(08-30-2017 11:12 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  wait, what? not his full time job?

Joey's full time job is playing catch with our team and schmoozing CAA ADs and Prez. His buddy Michael (CSMG) likely spent a few days/weeks last year making phone calls to land those amazing deals with Stretch and CSL.

(08-30-2017 02:34 AM)Dignan Wrote:  If JMU plays their cards well here the failure by the CAA to get a deal could be a real opportunity we wouldn't ordinarily have. They screwed this up so bad that it finally gives us the opportunity to negotiate independently, where I have to think we have a lot more value than if a channel has to swallow a Maine vs Rhode Island game in the name of giving every team a participation trophy.

Hey, you're on to something. I see it now... JB and Alger knew this would happen and let it, just so JMU could be better positioned for national exposure! Right Nation??? They are geniuses like you said. I no longer consider myself among the doubters.

(08-30-2017 10:33 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Bottom line is this: Joey f'd this up by hiring his two buddies (CSMG) that likely work out of their apartments. It's a very small time operation that represents small schools. Their website shows Michael and Ray, their lawyer(likely part time), and two outside "advisory board members" (people they ask for advice). On top of this, they represent a slew of other small schools/conferences, and CAA only gets a slice of their time and effort. It was a horrible hiring decision out of the gate.

It will be interesting to see how much better JB can do with a few weeks effort.

It is embarrassing to be listed on the same page as some of those schools. A damn shame and reeks of collusion from Joey D.

sorry... what's this URL?

(08-30-2017 11:57 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 10:33 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Bottom line is this: Joey f'd this up by hiring his two buddies (CSMG) that likely work out of their apartments. It's a very small time operation that represents small schools. Their website shows Michael and Ray, their lawyer(likely part time), and two outside "advisory board members" (people they ask for advice). On top of this, they represent a slew of other small schools/conferences, and CAA only gets a slice of their time and effort. It was a horrible hiring decision out of the gate.

It will be interesting to see how much better JB can do with a few weeks effort.

It is embarrassing to be listed on the same page as some of those schools. A damn shame and reeks of collusion from Joey D.

Hey man. There's no shame being placed beside the likes of Holy Family University and Trevecca Nazarene.

(08-30-2017 12:13 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  sorry... what's this URL?

http://www.collegiatesmg.com

(08-30-2017 11:22 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 02:34 AM)Dignan Wrote:  If JMU plays their cards well here the failure by the CAA to get a deal could be a real opportunity we wouldn't ordinarily have. They screwed this up so bad that it finally gives us the opportunity to negotiate independently, where I have to think we have a lot more value than if a channel has to swallow a Maine vs Rhode Island game in the name of giving every team a participation trophy.

Hey, you're on to something. I see it now... JB and Alger knew this would happen and let it, just so JMU could be better positioned for national exposure! Right Nation??? They are geniuses like you said. I no longer consider myself among the doubters.

Not what I said. I said that this could be an opportunity. They shouldn't have gotten in this situation in the first place and I don't imagine that it was anything they intended but now that we're here maybe it could work out better than it would have otherwise.

(08-30-2017 09:39 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 08:25 AM)South Main Wrote:  Hah, maybe.. I just think being on CBS digital is weak, even if JMU had 3 games on there instead of one, not a single casual college football fan will ever turn in, would just be JMU folk. That's why I think getting 3-4 games on CSN blows away this CBS digital crap. Yes, ESPN3 would have been sweet, but only our home games and a couple away games would be on it, unless the CAA paid for the all service Rhode Island, etc. need for production. I would've preferred Twitter above CBS because it would be so much easier to navigate to and grab fans. In the end the deal sucked, but may work out ok, thanks to Bourne and not the CAA.

I tend to agree, but this path was basically set once Joey was hired ... here's why:
- Joey immediately outsourced this to his buddies Michael and Ray at CSMG
- CAA is the "flagship" deal/client for CSMG, the only other conference of note they work with is the MEAC
- CSMG has relationships/contacts with CBS, CBS digital, and Stretch Internet. They don't have a working relationship with ESPN listed.
- CSMG likely benefits from us adopting Stretch
- Michael's resume now lists "long term deals" for the CAA with CBS, CBS digital, Stretch, and Twitter as a key accomplishment. He must have felt confident in twitter at some point.

Basically Joey hired two buddies of his, and they didn't deliver. Now the CAA might be stuck with this mess a while.

These facts add a little twist to what I was told; CAA was very close to a deal with Fox Network for 13-15 games televised that folded at the last minute due to Fox walking away. I wonder if Fox walking was for their own reasons or due to frustration with a group like CSMG.

(08-30-2017 01:40 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  These facts add a little twist to what I was told; CAA was very close to a deal with Fox Network for 13-15 games televised that folded at the last minute due to Fox walking away. I wonder if Fox walking was for their own reasons or due to frustration with a group like CSMG.

What Fox Networks exactly? There's those Fox College Sports network, which comcast recently dropped from their line up and it was only standard definition channels too. FS1 doesn't air FCS games that I'm aware of.

Some Fox affiliated games may get picked up by the MASN networks, but not all. The ones they do pick up are usually P5 games.

(08-30-2017 01:45 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 01:40 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  These facts add a little twist to what I was told; CAA was very close to a deal with Fox Network for 13-15 games televised that folded at the last minute due to Fox walking away. I wonder if Fox walking was for their own reasons or due to frustration with a group like CSMG.

What Fox Networks exactly? There's those Fox College Sports network, which comcast recently dropped from their line up and it was only standard definition channels too. FS1 doesn't air FCS games that I'm aware of.

Some Fox affiliated games may get picked up by the MASN networks, but not all. The ones they do pick up are usually P5 games.

I have no idea. I was told "network." I would doubt FS1 but Comcast Mid Atlantic and MASN are affiliates, maybe thru them? Honestly my only point was the CSMG doesn't list a relationship with Fox and we didn't end up getting a deal with them despite being very close.

(08-30-2017 02:00 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 01:45 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 01:40 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  These facts add a little twist to what I was told; CAA was very close to a deal with Fox Network for 13-15 games televised that folded at the last minute due to Fox walking away. I wonder if Fox walking was for their own reasons or due to frustration with a group like CSMG.

What Fox Networks exactly? There's those Fox College Sports network, which comcast recently dropped from their line up and it was only standard definition channels too. FS1 doesn't air FCS games that I'm aware of.

Some Fox affiliated games may get picked up by the MASN networks, but not all. The ones they do pick up are usually P5 games.

I have no idea. I was told "network." I would doubt FS1 but Comcast Mid Atlantic and MASN are affiliates, maybe thru them? Honestly my only point was the CSMG doesn't list a relationship with Fox and we didn't end up getting a deal with them despite being very close.

FS2 perhaps?

(08-30-2017 02:04 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  FS2 perhaps?

Comcast doesn't even carry that channel in their line up. As far as I can tell from their website, neither does Direct TV. It would be an immediate failure to only have something offered by one of three major TV providers. You'd also probably have to subscribe to the highest end package to get it.

At that point, you might as well just only have stretch streaming.

(08-30-2017 02:09 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 02:04 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  FS2 perhaps?

Comcast doesn't even carry that channel in their line up. As far as I can tell from their website, neither does Direct TV. It would be an immediate failure to only have something offered by one of three major TV providers. You'd also probably have to subscribe to the highest end package to get it.

At that point, you might as well just only have stretch streaming.

I've got the mid grade Verizon FIOS package and get FS2. Going back to 2013, when they launched FS1 and FS2, I got them both, but not FS2 in HD. Think HD was added in the last year or so.

(08-30-2017 02:32 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  I've got the mid grade Verizon FIOS package and get FS2. Going back to 2013, when they launched FS1 and FS2, I got them both, but not FS2 in HD. Think HD was added in the last year or so.

I forgot about FIOS. I can't even get that where I live. Either way, it looks like two of four major providers don't carry it. Stay away from national networks that many people can't even access if they wanted to.

STILL NOTHING?

(08-30-2017 12:37 PM)Dignan Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 11:22 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 02:34 AM)Dignan Wrote:  If JMU plays their cards well here the failure by the CAA to get a deal could be a real opportunity we wouldn't ordinarily have. They screwed this up so bad that it finally gives us the opportunity to negotiate independently, where I have to think we have a lot more value than if a channel has to swallow a Maine vs Rhode Island game in the name of giving every team a participation trophy.

Hey, you're on to something. I see it now... JB and Alger knew this would happen and let it, just so JMU could be better positioned for national exposure! Right Nation??? They are geniuses like you said. I no longer consider myself among the doubters.

Not what I said. I said that this could be an opportunity. They shouldn't have gotten in this situation in the first place and I don't imagine that it was anything they intended but now that we're here maybe it could work out better than it would have otherwise.

I know bro, that's just how Nation will spin it.

While we're at it with the Melissa McCarthy gifs. Let me just help myself.

(08-30-2017 03:00 PM)Potomac Wrote:  While we're at it with the Melissa McCarthy gifs. Let me just help myself.

Spicey got an upgrade yo. Gonna miss 'em.

(08-30-2017 08:25 AM)South Main Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 02:01 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 10:06 PM)South Main Wrote:  Despite all the hate, maybe the CAA decided to sign the crap deal with CBSSN to get some exposure, but not cripple the good programs who could negotiate on their own. Personally, I love to have more games on CSN than CBSSN since I don't even get that channel. The CAA probably knew JMU, Richmond, UD, W&M, would be able to get TV themselves and maybe that's why things went down the way they did.

Meaning no disrespect, but folk we have another apologist among us.

Hah, maybe.. I just think being on CBS digital is weak, even if JMU had 3 games on there instead of one, not a single casual college football fan will ever turn in, would just be JMU folk. That's why I think getting 3-4 games on CSN blows away this CBS digital crap. Yes, ESPN3 would have been sweet, but only our home games and a couple away games would be on it, unless the CAA paid for the all service Rhode Island, etc. need for production. I would've preferred Twitter above CBS because it would be so much easier to navigate to and grab fans. In the end the deal sucked, but may work out ok, thanks to Bourne and not the CAA.

You just solidified my first post. That's okay, without the likes of Nation, Dirty, and a few others the place would be boring.

(08-30-2017 03:17 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 08:25 AM)South Main Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 02:01 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  [quote='South Main' pid='14536132' dateline='1504062378']
Despite all the hate, maybe the CAA decided to sign the crap deal with CBSSN to get some exposure, but not cripple the good programs who could negotiate on their own. Personally, I love to have more games on CSN than CBSSN since I don't even get that channel. The CAA probably knew JMU, Richmond, UD, W&M, would be able to get TV themselves and maybe that's why things went down the way they did.

Meaning no disrespect, but folk we have another apologist among us.

That's okay, without the likes of Nation, Dirty, and a few others the place would be boring.