(08-29-2017 07:13 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:24 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Individual schools have to do the leg work for tv deals should be a wake-up call to the presidents in charge.

True. When is Joey D's contract up and will it be renewed? At this point, no way.

With the fact that Comcast seems to be very happy to make deals with all of these different schools, it makes you wonder if the commish insisted on home games for every team no matter how weak they are (like he got with CBS Digital) and Comcast refused.

This is what happens when you appoint a compliance officer to run things. They become more concerned with "fair" and "equal" than promoting the best image of the conference and its leading schools. Strongly suspect there were some offers on the table that didn't include home games for all schools or required schools to upgrade their production capabilities. A normal contract might allow the network some flexibility to pick the best games each week. ESPN even does this to a degree with the playoffs and features certain games more than others (ESPN2 vs ESPNU)

If we somehow end up with a very good deal out of this, we ought to consider opting out of conference deals in the future, and just spend more time landing our own.

Joey outsourced this task to his buddies at CSMG almost a year ago:
http://caasports.com/news/2016/9/21/GEN_0921161718.aspx

My confidence is pretty low that Joey and CSMG can do any better next year (while appeasing the URI and Elon types)

(08-29-2017 07:13 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:24 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Individual schools have to do the leg work for tv deals should be a wake-up call to the presidents in charge.

True. When is Joey D's contract up and will it be renewed? At this point, no way.

With the fact that Comcast seems to be very happy to make deals with all of these different schools, it makes you wonder if the commish insisted on home games for every team no matter how weak they are (like he got with CBS Digital) and Comcast refused.

There's still one thing Joey D can do and be alright by me- remove the $1 million exit fee.

(08-29-2017 08:28 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 07:13 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:24 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Individual schools have to do the leg work for tv deals should be a wake-up call to the presidents in charge.

True. When is Joey D's contract up and will it be renewed? At this point, no way.

With the fact that Comcast seems to be very happy to make deals with all of these different schools, it makes you wonder if the commish insisted on home games for every team no matter how weak they are (like he got with CBS Digital) and Comcast refused.

There's still one thing Joey D can do and be alright by me- remove the $1 million exit fee.

While I'm sure this was tongue in cheek, Joey wouldn't have that type of unilateral power, it would need to pass majority vote I'm sure. JMU voted ourselves into this mess right about the time ODU left.

Turns out Joey picked a humdinger of an agent for the CAA:

CSMG represents such powerhouse conferences as the MEAC, Gulf South Conference, and East Coast Conference.

http://www.collegiatesmg.com/collegiate-...ences.html

That great East Coast Conference we are wating for exists!

CSMG is also in bed with ... wait for it .... Stretch Internet! This is starting to feel like one big incestuous mess. CSMG probably gets a cut of every dollar we spend on that Stretch crap.

Despite all the hate, maybe the CAA decided to sign the crap deal with CBSSN to get some exposure, but not cripple the good programs who could negotiate on their own. Personally, I love to have more games on CSN than CBSSN since I don't even get that channel. The CAA probably knew JMU, Richmond, UD, W&M, would be able to get TV themselves and maybe that's why things went down the way they did.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the package(s) look like, and am glad to hear that there will be some level of regional TV coverage. However, I don't think a separate deal was on JB's radar until after the fact (meaning other schools receiving/negotiating deals). Go back and read that Bourne Dialogue following the league announcement and there is no mention of any TV exploration possibilities. Quite the opposite, actually. If anything it seems to suggest that TV coverage is more or less a dead end for now and that JMU will be evaluating streaming platforms going forward.

(08-29-2017 10:06 PM)South Main Wrote:  Despite all the hate, maybe the CAA decided to sign the crap deal with CBSSN to get some exposure, but not cripple the good programs who could negotiate on their own. Personally, I love to have more games on CSN than CBSSN since I don't even get that channel. The CAA probably knew JMU, Richmond, UD, W&M, would be able to get TV themselves and maybe that's why things went down the way they did.

That doesn't quite add up, though. Even if the CAA did want to get some exposure to all teams by going with the CBSSN deal, there was no reason the CAA couldn't have then turned to another source to get a 2nd deal. They could have set it up that every team get one home game on CBSSN (the deal they did get), and then set-up 1-2 more games per week on Comcast (with Comcast picking the games they want. Instead, Joey set up the crap deal, declared "Mission Accomplished", and let all of the stronger (non-URI) teams fend for themselves.

(08-29-2017 10:21 PM)DooX Wrote:  I'm looking forward to seeing what the package(s) look like, and am glad to hear that there will be some level of regional TV coverage. However, I don't think a separate deal was on JB's radar until after the fact (meaning other schools receiving/negotiating deals). Go back and read that Bourne Dialogue following the league announcement and there is no mention of any TV exploration possibilities. Quite the opposite, actually. If anything it seems to suggest that TV coverage is more or less a dead end for now and that JMU will be evaluating streaming platforms going forward.

I agree with this assessment. It seems like Bourne trusted the conference to get the best deal possible and trusted what Joey D. told him about the negotiations. Once other schools started announcing deals, though, Bourne (and likely the rest of the administration) realized we were getting screwed. Fortunately, we have a strong enough football program where networks are happy to take our phone calls and work out a deal.

(08-29-2017 10:06 PM)South Main Wrote:  Despite all the hate, maybe the CAA decided to sign the crap deal with CBSSN to get some exposure, but not cripple the good programs who could negotiate on their own. Personally, I love to have more games on CSN than CBSSN since I don't even get that channel. The CAA probably knew JMU, Richmond, UD, W&M, would be able to get TV themselves and maybe that's why things went down the way they did.

Meaning no disrespect, but folk we have another apologist among us.

If JMU plays their cards well here the failure by the CAA to get a deal could be a real opportunity we wouldn't ordinarily have. They screwed this up so bad that it finally gives us the opportunity to negotiate independently, where I have to think we have a lot more value than if a channel has to swallow a Maine vs Rhode Island game in the name of giving every team a participation trophy.

(08-29-2017 10:06 PM)South Main Wrote:  Despite all the hate, maybe the CAA decided to sign the crap deal with CBSSN to get some exposure, but not cripple the good programs who could negotiate on their own. Personally, I love to have more games on CSN than CBSSN since I don't even get that channel. The CAA probably knew JMU, Richmond, UD, W&M, would be able to get TV themselves and maybe that's why things went down the way they did.

You mean CBS Digital. The caa has no deal with CBSSN except for the later rounds of the caa men's basketball tournament.
If they signed caa football games on CBSSN, that would be a massive improvement over the current train wreck that they're trying to pass off as a tv deal.
A commissioner making decisions off of what schools may or may not do on their own needs to be shown the door immediately.

(08-30-2017 02:01 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 10:06 PM)South Main Wrote:  Despite all the hate, maybe the CAA decided to sign the crap deal with CBSSN to get some exposure, but not cripple the good programs who could negotiate on their own. Personally, I love to have more games on CSN than CBSSN since I don't even get that channel. The CAA probably knew JMU, Richmond, UD, W&M, would be able to get TV themselves and maybe that's why things went down the way they did.

Meaning no disrespect, but folk we have another apologist among us.

Hah, maybe.. I just think being on CBS digital is weak, even if JMU had 3 games on there instead of one, not a single casual college football fan will ever turn in, would just be JMU folk. That's why I think getting 3-4 games on CSN blows away this CBS digital crap. Yes, ESPN3 would have been sweet, but only our home games and a couple away games would be on it, unless the CAA paid for the all service Rhode Island, etc. need for production. I would've preferred Twitter above CBS because it would be so much easier to navigate to and grab fans. In the end the deal sucked, but may work out ok, thanks to Bourne and not the CAA.

(08-30-2017 08:25 AM)South Main Wrote:  Hah, maybe.. I just think being on CBS digital is weak, even if JMU had 3 games on there instead of one, not a single casual college football fan will ever turn in, would just be JMU folk. That's why I think getting 3-4 games on CSN blows away this CBS digital crap. Yes, ESPN3 would have been sweet, but only our home games and a couple away games would be on it, unless the CAA paid for the all service Rhode Island, etc. need for production. I would've preferred Twitter above CBS because it would be so much easier to navigate to and grab fans. In the end the deal sucked, but may work out ok, thanks to Bourne and not the CAA.

I tend to agree, but this path was basically set once Joey was hired ... here's why:
- Joey immediately outsourced this to his buddies Michael and Ray at CSMG
- CAA is the "flagship" deal/client for CSMG, the only other conference of note they work with is the MEAC
- CSMG has relationships/contacts with CBS, CBS digital, and Stretch Internet. They don't have a working relationship with ESPN listed.
- CSMG likely benefits from us adopting Stretch
- Michael's resume now lists "long term deals" for the CAA with CBS, CBS digital, Stretch, and Twitter as a key accomplishment. He must have felt confident in twitter at some point.

Basically Joey hired two buddies of his, and they didn't deliver. Now the CAA might be stuck with this mess a while.

(08-30-2017 09:39 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 08:25 AM)South Main Wrote:  Hah, maybe.. I just think being on CBS digital is weak, even if JMU had 3 games on there instead of one, not a single casual college football fan will ever turn in, would just be JMU folk. That's why I think getting 3-4 games on CSN blows away this CBS digital crap. Yes, ESPN3 would have been sweet, but only our home games and a couple away games would be on it, unless the CAA paid for the all service Rhode Island, etc. need for production. I would've preferred Twitter above CBS because it would be so much easier to navigate to and grab fans. In the end the deal sucked, but may work out ok, thanks to Bourne and not the CAA.

I tend to agree, but this path was basically set once Joey was hired ... here's why:
- Joey immediately outsourced this to his buddies Michael and Ray at CSMG
- CAA is the "flagship" deal/client for CSMG, the only other conference of note they work with is the MEAC
- CSMG has relationships/contacts with CBS, CBS digital, and Stretch Internet. They don't have a working relationship with ESPN listed.
- CSMG likely benefits from us adopting Stretch
- Michael's resume now lists "long term deals" for the CAA with CBS, CBS digital, Stretch, and Twitter as a key accomplishment. He must have felt confident in twitter at some point.

Basically Joey hired two buddies of his, and they didn't deliver. Now the CAA might be stuck with this mess a while.

Feels and looks like some good old northeastern cronyism....your play by play reads like parody, until you do some CSMG research.

(08-30-2017 09:39 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  I tend to agree, but this path was basically set once Joey was hired ... here's why:
- Joey immediately outsourced this to his buddies Michael and Ray at CSMG
- CAA is the "flagship" deal/client for CSMG, the only other conference of note they work with is the MEAC
- CSMG has relationships/contacts with CBS, CBS digital, and Stretch Internet. They don't have a working relationship with ESPN listed.
- CSMG likely benefits from us adopting Stretch
- Michael's resume now lists "long term deals" for the CAA with CBS, CBS digital, Stretch, and Twitter as a key accomplishment. He must have felt confident in twitter at some point.

Basically Joey hired two buddies of his, and they didn't deliver. Now the CAA might be stuck with this mess a while.

Wow way to oversell that turd. CBS? Try a whopping three basketball games a year on CBS Sports Network, not the main CBS channel.
Twitter? we're still waiting on that one. Maybe don't list something that doesn't exist?

I'll go ahead and add CEO of Amazon to my resume while i'm at it.

I'm curious where all the money is here. The CAA used to get money from networks right? I'm thinking the reason the conference doesn't have a deal is because there's no money in it. The individual schools must be paying these networks to come in and air the shows. Curious what kind of money UR, UD, and JMU will be spending on this now.

Could it be that the CBS digital deal was done to appease the bottom CAA teams with some coverage knowing the ESPNs of the world didn't want their games. This would allow us to obtain a more lucrative deal. I know, I might be stretching this a bit.

(08-30-2017 09:45 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I'm curious where all the money is here. The CAA used to get money from networks right? I'm thinking the reason the conference doesn't have a deal is because there's no money in it. The individual schools must be paying these networks to come in and air the shows. Curious what kind of money UR, UD, and JMU will be spending on this now.

Yep, no way CAA/JMU is getting cash in these deals. NFL/College Football numbers are on the decline and networks are showing to only pony up for the P5 schools, the rest, CUSA-SunBelt-CAA are basically going to get little to no TV money in the future. Best bet is some kind of revenue sharing through ads and sponsorship if you can attract an audience.

Bottom line is this: Joey f'd this up by hiring his two buddies (CSMG) that likely work out of their apartments. It's a very small time operation that represents small schools. Their website shows Michael and Ray, their lawyer(likely part time), and two outside "advisory board members" (people they ask for advice). On top of this, they represent a slew of other small schools/conferences, and CAA only gets a slice of their time and effort. It was a horrible hiring decision out of the gate.

It will be interesting to see how much better JB can do with a few weeks effort.

wait, what? not his full time job?