cannot get even BASIC medical care, much less specialized care.

Tomorrow, I'll probably have to pay a 990 dollar penalty for being Gay. Because there's only a couple PCP's in Houston that are trusted by the LGBT community. That's a pain but I'm one of the few people that can afford such a HUGE surtax for being Gay. Most people just do without care as a result. I'm relatively less disadvantaged than Gay people in Alabama, because there are 2 or 3 PCP doctors that treat Gay people with SUPPORT and dignity. I'm not lucky, as I'm still far more disadvantaged than straight persons, who will NEVER have to pick a PCP that is oversubscribed just to avoid being denied a medically necessary referral because of your sexual orientation.

Again, please let me know the hospices in Alabama that take LGBT patients with HIV. Use those contacts and let me know. I'd love to know what you come up with. We were rejected. Not 'there isn't space', but you can't come here. Even if you paid double what the list price was'.

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Where can Gay people in Alabama die with dignity? Maybe there's one facility in Birmingham that has 10 beds and no availability. If there's anything in Mobile, we were unable to find it.

I'm truly and deeply sorry for your loss. Losing a loved one is awful.



Something to think about...

My wife's 95 YO grandmother (GM) had a heart issue and went into hospice.

Some background:
  • My wife home schools our daughter.
  • GM lived two counties away to the west (45 miles / 50 mins).
  • I work a full-time job.

We never considered looking for a hospice facility. We knew she would be most comfortable in her own home. She deserved that comfort and that dignity.

My wife and teen aged daughter would travel to GM's home on Sunday evening with clothes, school books and lesson plans in tow. They lived at her house from Sunday evening to Friday evening. While there they not only had to continue holding school but also take care of GM's needs (eating, bathing, toilet, exercise, medicine, emotional and psychological comfort).

I was alone at home during the Sunday-to-Friday shift taking care of the house after working all day.

On Friday after work I went to GM's and relieved them for the weekend. They were able to go home and rest. During my shift I took care of GM's needs (previously explained).

We only saw each other briefly during shift changes on Friday & Sunday.

We did this in excess of 3 months until she passed away. We were originally told she had 6 months to a year and we had accepted that.

Yes, providing end-of-life care for another person is emotionally and physically draining, but it should be done gladly regardless of whatever sacrifices have to be made.
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(09-04-2017 01:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 05:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 05:17 PM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:26 PM)dfarr Wrote:  The article you linked about Mobile Infirmary didn't mention why the guy went to the hospital or why he was discharged. Him having HIV might have zero to do with it. It also doesn't mention if the guy was even gay. You're taking one fact about this person and assigning his treatment based on that when you have no idea what even happened or why he was there, or if he was even gay. They're are plenty of healthy folks who have HIV. As usual you take one small part of the article and make a bunch of wild assumptions and accusations.

HIV specialists aren't very common. Very few people go into infectious disease specialties. Hell, we have 2 of them where I live and they only have clinic 1 day a week.

He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.

So you don't know if the guy was gay, had AIDS, or was even there for a gay/HIV related issue, yet you keep on preaching as if you do. Talk about having your head up your ass.

I work in healthcare in Alabama. I went to school with dozens of nurses and physicians. I was either a student or employee at UAB for 12 years. Healthcare is kinda our thing, so I know tons of people throughout the state in healthcare. Half my family are nurses and doctors in this state. I can say unequivocally that your a purely FOS.

Your version of being denied care is not being seen the next day for an ear ache, so excuse me for not feeling sorry for you.

Uh, reading is fundamental. The patient at Mobile Infirmary was listed HIV positive. He was thrown out of the ER because they didn't want to treat him, and because he couldn't really move well, they physically threw him down in a gutter in 40 degree rain. These are not in dispute. Mobile Infirmary, in pleadings designed to try to avoid any responsibility, argued that he died of AIDS. No idea how they came up with that, seeing as they never treated him and the patient died of exposure related illnesses at the hospital he was transported to after he was found in the gutter 4 hours after being physically thrown out of Mobile Infirmary.

Also not in dispute is that I can't find one single hospice in Mobile that accepts AIDS patients. Can you? How about Tuscaloosa?

My brother died last month in needless pain because we couldn't find one single hospice that would take him. Most of the beds are controlled by one hospice company and they flat out rejected him. He experienced terrible pain as a direct result of that denial.

Exactly, what kind of hospice cannot handle a Gay man, who is bed bound, with a DNR and less than 10 days to live? What medical condition does he have that they cannot handle? Obviously you know that the ONLY reason for a denial is.....they don't want to handle it. BTW, the hospice company, which controls many, if not most, of the hospice beds in the entire state, does NOT have sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy.

The reality is that Gay people in Alabama cannot get even BASIC medical care, much less specialized care.

Tomorrow, I'll probably have to pay a 990 dollar penalty for being Gay. Because there's only a couple PCP's in Houston that are trusted by the LGBT community. That's a pain but I'm one of the few people that can afford such a HUGE surtax for being Gay. Most people just do without care as a result. I'm relatively less disadvantaged than Gay people in Alabama, because there are 2 or 3 PCP doctors that treat Gay people with SUPPORT and dignity. I'm not lucky, as I'm still far more disadvantaged than straight persons, who will NEVER have to pick a PCP that is oversubscribed just to avoid being denied a medically necessary referral because of your sexual orientation.

Again, please let me know the hospices in Alabama that take LGBT patients with HIV. Use those contacts and let me know. I'd love to know what you come up with. We were rejected. Not 'there isn't space', but you can't come here. Even if you paid double what the list price was'.

----

Where can Gay people in Alabama die with dignity? Maybe there's one facility in Birmingham that has 10 beds and no availability. If there's anything in Mobile, we were unable to find it.

I'm truly and deeply sorry for your loss. Losing a loved one is awful.



Something to think about...

My wife's 95 YO grandmother (GM) had a heart issue and went into hospice.

Some background:
  • My wife home schools our daughter.
  • GM lived two counties away to the west (45 miles / 50 mins).
  • I work a full-time job.

We never considered looking for a hospice facility. We knew she would be most comfortable in her own home. She deserved that comfort and that dignity.

My wife and teen aged daughter would travel to GM's home on Sunday evening with clothes, school books and lesson plans in tow. They lived at her house from Sunday evening to Friday evening. While there they not only had to continue holding school but also take care of GM's needs (eating, bathing, toilet, exercise, medicine, emotional and psychological comfort).

I was alone at home during the Sunday-to-Friday shift taking care of the house after working all day.

On Friday after work I went to GM's and relieved them for the weekend. They were able to go home and rest. During my shift I took care of GM's needs (previously explained).

We only saw each other briefly during shift changes on Friday & Sunday.

We did this in excess of 3 months until she passed away. We were originally told she had 6 months to a year and we had accepted that.

Yes, providing end-of-life care for another person is emotionally and physically draining, but it should be done gladly regardless of whatever sacrifices have to be made.

Oh, I was there even after they found a 'second class' facility to divert him to after TWO WEEKS of grossly inappropriate care. I was there all the time. After my brother's multiple denials of care, I wasn't going to trust anything Alabama around my brother without watching them.

Basically, we had to use our own money to rent an empty room in a nursing home where the BS 'in home hospice' people provided the 50 dollar bed rental, the 10 bucks worth of morphine, and the lady to clean him three times a week. But we still had arguments with the nursing home people who tried to violate the care instructions. They aren't equipped to be a hospice. The hospice wouldn't take us at any price.

I was there 24-7. That's not my issue. My issue is that my brother was denied appropriate care, either because he is a Gay man and/or was dying of an AIDS related ailment.

Some people need hospice care. My brother was one of them. He didn't get it, because he is Gay/suffered from AIDS.

For many Gay men, they don't have extended families. There aren't kids, wives, etc.....it was just me. I have no idea what would have happened if I wasn't there. And I'm terrified about what happens to me now that I don't have any relatives. One person physically cannot do it. Its not possible. You grandmother could have also had sitters too, if needed. My brother's home was so bad that even that was extremely difficult.

You could have moved your grandmother into any hospice. Its different when you know there's not any other solution, and he's being denied care, simply because of bigotry.

I'm glad your grandmother died with dignity. My brother didn't, because he was turned down like yesterday's garbage by the medical community in Alabama. That's what happens to Gay men in Alabama.
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(09-04-2017 02:33 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 01:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 05:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 05:17 PM)dfarr Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  He went to the ER barely able to move. He was thrown out of the ER and dumped in a mud puddle on the side of the hospital because they wouldn't treat him. He had to be carried out because he was unable to walk. Want to see the video of Mobile Infirmary's staff physically throwing him out of the facility because he was unable to physically move?

By the way, I strongly suspect he had a type of pneumonia called PCP, which ER's are extremely reluctant to admit patients for some reason. Heck, a hospital here in Houston (Memorial Hermann Northwest) told someone with PC Pneumonia that he was sick because of a fall. Two days later, he's in the public hospital where he nearly died and spent a month in patient care.

He, like my brother, was refused ANY care. Actually Mobile Infirmary committed manslaughter IMHO and should have had all the responsible parties put in prison. But there's no justice in Alabama. You can violate the law with impunity because no one cares about minorities. Maybe they had to pay some relative 5% of the CEO's salary every once in a while.

And where can persons dying with AIDS in Alabama die with dignity? Given my brother's experience in Mobile - and who denied him, I would expect that Tuscaloosa would be a real problem. Meanwhile persons dying of communicable diseases that don't impact the LGBT community in exceptional numbers get to at least die with dignity. You don't need specialized equipment to care for someone who is on the DNR list who is on hospice with death imminent status.

In Alabama, its actually very dangerous to be LGBT. Getting basic, much less specialized medical care is a real and growing problem. The groups that the SPLC calls out as hate groups are, in my opinion, encouraging this via demonization and advocacy of discrimination against LGBT persons.

In the "In Re Little" case (from Louisiana), here's another case of rampant and systematic denial care to AIDS sufferers. In this case, the person was not dying of AIDS, but simply needed to transferred from a hospital for long term nursing care as a result of being in a coma. In his case, every nursing home within EIGHTY MILES turned him down.

And its not just AIDS. I've been denied care, to my personal detriment by a PCP here in Houston. And I'm HIV negative.

So you don't know if the guy was gay, had AIDS, or was even there for a gay/HIV related issue, yet you keep on preaching as if you do. Talk about having your head up your ass.

I work in healthcare in Alabama. I went to school with dozens of nurses and physicians. I was either a student or employee at UAB for 12 years. Healthcare is kinda our thing, so I know tons of people throughout the state in healthcare. Half my family are nurses and doctors in this state. I can say unequivocally that your a purely FOS.

Your version of being denied care is not being seen the next day for an ear ache, so excuse me for not feeling sorry for you.

Uh, reading is fundamental. The patient at Mobile Infirmary was listed HIV positive. He was thrown out of the ER because they didn't want to treat him, and because he couldn't really move well, they physically threw him down in a gutter in 40 degree rain. These are not in dispute. Mobile Infirmary, in pleadings designed to try to avoid any responsibility, argued that he died of AIDS. No idea how they came up with that, seeing as they never treated him and the patient died of exposure related illnesses at the hospital he was transported to after he was found in the gutter 4 hours after being physically thrown out of Mobile Infirmary.

Also not in dispute is that I can't find one single hospice in Mobile that accepts AIDS patients. Can you? How about Tuscaloosa?

My brother died last month in needless pain because we couldn't find one single hospice that would take him. Most of the beds are controlled by one hospice company and they flat out rejected him. He experienced terrible pain as a direct result of that denial.

Exactly, what kind of hospice cannot handle a Gay man, who is bed bound, with a DNR and less than 10 days to live? What medical condition does he have that they cannot handle? Obviously you know that the ONLY reason for a denial is.....they don't want to handle it. BTW, the hospice company, which controls many, if not most, of the hospice beds in the entire state, does NOT have sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy.

The reality is that Gay people in Alabama cannot get even BASIC medical care, much less specialized care.

Tomorrow, I'll probably have to pay a 990 dollar penalty for being Gay. Because there's only a couple PCP's in Houston that are trusted by the LGBT community. That's a pain but I'm one of the few people that can afford such a HUGE surtax for being Gay. Most people just do without care as a result. I'm relatively less disadvantaged than Gay people in Alabama, because there are 2 or 3 PCP doctors that treat Gay people with SUPPORT and dignity. I'm not lucky, as I'm still far more disadvantaged than straight persons, who will NEVER have to pick a PCP that is oversubscribed just to avoid being denied a medically necessary referral because of your sexual orientation.

Again, please let me know the hospices in Alabama that take LGBT patients with HIV. Use those contacts and let me know. I'd love to know what you come up with. We were rejected. Not 'there isn't space', but you can't come here. Even if you paid double what the list price was'.

----

Where can Gay people in Alabama die with dignity? Maybe there's one facility in Birmingham that has 10 beds and no availability. If there's anything in Mobile, we were unable to find it.

I'm truly and deeply sorry for your loss. Losing a loved one is awful.



Something to think about...

My wife's 95 YO grandmother (GM) had a heart issue and went into hospice.

Some background:
  • My wife home schools our daughter.
  • GM lived two counties away to the west (45 miles / 50 mins).
  • I work a full-time job.

We never considered looking for a hospice facility. We knew she would be most comfortable in her own home. She deserved that comfort and that dignity.

My wife and teen aged daughter would travel to GM's home on Sunday evening with clothes, school books and lesson plans in tow. They lived at her house from Sunday evening to Friday evening. While there they not only had to continue holding school but also take care of GM's needs (eating, bathing, toilet, exercise, medicine, emotional and psychological comfort).

I was alone at home during the Sunday-to-Friday shift taking care of the house after working all day.

On Friday after work I went to GM's and relieved them for the weekend. They were able to go home and rest. During my shift I took care of GM's needs (previously explained).

We only saw each other briefly during shift changes on Friday & Sunday.

We did this in excess of 3 months until she passed away. We were originally told she had 6 months to a year and we had accepted that.

Yes, providing end-of-life care for another person is emotionally and physically draining, but it should be done gladly regardless of whatever sacrifices have to be made.

Oh, I was there even after they found a 'second class' facility to divert him to after TWO WEEKS of grossly inappropriate care. I was there all the time. After my brother's multiple denials of care, I wasn't going to trust anything Alabama around my brother without watching them.

Basically, we had to use our own money to rent an empty room in a nursing home where the BS 'in home hospice' people provided the 50 dollar bed rental, the 10 bucks worth of morphine, and the lady to clean him three times a week. But we still had arguments with the nursing home people who tried to violate the care instructions. They aren't equipped to be a hospice. The hospice wouldn't take us at any price.

I was there 24-7. That's not my issue. My issue is that my brother was denied appropriate care, either because he is a Gay man and/or was dying of an AIDS related ailment.

Some people need hospice care. My brother was one of them. He didn't get it, because he is Gay/suffered from AIDS.

For many Gay men, they don't have extended families. There aren't kids, wives, etc.....it was just me. I have no idea what would have happened if I wasn't there. And I'm terrified about what happens to me now that I don't have any relatives. One person physically cannot do it. Its not possible. You grandmother could have also had sitters too, if needed. My brother's home was so bad that even that was extremely difficult.

You could have moved your grandmother into any hospice. Its different when you know there's not any other solution, and he's being denied care, simply because of bigotry.

I'm glad your grandmother died with dignity. My brother didn't, because he was turned down like yesterday's garbage by the medical community in Alabama. That's what happens to Gay men in Alabama.

We made the decision NOT to move her to a facility. That was never an option.


I understand your point that she was afforded the option while he was discriminated against. If that is truly the case -- and I'm not saying it is or isn't -- then you have an easy-win lawsuit. The media and SJW groups would jump all over it.
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(09-05-2017 10:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 02:33 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 01:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 05:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 05:17 PM)dfarr Wrote:  So you don't know if the guy was gay, had AIDS, or was even there for a gay/HIV related issue, yet you keep on preaching as if you do. Talk about having your head up your ass.

I work in healthcare in Alabama. I went to school with dozens of nurses and physicians. I was either a student or employee at UAB for 12 years. Healthcare is kinda our thing, so I know tons of people throughout the state in healthcare. Half my family are nurses and doctors in this state. I can say unequivocally that your a purely FOS.

Your version of being denied care is not being seen the next day for an ear ache, so excuse me for not feeling sorry for you.

Uh, reading is fundamental. The patient at Mobile Infirmary was listed HIV positive. He was thrown out of the ER because they didn't want to treat him, and because he couldn't really move well, they physically threw him down in a gutter in 40 degree rain. These are not in dispute. Mobile Infirmary, in pleadings designed to try to avoid any responsibility, argued that he died of AIDS. No idea how they came up with that, seeing as they never treated him and the patient died of exposure related illnesses at the hospital he was transported to after he was found in the gutter 4 hours after being physically thrown out of Mobile Infirmary.

Also not in dispute is that I can't find one single hospice in Mobile that accepts AIDS patients. Can you? How about Tuscaloosa?

My brother died last month in needless pain because we couldn't find one single hospice that would take him. Most of the beds are controlled by one hospice company and they flat out rejected him. He experienced terrible pain as a direct result of that denial.

Exactly, what kind of hospice cannot handle a Gay man, who is bed bound, with a DNR and less than 10 days to live? What medical condition does he have that they cannot handle? Obviously you know that the ONLY reason for a denial is.....they don't want to handle it. BTW, the hospice company, which controls many, if not most, of the hospice beds in the entire state, does NOT have sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy.

The reality is that Gay people in Alabama cannot get even BASIC medical care, much less specialized care.

Tomorrow, I'll probably have to pay a 990 dollar penalty for being Gay. Because there's only a couple PCP's in Houston that are trusted by the LGBT community. That's a pain but I'm one of the few people that can afford such a HUGE surtax for being Gay. Most people just do without care as a result. I'm relatively less disadvantaged than Gay people in Alabama, because there are 2 or 3 PCP doctors that treat Gay people with SUPPORT and dignity. I'm not lucky, as I'm still far more disadvantaged than straight persons, who will NEVER have to pick a PCP that is oversubscribed just to avoid being denied a medically necessary referral because of your sexual orientation.

Again, please let me know the hospices in Alabama that take LGBT patients with HIV. Use those contacts and let me know. I'd love to know what you come up with. We were rejected. Not 'there isn't space', but you can't come here. Even if you paid double what the list price was'.

----

Where can Gay people in Alabama die with dignity? Maybe there's one facility in Birmingham that has 10 beds and no availability. If there's anything in Mobile, we were unable to find it.

I'm truly and deeply sorry for your loss. Losing a loved one is awful.



Something to think about...

My wife's 95 YO grandmother (GM) had a heart issue and went into hospice.

Some background:
  • My wife home schools our daughter.
  • GM lived two counties away to the west (45 miles / 50 mins).
  • I work a full-time job.

We never considered looking for a hospice facility. We knew she would be most comfortable in her own home. She deserved that comfort and that dignity.

My wife and teen aged daughter would travel to GM's home on Sunday evening with clothes, school books and lesson plans in tow. They lived at her house from Sunday evening to Friday evening. While there they not only had to continue holding school but also take care of GM's needs (eating, bathing, toilet, exercise, medicine, emotional and psychological comfort).

I was alone at home during the Sunday-to-Friday shift taking care of the house after working all day.

On Friday after work I went to GM's and relieved them for the weekend. They were able to go home and rest. During my shift I took care of GM's needs (previously explained).

We only saw each other briefly during shift changes on Friday & Sunday.

We did this in excess of 3 months until she passed away. We were originally told she had 6 months to a year and we had accepted that.

Yes, providing end-of-life care for another person is emotionally and physically draining, but it should be done gladly regardless of whatever sacrifices have to be made.

Oh, I was there even after they found a 'second class' facility to divert him to after TWO WEEKS of grossly inappropriate care. I was there all the time. After my brother's multiple denials of care, I wasn't going to trust anything Alabama around my brother without watching them.

Basically, we had to use our own money to rent an empty room in a nursing home where the BS 'in home hospice' people provided the 50 dollar bed rental, the 10 bucks worth of morphine, and the lady to clean him three times a week. But we still had arguments with the nursing home people who tried to violate the care instructions. They aren't equipped to be a hospice. The hospice wouldn't take us at any price.

I was there 24-7. That's not my issue. My issue is that my brother was denied appropriate care, either because he is a Gay man and/or was dying of an AIDS related ailment.

Some people need hospice care. My brother was one of them. He didn't get it, because he is Gay/suffered from AIDS.

For many Gay men, they don't have extended families. There aren't kids, wives, etc.....it was just me. I have no idea what would have happened if I wasn't there. And I'm terrified about what happens to me now that I don't have any relatives. One person physically cannot do it. Its not possible. You grandmother could have also had sitters too, if needed. My brother's home was so bad that even that was extremely difficult.

You could have moved your grandmother into any hospice. Its different when you know there's not any other solution, and he's being denied care, simply because of bigotry.

I'm glad your grandmother died with dignity. My brother didn't, because he was turned down like yesterday's garbage by the medical community in Alabama. That's what happens to Gay men in Alabama.

We made the decision NOT to move her to a facility. That was never an option.


I understand your point that she was afforded the option while he was discriminated against. If that is truly the case -- and I'm not saying it is or isn't -- then you have an easy-win lawsuit. The media and SJW groups would jump all over it.

Under what grounds? It is LEGAL to discriminate in Alabama. The hospice monopoly specifically excludes sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy for a reason. I'll probably sue, or at least try to get their licenses revoked or cause them more scrutiny when they attempt to extend their monopoly to more areas. What I really want is the medical license of the doctor who reviewed my brother's file.
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(09-05-2017 02:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 02:33 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 01:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 05:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Uh, reading is fundamental. The patient at Mobile Infirmary was listed HIV positive. He was thrown out of the ER because they didn't want to treat him, and because he couldn't really move well, they physically threw him down in a gutter in 40 degree rain. These are not in dispute. Mobile Infirmary, in pleadings designed to try to avoid any responsibility, argued that he died of AIDS. No idea how they came up with that, seeing as they never treated him and the patient died of exposure related illnesses at the hospital he was transported to after he was found in the gutter 4 hours after being physically thrown out of Mobile Infirmary.

Also not in dispute is that I can't find one single hospice in Mobile that accepts AIDS patients. Can you? How about Tuscaloosa?

My brother died last month in needless pain because we couldn't find one single hospice that would take him. Most of the beds are controlled by one hospice company and they flat out rejected him. He experienced terrible pain as a direct result of that denial.

Exactly, what kind of hospice cannot handle a Gay man, who is bed bound, with a DNR and less than 10 days to live? What medical condition does he have that they cannot handle? Obviously you know that the ONLY reason for a denial is.....they don't want to handle it. BTW, the hospice company, which controls many, if not most, of the hospice beds in the entire state, does NOT have sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy.

The reality is that Gay people in Alabama cannot get even BASIC medical care, much less specialized care.

Tomorrow, I'll probably have to pay a 990 dollar penalty for being Gay. Because there's only a couple PCP's in Houston that are trusted by the LGBT community. That's a pain but I'm one of the few people that can afford such a HUGE surtax for being Gay. Most people just do without care as a result. I'm relatively less disadvantaged than Gay people in Alabama, because there are 2 or 3 PCP doctors that treat Gay people with SUPPORT and dignity. I'm not lucky, as I'm still far more disadvantaged than straight persons, who will NEVER have to pick a PCP that is oversubscribed just to avoid being denied a medically necessary referral because of your sexual orientation.

Again, please let me know the hospices in Alabama that take LGBT patients with HIV. Use those contacts and let me know. I'd love to know what you come up with. We were rejected. Not 'there isn't space', but you can't come here. Even if you paid double what the list price was'.

----

Where can Gay people in Alabama die with dignity? Maybe there's one facility in Birmingham that has 10 beds and no availability. If there's anything in Mobile, we were unable to find it.

I'm truly and deeply sorry for your loss. Losing a loved one is awful.



Something to think about...

My wife's 95 YO grandmother (GM) had a heart issue and went into hospice.

Some background:
  • My wife home schools our daughter.
  • GM lived two counties away to the west (45 miles / 50 mins).
  • I work a full-time job.

We never considered looking for a hospice facility. We knew she would be most comfortable in her own home. She deserved that comfort and that dignity.

My wife and teen aged daughter would travel to GM's home on Sunday evening with clothes, school books and lesson plans in tow. They lived at her house from Sunday evening to Friday evening. While there they not only had to continue holding school but also take care of GM's needs (eating, bathing, toilet, exercise, medicine, emotional and psychological comfort).

I was alone at home during the Sunday-to-Friday shift taking care of the house after working all day.

On Friday after work I went to GM's and relieved them for the weekend. They were able to go home and rest. During my shift I took care of GM's needs (previously explained).

We only saw each other briefly during shift changes on Friday & Sunday.

We did this in excess of 3 months until she passed away. We were originally told she had 6 months to a year and we had accepted that.

Yes, providing end-of-life care for another person is emotionally and physically draining, but it should be done gladly regardless of whatever sacrifices have to be made.

Oh, I was there even after they found a 'second class' facility to divert him to after TWO WEEKS of grossly inappropriate care. I was there all the time. After my brother's multiple denials of care, I wasn't going to trust anything Alabama around my brother without watching them.

Basically, we had to use our own money to rent an empty room in a nursing home where the BS 'in home hospice' people provided the 50 dollar bed rental, the 10 bucks worth of morphine, and the lady to clean him three times a week. But we still had arguments with the nursing home people who tried to violate the care instructions. They aren't equipped to be a hospice. The hospice wouldn't take us at any price.

I was there 24-7. That's not my issue. My issue is that my brother was denied appropriate care, either because he is a Gay man and/or was dying of an AIDS related ailment.

Some people need hospice care. My brother was one of them. He didn't get it, because he is Gay/suffered from AIDS.

For many Gay men, they don't have extended families. There aren't kids, wives, etc.....it was just me. I have no idea what would have happened if I wasn't there. And I'm terrified about what happens to me now that I don't have any relatives. One person physically cannot do it. Its not possible. You grandmother could have also had sitters too, if needed. My brother's home was so bad that even that was extremely difficult.

You could have moved your grandmother into any hospice. Its different when you know there's not any other solution, and he's being denied care, simply because of bigotry.

I'm glad your grandmother died with dignity. My brother didn't, because he was turned down like yesterday's garbage by the medical community in Alabama. That's what happens to Gay men in Alabama.

We made the decision NOT to move her to a facility. That was never an option.


I understand your point that she was afforded the option while he was discriminated against. If that is truly the case -- and I'm not saying it is or isn't -- then you have an easy-win lawsuit. The media and SJW groups would jump all over it.

Under what grounds? It is LEGAL to discriminate in Alabama. The hospice monopoly specifically excludes sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy for a reason. I'll probably sue, or at least try to get their licenses revoked or cause them more scrutiny when they attempt to extend their monopoly to more areas. What I really want is the medical license of the doctor who reviewed my brother's file.

yeah, but what I really want is the medical license of the doctor that released you.
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(09-05-2017 02:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 02:33 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 01:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 05:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Uh, reading is fundamental. The patient at Mobile Infirmary was listed HIV positive. He was thrown out of the ER because they didn't want to treat him, and because he couldn't really move well, they physically threw him down in a gutter in 40 degree rain. These are not in dispute. Mobile Infirmary, in pleadings designed to try to avoid any responsibility, argued that he died of AIDS. No idea how they came up with that, seeing as they never treated him and the patient died of exposure related illnesses at the hospital he was transported to after he was found in the gutter 4 hours after being physically thrown out of Mobile Infirmary.

Also not in dispute is that I can't find one single hospice in Mobile that accepts AIDS patients. Can you? How about Tuscaloosa?

My brother died last month in needless pain because we couldn't find one single hospice that would take him. Most of the beds are controlled by one hospice company and they flat out rejected him. He experienced terrible pain as a direct result of that denial.

Exactly, what kind of hospice cannot handle a Gay man, who is bed bound, with a DNR and less than 10 days to live? What medical condition does he have that they cannot handle? Obviously you know that the ONLY reason for a denial is.....they don't want to handle it. BTW, the hospice company, which controls many, if not most, of the hospice beds in the entire state, does NOT have sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy.

The reality is that Gay people in Alabama cannot get even BASIC medical care, much less specialized care.

Tomorrow, I'll probably have to pay a 990 dollar penalty for being Gay. Because there's only a couple PCP's in Houston that are trusted by the LGBT community. That's a pain but I'm one of the few people that can afford such a HUGE surtax for being Gay. Most people just do without care as a result. I'm relatively less disadvantaged than Gay people in Alabama, because there are 2 or 3 PCP doctors that treat Gay people with SUPPORT and dignity. I'm not lucky, as I'm still far more disadvantaged than straight persons, who will NEVER have to pick a PCP that is oversubscribed just to avoid being denied a medically necessary referral because of your sexual orientation.

Again, please let me know the hospices in Alabama that take LGBT patients with HIV. Use those contacts and let me know. I'd love to know what you come up with. We were rejected. Not 'there isn't space', but you can't come here. Even if you paid double what the list price was'.

----

Where can Gay people in Alabama die with dignity? Maybe there's one facility in Birmingham that has 10 beds and no availability. If there's anything in Mobile, we were unable to find it.

I'm truly and deeply sorry for your loss. Losing a loved one is awful.



Something to think about...

My wife's 95 YO grandmother (GM) had a heart issue and went into hospice.

Some background:
  • My wife home schools our daughter.
  • GM lived two counties away to the west (45 miles / 50 mins).
  • I work a full-time job.

We never considered looking for a hospice facility. We knew she would be most comfortable in her own home. She deserved that comfort and that dignity.

My wife and teen aged daughter would travel to GM's home on Sunday evening with clothes, school books and lesson plans in tow. They lived at her house from Sunday evening to Friday evening. While there they not only had to continue holding school but also take care of GM's needs (eating, bathing, toilet, exercise, medicine, emotional and psychological comfort).

I was alone at home during the Sunday-to-Friday shift taking care of the house after working all day.

On Friday after work I went to GM's and relieved them for the weekend. They were able to go home and rest. During my shift I took care of GM's needs (previously explained).

We only saw each other briefly during shift changes on Friday & Sunday.

We did this in excess of 3 months until she passed away. We were originally told she had 6 months to a year and we had accepted that.

Yes, providing end-of-life care for another person is emotionally and physically draining, but it should be done gladly regardless of whatever sacrifices have to be made.

Oh, I was there even after they found a 'second class' facility to divert him to after TWO WEEKS of grossly inappropriate care. I was there all the time. After my brother's multiple denials of care, I wasn't going to trust anything Alabama around my brother without watching them.

Basically, we had to use our own money to rent an empty room in a nursing home where the BS 'in home hospice' people provided the 50 dollar bed rental, the 10 bucks worth of morphine, and the lady to clean him three times a week. But we still had arguments with the nursing home people who tried to violate the care instructions. They aren't equipped to be a hospice. The hospice wouldn't take us at any price.

I was there 24-7. That's not my issue. My issue is that my brother was denied appropriate care, either because he is a Gay man and/or was dying of an AIDS related ailment.

Some people need hospice care. My brother was one of them. He didn't get it, because he is Gay/suffered from AIDS.

For many Gay men, they don't have extended families. There aren't kids, wives, etc.....it was just me. I have no idea what would have happened if I wasn't there. And I'm terrified about what happens to me now that I don't have any relatives. One person physically cannot do it. Its not possible. You grandmother could have also had sitters too, if needed. My brother's home was so bad that even that was extremely difficult.

You could have moved your grandmother into any hospice. Its different when you know there's not any other solution, and he's being denied care, simply because of bigotry.

I'm glad your grandmother died with dignity. My brother didn't, because he was turned down like yesterday's garbage by the medical community in Alabama. That's what happens to Gay men in Alabama.

We made the decision NOT to move her to a facility. That was never an option.


I understand your point that she was afforded the option while he was discriminated against. If that is truly the case -- and I'm not saying it is or isn't -- then you have an easy-win lawsuit. The media and SJW groups would jump all over it.

Under what grounds? It is LEGAL to discriminate in Alabama. The hospice monopoly specifically excludes sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy for a reason. I'll probably sue, or at least try to get their licenses revoked or cause them more scrutiny when they attempt to extend their monopoly to more areas. What I really want is the medical license of the doctor who reviewed my brother's file.

I would venture to say states can't bypass anti-discrimination laws.

I think there's even been a few SCOTUS rulings on that.
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(09-06-2017 09:14 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 02:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 02:33 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 01:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I'm truly and deeply sorry for your loss. Losing a loved one is awful.



Something to think about...

My wife's 95 YO grandmother (GM) had a heart issue and went into hospice.

Some background:
  • My wife home schools our daughter.
  • GM lived two counties away to the west (45 miles / 50 mins).
  • I work a full-time job.

We never considered looking for a hospice facility. We knew she would be most comfortable in her own home. She deserved that comfort and that dignity.

My wife and teen aged daughter would travel to GM's home on Sunday evening with clothes, school books and lesson plans in tow. They lived at her house from Sunday evening to Friday evening. While there they not only had to continue holding school but also take care of GM's needs (eating, bathing, toilet, exercise, medicine, emotional and psychological comfort).

I was alone at home during the Sunday-to-Friday shift taking care of the house after working all day.

On Friday after work I went to GM's and relieved them for the weekend. They were able to go home and rest. During my shift I took care of GM's needs (previously explained).

We only saw each other briefly during shift changes on Friday & Sunday.

We did this in excess of 3 months until she passed away. We were originally told she had 6 months to a year and we had accepted that.

Yes, providing end-of-life care for another person is emotionally and physically draining, but it should be done gladly regardless of whatever sacrifices have to be made.

Oh, I was there even after they found a 'second class' facility to divert him to after TWO WEEKS of grossly inappropriate care. I was there all the time. After my brother's multiple denials of care, I wasn't going to trust anything Alabama around my brother without watching them.

Basically, we had to use our own money to rent an empty room in a nursing home where the BS 'in home hospice' people provided the 50 dollar bed rental, the 10 bucks worth of morphine, and the lady to clean him three times a week. But we still had arguments with the nursing home people who tried to violate the care instructions. They aren't equipped to be a hospice. The hospice wouldn't take us at any price.

I was there 24-7. That's not my issue. My issue is that my brother was denied appropriate care, either because he is a Gay man and/or was dying of an AIDS related ailment.

Some people need hospice care. My brother was one of them. He didn't get it, because he is Gay/suffered from AIDS.

For many Gay men, they don't have extended families. There aren't kids, wives, etc.....it was just me. I have no idea what would have happened if I wasn't there. And I'm terrified about what happens to me now that I don't have any relatives. One person physically cannot do it. Its not possible. You grandmother could have also had sitters too, if needed. My brother's home was so bad that even that was extremely difficult.

You could have moved your grandmother into any hospice. Its different when you know there's not any other solution, and he's being denied care, simply because of bigotry.

I'm glad your grandmother died with dignity. My brother didn't, because he was turned down like yesterday's garbage by the medical community in Alabama. That's what happens to Gay men in Alabama.

We made the decision NOT to move her to a facility. That was never an option.


I understand your point that she was afforded the option while he was discriminated against. If that is truly the case -- and I'm not saying it is or isn't -- then you have an easy-win lawsuit. The media and SJW groups would jump all over it.

Under what grounds? It is LEGAL to discriminate in Alabama. The hospice monopoly specifically excludes sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy for a reason. I'll probably sue, or at least try to get their licenses revoked or cause them more scrutiny when they attempt to extend their monopoly to more areas. What I really want is the medical license of the doctor who reviewed my brother's file.

I would venture to say states can't bypass anti-discrimination laws.

I think there's even been a few SCOTUS rulings on that.

Ok, then help me out here...under what grounds can I sue the hospice for denying my brother, as they claim 'they can't handle HIV'? Even if they can handle any number of contagious diseases (although it wouldn't surprise me if they also couldn't handle sickle cell).
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(09-06-2017 10:48 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 09:14 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 02:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 02:33 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Oh, I was there even after they found a 'second class' facility to divert him to after TWO WEEKS of grossly inappropriate care. I was there all the time. After my brother's multiple denials of care, I wasn't going to trust anything Alabama around my brother without watching them.

Basically, we had to use our own money to rent an empty room in a nursing home where the BS 'in home hospice' people provided the 50 dollar bed rental, the 10 bucks worth of morphine, and the lady to clean him three times a week. But we still had arguments with the nursing home people who tried to violate the care instructions. They aren't equipped to be a hospice. The hospice wouldn't take us at any price.

I was there 24-7. That's not my issue. My issue is that my brother was denied appropriate care, either because he is a Gay man and/or was dying of an AIDS related ailment.

Some people need hospice care. My brother was one of them. He didn't get it, because he is Gay/suffered from AIDS.

For many Gay men, they don't have extended families. There aren't kids, wives, etc.....it was just me. I have no idea what would have happened if I wasn't there. And I'm terrified about what happens to me now that I don't have any relatives. One person physically cannot do it. Its not possible. You grandmother could have also had sitters too, if needed. My brother's home was so bad that even that was extremely difficult.

You could have moved your grandmother into any hospice. Its different when you know there's not any other solution, and he's being denied care, simply because of bigotry.

I'm glad your grandmother died with dignity. My brother didn't, because he was turned down like yesterday's garbage by the medical community in Alabama. That's what happens to Gay men in Alabama.

We made the decision NOT to move her to a facility. That was never an option.


I understand your point that she was afforded the option while he was discriminated against. If that is truly the case -- and I'm not saying it is or isn't -- then you have an easy-win lawsuit. The media and SJW groups would jump all over it.

Under what grounds? It is LEGAL to discriminate in Alabama. The hospice monopoly specifically excludes sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy for a reason. I'll probably sue, or at least try to get their licenses revoked or cause them more scrutiny when they attempt to extend their monopoly to more areas. What I really want is the medical license of the doctor who reviewed my brother's file.

I would venture to say states can't bypass anti-discrimination laws.

I think there's even been a few SCOTUS rulings on that.

Ok, then help me out here...under what grounds can I sue the hospice for denying my brother, as they claim 'they can't handle HIV'? Even if they can handle any number of contagious diseases (although it wouldn't surprise me if they also couldn't handle sickle cell).

As I survey my life up to this point I've often wished that I would have studied law in college. As it is, though, I didn't.

I can't help you with the legal issue other than to contact an attorney, or organization, that deals with these types of matters.

Wouldn't the ACLU know what to do?



I've followed the ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice) headed by Jay Sekulow (yes, Trump's private attorney and also a Messianic Jew) over the years and came to understand that these types of legal watchdog organizations are networked with others.

Contact one and you might get pointed to someone that can help.

So, reach out to the local ACLU group or ACLU-affiliated attorney and see what they say.
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(09-05-2017 02:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 02:33 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 01:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 05:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Uh, reading is fundamental. The patient at Mobile Infirmary was listed HIV positive. He was thrown out of the ER because they didn't want to treat him, and because he couldn't really move well, they physically threw him down in a gutter in 40 degree rain. These are not in dispute. Mobile Infirmary, in pleadings designed to try to avoid any responsibility, argued that he died of AIDS. No idea how they came up with that, seeing as they never treated him and the patient died of exposure related illnesses at the hospital he was transported to after he was found in the gutter 4 hours after being physically thrown out of Mobile Infirmary.

Also not in dispute is that I can't find one single hospice in Mobile that accepts AIDS patients. Can you? How about Tuscaloosa?

My brother died last month in needless pain because we couldn't find one single hospice that would take him. Most of the beds are controlled by one hospice company and they flat out rejected him. He experienced terrible pain as a direct result of that denial.

Exactly, what kind of hospice cannot handle a Gay man, who is bed bound, with a DNR and less than 10 days to live? What medical condition does he have that they cannot handle? Obviously you know that the ONLY reason for a denial is.....they don't want to handle it. BTW, the hospice company, which controls many, if not most, of the hospice beds in the entire state, does NOT have sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy.

The reality is that Gay people in Alabama cannot get even BASIC medical care, much less specialized care.

Tomorrow, I'll probably have to pay a 990 dollar penalty for being Gay. Because there's only a couple PCP's in Houston that are trusted by the LGBT community. That's a pain but I'm one of the few people that can afford such a HUGE surtax for being Gay. Most people just do without care as a result. I'm relatively less disadvantaged than Gay people in Alabama, because there are 2 or 3 PCP doctors that treat Gay people with SUPPORT and dignity. I'm not lucky, as I'm still far more disadvantaged than straight persons, who will NEVER have to pick a PCP that is oversubscribed just to avoid being denied a medically necessary referral because of your sexual orientation.

Again, please let me know the hospices in Alabama that take LGBT patients with HIV. Use those contacts and let me know. I'd love to know what you come up with. We were rejected. Not 'there isn't space', but you can't come here. Even if you paid double what the list price was'.

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Where can Gay people in Alabama die with dignity? Maybe there's one facility in Birmingham that has 10 beds and no availability. If there's anything in Mobile, we were unable to find it.

I'm truly and deeply sorry for your loss. Losing a loved one is awful.



Something to think about...

My wife's 95 YO grandmother (GM) had a heart issue and went into hospice.

Some background:
  • My wife home schools our daughter.
  • GM lived two counties away to the west (45 miles / 50 mins).
  • I work a full-time job.

We never considered looking for a hospice facility. We knew she would be most comfortable in her own home. She deserved that comfort and that dignity.

My wife and teen aged daughter would travel to GM's home on Sunday evening with clothes, school books and lesson plans in tow. They lived at her house from Sunday evening to Friday evening. While there they not only had to continue holding school but also take care of GM's needs (eating, bathing, toilet, exercise, medicine, emotional and psychological comfort).

I was alone at home during the Sunday-to-Friday shift taking care of the house after working all day.

On Friday after work I went to GM's and relieved them for the weekend. They were able to go home and rest. During my shift I took care of GM's needs (previously explained).

We only saw each other briefly during shift changes on Friday & Sunday.

We did this in excess of 3 months until she passed away. We were originally told she had 6 months to a year and we had accepted that.

Yes, providing end-of-life care for another person is emotionally and physically draining, but it should be done gladly regardless of whatever sacrifices have to be made.

Oh, I was there even after they found a 'second class' facility to divert him to after TWO WEEKS of grossly inappropriate care. I was there all the time. After my brother's multiple denials of care, I wasn't going to trust anything Alabama around my brother without watching them.

Basically, we had to use our own money to rent an empty room in a nursing home where the BS 'in home hospice' people provided the 50 dollar bed rental, the 10 bucks worth of morphine, and the lady to clean him three times a week. But we still had arguments with the nursing home people who tried to violate the care instructions. They aren't equipped to be a hospice. The hospice wouldn't take us at any price.

I was there 24-7. That's not my issue. My issue is that my brother was denied appropriate care, either because he is a Gay man and/or was dying of an AIDS related ailment.

Some people need hospice care. My brother was one of them. He didn't get it, because he is Gay/suffered from AIDS.

For many Gay men, they don't have extended families. There aren't kids, wives, etc.....it was just me. I have no idea what would have happened if I wasn't there. And I'm terrified about what happens to me now that I don't have any relatives. One person physically cannot do it. Its not possible. You grandmother could have also had sitters too, if needed. My brother's home was so bad that even that was extremely difficult.

You could have moved your grandmother into any hospice. Its different when you know there's not any other solution, and he's being denied care, simply because of bigotry.

I'm glad your grandmother died with dignity. My brother didn't, because he was turned down like yesterday's garbage by the medical community in Alabama. That's what happens to Gay men in Alabama.

We made the decision NOT to move her to a facility. That was never an option.


I understand your point that she was afforded the option while he was discriminated against. If that is truly the case -- and I'm not saying it is or isn't -- then you have an easy-win lawsuit. The media and SJW groups would jump all over it.

Under what grounds? It is LEGAL to discriminate in Alabama. The hospice monopoly specifically excludes sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policy for a reason. I'll probably sue, or at least try to get their licenses revoked or cause them more scrutiny when they attempt to extend their monopoly to more areas. What I really want is the medical license of the doctor who reviewed my brother's file.

you can go on and on and on.......

but at some point, the obvious question needs to be asked.....

why in THEE HELL do you continue to live in bammers?

dat-a-make-a-noah-sense...
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