(09-01-2017 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As a minority from Alabama, I support the SPLC.
As a minority in the USA, I can understand the need to get money out of the reach of the Trump Administration.

Morris Deas and Mark Potok live under constant threats of violence. I'd rather they get paid less, but I understand it. And they have to live in Alabama. And they have recruit researchers to live in Montgomery. Its a true hardship posting.

And its not like you're raising or donating the money. The SPLC is more of an advocacy/research organization than anything else.

By the way, anyone want to name a specific group labeled a hate group by the SPLC so we can discuss WHY they are named there? I've asked multiple times. All I get from y'all is crickets.

(09-01-2017 12:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As a minority from Alabama, I support the SPLC.
As a minority in the USA, I can understand the need to get money out of the reach of the Trump Administration.

Morris Deas and Mark Potok live under constant threats of violence. I'd rather they get paid less, but I understand it. And they have to live in Alabama. And they have recruit researchers to live in Montgomery. Its a true hardship posting.

And its not like you're raising or donating the money. The SPLC is more of an advocacy/research organization than anything else.

By the way, anyone want to name a specific group labeled a hate group by the SPLC so we can discuss WHY they are named there? I've asked multiple times. All I get from y'all is crickets.

Unless you can provide an objective definition of "Hate Group" then the SPLC's definition -- and yours -- is purely subjective.

You can guess some of the groups I would name and proceed to rationalize their inclusion based solely on opinion which would make your request an exercise in futility.

(09-01-2017 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As a minority from Alabama, I support the SPLC.
As a minority in the USA, I can understand the need to get money out of the reach of the Trump Administration.

Morris Deas and Mark Potok live under constant threats of violence. I'd rather they get paid less, but I understand it. And they have to live in Alabama. And they have recruit researchers to live in Montgomery. Its a true hardship posting.

And its not like you're raising or donating the money. The SPLC is more of an advocacy/research organization than anything else.

By the way, anyone want to name a specific group labeled a hate group by the SPLC so we can discuss WHY they are named there? I've asked multiple times. All I get from y'all is crickets.

(09-01-2017 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As a minority from Alabama, I support the SPLC.
As a minority in the USA, I can understand the need to get money out of the reach of the Trump Administration.

Morris Deas and Mark Potok live under constant threats of violence. I'd rather they get paid less, but I understand it. And they have to live in Alabama. And they have recruit researchers to live in Montgomery. Its a true hardship posting.

And its not like you're raising or donating the money. The SPLC is more of an advocacy/research organization than anything else.

By the way, anyone want to name a specific group labeled a hate group by the SPLC so we can discuss WHY they are named there? I've asked multiple times. All I get from y'all is crickets.

(09-01-2017 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 12:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As a minority from Alabama, I support the SPLC.
As a minority in the USA, I can understand the need to get money out of the reach of the Trump Administration.

Morris Deas and Mark Potok live under constant threats of violence. I'd rather they get paid less, but I understand it. And they have to live in Alabama. And they have recruit researchers to live in Montgomery. Its a true hardship posting.

And its not like you're raising or donating the money. The SPLC is more of an advocacy/research organization than anything else.

By the way, anyone want to name a specific group labeled a hate group by the SPLC so we can discuss WHY they are named there? I've asked multiple times. All I get from y'all is crickets.

Unless you can provide an objective definition of "Hate Group" then the SPLC's definition -- and yours -- is purely subjective.

You can guess some of the groups I would name and proceed to rationalize their inclusion based solely on opinion which would make your request an exercise in futility.

Again, you're the ones complaining that the SPLC incorrectly names hate groups. I asked you for a specific example of them labelling someone incorrectly.

(09-01-2017 01:10 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As a minority from Alabama, I support the SPLC.
As a minority in the USA, I can understand the need to get money out of the reach of the Trump Administration.

Morris Deas and Mark Potok live under constant threats of violence. I'd rather they get paid less, but I understand it. And they have to live in Alabama. And they have recruit researchers to live in Montgomery. Its a true hardship posting.

And its not like you're raising or donating the money. The SPLC is more of an advocacy/research organization than anything else.

By the way, anyone want to name a specific group labeled a hate group by the SPLC so we can discuss WHY they are named there? I've asked multiple times. All I get from y'all is crickets.

Dude, you're a white male. Who you sleep with doesn't make you a minority.

Living in Alabama is far from a hardship. I have plenty of liberal friends who live here just fine.

(09-02-2017 01:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 01:10 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As a minority from Alabama, I support the SPLC.
As a minority in the USA, I can understand the need to get money out of the reach of the Trump Administration.

Morris Deas and Mark Potok live under constant threats of violence. I'd rather they get paid less, but I understand it. And they have to live in Alabama. And they have recruit researchers to live in Montgomery. Its a true hardship posting.

And its not like you're raising or donating the money. The SPLC is more of an advocacy/research organization than anything else.

By the way, anyone want to name a specific group labeled a hate group by the SPLC so we can discuss WHY they are named there? I've asked multiple times. All I get from y'all is crickets.

Dude, you're a white male. Who you sleep with doesn't make you a minority.

Living in Alabama is far from a hardship. I have plenty of liberal friends who live here just fine.

Well my brother was recently rejected from every hospice we applied to in Mobile. They say 'we can't handle HIV' (although I bet they'll accept any number of contagious diseases that impact white straight persons). He spent one of his last weeks on Earth in terrible pain, in a obscenely unsuitable environment, with no medical care because he couldn't get medical treatment. And if you're detailed as hospice, the insurance company cuts you off from the ER. Please let me know the hospices in Mobile that take HIV positive/Gay persons. I'd love a list. I'd imagine that AIDS Alabama South would probably like a list too.

BTW, there also is a huge problem with getting any medical care in Alabama, if you're perceived to be Gay or have a disease that impacts the Gay community. In Mobile, there's one provider. And they are absolutely unable to cope with the workload. My brother was under 'life and death' level need to get to a HIV specialist. He had to wait weeks.

Here's how HIV positive persons are treated in Alabama. http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2016/10/the_family_of_hiv-patient_dump.html The Mobile Infirmary straight up threw a Gay man, desperately ill with AIDS, in pajamas out of their emergency room, threw him in a puddle on the friggin' street in 40 degree rain and then threw his medicine on top of him, and left him there. He was found 4 hours later. He died of exposure (of course at another hospital - Mobile Infirmary wouldn't treat him). All of this was on security cameras. Criminal charges filed.....ZERO.

Its actually DANGEROUS to be a Gay person in Alabama. Because you can't get medical care. You can't even die with any dignity. In 2017.

(09-02-2017 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 01:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 01:10 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(09-01-2017 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  As a minority from Alabama, I support the SPLC.
As a minority in the USA, I can understand the need to get money out of the reach of the Trump Administration.

Morris Deas and Mark Potok live under constant threats of violence. I'd rather they get paid less, but I understand it. And they have to live in Alabama. And they have recruit researchers to live in Montgomery. Its a true hardship posting.

And its not like you're raising or donating the money. The SPLC is more of an advocacy/research organization than anything else.

By the way, anyone want to name a specific group labeled a hate group by the SPLC so we can discuss WHY they are named there? I've asked multiple times. All I get from y'all is crickets.

Dude, you're a white male. Who you sleep with doesn't make you a minority.

Living in Alabama is far from a hardship. I have plenty of liberal friends who live here just fine.

Well my brother was recently rejected from every hospice we applied to in Mobile. They say 'we can't handle HIV' (although I bet they'll accept any number of contagious diseases that impact white straight persons). He spent one of his last weeks on Earth in terrible pain, in a obscenely unsuitable environment, with no medical care because he couldn't get medical treatment. And if you're detailed as hospice, the insurance company cuts you off from the ER. Please let me know the hospices in Mobile that take HIV positive/Gay persons. I'd love a list. I'd imagine that AIDS Alabama South would probably like a list too.

BTW, there also is a huge problem with getting any medical care in Alabama, if you're perceived to be Gay or have a disease that impacts the Gay community. In Mobile, there's one provider. And they are absolutely unable to cope with the workload. My brother was under 'life and death' level need to get to a HIV specialist. He had to wait weeks.

Here's how HIV positive persons are treated in Alabama. http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2016/10/the_family_of_hiv-patient_dump.html The Mobile Infirmary straight up threw a Gay man, desperately ill with AIDS, in pajamas out of their emergency room, threw him in a puddle on the friggin' street in 40 degree rain and then threw his medicine on top of him, and left him there. He was found 4 hours later. He died of exposure (of course at another hospital - Mobile Infirmary wouldn't treat him). All of this was on security cameras. Criminal charges filed.....ZERO.

Its actually DANGEROUS to be a Gay person in Alabama. Because you can't get medical care. You can't even die with any dignity. In 2017.

Wait, so AIDS is a gay disease now? You used to argue otherwise.

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(09-02-2017 01:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So sketchy.

(09-02-2017 02:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 01:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So sketchy.

What? Want a PM with my brother's obituary? How about the name of the hospice group that turned him down? Did you even read the link about what happened to the AIDS patient at Mobile Infirmary? Want to try to call up the only provider of HIV/AIDS care in Mobile and tell them you've been referred by the major hospital in town (probably the only hospital that will treat Gay persons) and need to get treatment immediately and see how long it takes?

BTW, dealing with my brother's death was why I was out of here all July.

(09-02-2017 02:11 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 01:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So sketchy.

What? Want a PM with my brother's obituary? How about the name of the hospice group that turned him down? Did you even read the link about what happened to the AIDS patient at Mobile Infirmary? Want to try to call up the only provider of HIV/AIDS care in Mobile and tell them you've been referred by the major hospital in town (probably the only hospital that will treat Gay persons) and need to get treatment immediately and see how long it takes?

BTW, dealing with my brother's death was why I was out of here all July.

Why are they offshoring money? Prepping for those defamation lawsuits?

(09-02-2017 02:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:11 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 01:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So sketchy.

What? Want a PM with my brother's obituary? How about the name of the hospice group that turned him down? Did you even read the link about what happened to the AIDS patient at Mobile Infirmary? Want to try to call up the only provider of HIV/AIDS care in Mobile and tell them you've been referred by the major hospital in town (probably the only hospital that will treat Gay persons) and need to get treatment immediately and see how long it takes?

BTW, dealing with my brother's death was why I was out of here all July.

Why are they offshoring money? Prepping for those defamation lawsuits?

Haven't lost a lawsuit yet. No idea. Nor do I care so long as they're calling out discrimination that I believe creates an environment that endangers the safety of minorities.

Quote:Corkins -- who had chosen the research council as his target after finding it listed as an anti-gay group on the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center -- had planned to stride into the building and open fire on the people inside in an effort to kill as many as possible, he told investigators, according to the court documents.

(09-02-2017 02:31 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:11 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 01:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So sketchy.

What? Want a PM with my brother's obituary? How about the name of the hospice group that turned him down? Did you even read the link about what happened to the AIDS patient at Mobile Infirmary? Want to try to call up the only provider of HIV/AIDS care in Mobile and tell them you've been referred by the major hospital in town (probably the only hospital that will treat Gay persons) and need to get treatment immediately and see how long it takes?

BTW, dealing with my brother's death was why I was out of here all July.

Why are they offshoring money? Prepping for those defamation lawsuits?

Haven't lost a lawsuit yet. No idea. Nor do I care so long as they're calling out discrimination that I believe creates an environment that endangers the safety of minorities.

Right, and Ayann Hirsi Ali is an "extremist" and Army bases are "confederate monuments" that must come down. These "hate lists" are nothing more than dog whistles to domestic terrorists like Floyd Lee Corkins.

You're on the wrong side of history, my friend.

Quote:Corkins -- who had chosen the research council as his target after finding it listed as an anti-gay group on the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center -- had planned to stride into the building and open fire on the people inside in an effort to kill as many as possible, he told investigators, according to the court documents.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/justice/dc-family-research-council-shooting/index.html

(09-02-2017 02:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:31 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:11 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  What? Want a PM with my brother's obituary? How about the name of the hospice group that turned him down? Did you even read the link about what happened to the AIDS patient at Mobile Infirmary? Want to try to call up the only provider of HIV/AIDS care in Mobile and tell them you've been referred by the major hospital in town (probably the only hospital that will treat Gay persons) and need to get treatment immediately and see how long it takes?

BTW, dealing with my brother's death was why I was out of here all July.

Why are they offshoring money? Prepping for those defamation lawsuits?

Haven't lost a lawsuit yet. No idea. Nor do I care so long as they're calling out discrimination that I believe creates an environment that endangers the safety of minorities.

Right, and Ayann Hirsi Ali is an "extremist" and Army bases are "confederate monuments" that must come down. These "hate lists" are nothing more than dog whistles to domestic terrorists like Floyd Lee Corkins.

You're on the wrong side of history, my friend.

Quote:Corkins -- who had chosen the research council as his target after finding it listed as an anti-gay group on the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center -- had planned to stride into the building and open fire on the people inside in an effort to kill as many as possible, he told investigators, according to the court documents.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/justice/dc-family-research-council-shooting/index.html

The Family Research Council was and is a straight-up hate group. They consistently advocate criminalization of Gay persons. Their leader paid David Duke thousands. They spent thousands lobbying against condemnation of Uganda's Kill the Gays Bill. They are linked with the World Congress of Families/Russia. They consistently demonize Gay persons, use discredited science, and scapegoat LGBT persons.

And there are plenty of people calling the FRC, and everyone linked to it straight up haters. They have justification for doing so. Its unfortunate that some crazy person decided to operate outside the law, but the FRC doesn't get a pass to continue advocating for horrendous discrimination against LGBT persons in response.

Now, please defend the FRC against charges that they are a hate group.

(09-02-2017 03:04 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:31 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 02:11 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Why are they offshoring money? Prepping for those defamation lawsuits?

Haven't lost a lawsuit yet. No idea. Nor do I care so long as they're calling out discrimination that I believe creates an environment that endangers the safety of minorities.

Right, and Ayann Hirsi Ali is an "extremist" and Army bases are "confederate monuments" that must come down. These "hate lists" are nothing more than dog whistles to domestic terrorists like Floyd Lee Corkins.

You're on the wrong side of history, my friend.

Quote:Corkins -- who had chosen the research council as his target after finding it listed as an anti-gay group on the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center -- had planned to stride into the building and open fire on the people inside in an effort to kill as many as possible, he told investigators, according to the court documents.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/justice/dc-family-research-council-shooting/index.html

The Family Research Council was and is a straight-up hate group. They consistently advocate criminalization of Gay persons. Their leader paid David Duke thousands. They spent thousands lobbying against condemnation of Uganda's Kill the Gays Bill. They are linked with the World Congress of Families/Russia. They consistently demonize Gay persons, use discredited science, and scapegoat LGBT persons.

And there are plenty of people calling the FRC, and everyone linked to it straight up haters. They have justification for doing so. Its unfortunate that some crazy person decided to operate outside the law, but the FRC doesn't get a pass to continue advocating for horrendous discrimination against LGBT persons in response.

Now, please defend the FRC against charges that they are a hate group.

No, no buts.

We need to clear this up. Do you disavow all domestic terrorism, or do you think it's sometimes justified if it's against what you consider a "hate" group or someone you disagree with politically?