UMKC could be next. Geez, they took a step down from The Summit and still can't be successful.

I guess they aren't D-I material after all.

(06-18-2017 09:37 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 02:31 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  I think Chicago State athletics at the D1 level will be done soon. Fortunately the WAC landed a new member in SoCal (CBU) that will likely lead to landing another SoCal member within the next decade (APU). The WAC can rid itself of Chicago State and be just fine...

...however that would really put UMKC on an island but they have nowhere else to go so...meh.

Sure they do, back to the Summit.

I don't think the newly solidified Dakota cabal will allow it...apparently they have the Montana's targeted.

(06-18-2017 12:16 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  For those who don't know, this is the FOIA document that started it

Athletics: We are in our third year of a five year contract with the WAC. Next year, the university will need to discuss moving forward with conference. Athletics requests are part of the contract, Tennis needs an assistant coach, would like lights for the courts, night time play. Soccer fields needs to be built and basketball court needs floor replacement for safety. WAC requirement calls for a Director of Basketball, a Head Coach for Men’s Soccer, and the renovation of the outdoor track; our facility does not currently meet WAC requirements. Coaches total cost is $100,000 total; this is our are #1 priority. Currently, we are Division 1, we may want to study the benefits of being Division 1 or another division.

csu.edu/financialaffairs/ubc/documents/minutes_Apr26_2016.pdf

Despite multiple requests to clarify CSU's status since, Jeff Hurd has been noncommittal since then. Here was the first attempt to get an answer in 2016 by a Las Cruces reporter

https://twitter.com/mrudi19/status/708472879411646464

He was equally noncommittal and vague to a NYT reporter 6 months later. And all requests for clarification since have not been answered. Of the record either he or a member of his staff told the NYT reporter that CSU was not in compliance with their WAC contract on several issues from staffing to safety.

Hurd gave very different, effusive and complete answers about how UT-RGV has passed it's contract term in flying colors, giving praise and saying how everyone in the league was impressed at how far they have come. It is very clear the non comments from Hurd speak loudly about the less than secure state of Chicago State in the WAC. But the league has to play it out for another year before Cal Baptist comes on board. So do not expect a direct answer until Spring next year.

So You think the WAC is going to kick Chicago State out because they have not built a soccer field? The WAC is fully aware of the Illinois State Budget Crisis that Chicago State and every other public school is going through. Jeff Hurd is monitoring the situation at Chicago State because of the state budget crisis. The WAC is aware that they cannot move forward on things without money. It is the same thing Tom Douple, Summit League Commissioner, has stated about Western Illinois University. He is monitoring the situation at WIU. About all you can do.

The State of Illinois bond rating has been lowered to one step above junk:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-stalemate

"Illinois hasn’t had a full year budget in place for the past two years amid a clash between the Democrat-run legislature and Republican Governor Bruce Rauner. That’s left the fifth most-populous state with a record $14.5 billion of unpaid bills, ravaged entities like universities and social service providers that rely on state aid and undermined Illinois’s standing in the bond market, where investors have demanded higher premiums for the risk of owning its debt. Moody’s called Illinois “an outlier among states” after suffering eight downgrades in as many years."

Chicago State is not delinquent. They don't owe money to the WAC. They have not build a soccer field and hired a soccer coach. The WAC already has 11 soccer schools, with a 12th coming on board in 2018.
They really don't need Chicago State soccer.

(06-18-2017 02:34 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:37 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 02:31 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  I think Chicago State athletics at the D1 level will be done soon. Fortunately the WAC landed a new member in SoCal (CBU) that will likely lead to landing another SoCal member within the next decade (APU). The WAC can rid itself of Chicago State and be just fine...

...however that would really put UMKC on an island but they have nowhere else to go so...meh.

Sure they do, back to the Summit.

I don't think the newly solidified Dakota cabal will allow it...apparently they have the Montana's targeted.

Targeted maybe. Or it could just be something their fans would like to see. I don't see the Montanas leaving a conference where they are king to play 2nd fiddle to the Dakota 4.

(06-18-2017 06:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 02:34 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:37 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 02:31 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  I think Chicago State athletics at the D1 level will be done soon. Fortunately the WAC landed a new member in SoCal (CBU) that will likely lead to landing another SoCal member within the next decade (APU). The WAC can rid itself of Chicago State and be just fine...

...however that would really put UMKC on an island but they have nowhere else to go so...meh.

Sure they do, back to the Summit.

I don't think the newly solidified Dakota cabal will allow it...apparently they have the Montana's targeted.

Targeted maybe. Or it could just be something their fans would like to see. I don't see the Montanas leaving a conference where they are king to play 2nd fiddle to the Dakota 4.

It was a TIC comment. The Montana's have nothing to gain from being in a Dakota centered conference. Such a move would limit what little potential they have left at the FCS level. Besides, why would they leave a conference in which they are already calling the shots?

Bumping this as it’s almost May and Chicago St hasn’t hired a Men’s basketball HC, doesn’t appear to be looking for a coach and has lost many/most of its players/assistant coaches.
Will Chicago St have a team in 2018/19?

(04-22-2018 01:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Bumping this as it’s almost May and Chicago St hasn’t hired a Men’s basketball HC, doesn’t appear to be looking for a coach and has lost many/most of its players/assistant coaches.
Will Chicago St have a team in 2018/19?

I ranted about it on the WAC board, but Tracy Dildy could coach. He had Chicago St in the top half of the WAC until the bottom fell out for the school’s finances and he was forced to recruit via Skype and then doubledip with AD duties (probably the only MBB coach of 351 doing so?).

Despite all that, he still came within a whisker of beating Northwestern (their best team ever which went to NCAA Round 2) and Illinois the past few years.

No one bleed Cougar Green more than Tracy Dildy. He’s a South Side legend who was performing HC/AD double duties in an impossible situation at something like ~$130k. Had a 3* coming in from Simeon and a high regarded JC recruit. Zero chance Chicago St could do better than Dildy.

Then they fire him because of social-political backstabbing within the staff/school.

1 month later: top player signed with an agent, Simeon 3* recruit bailed, JC recruit bailed. No coach or AD hired.

Whoever made that decision might’ve killed the program.

(05-14-2017 03:28 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UMKC is like Omaha. They can shop themselves around all they want. There are no takers ... well maybe the Southland.

The WAC expects to eventually lose UMKC, that is why they are working on a couple SoCal schools to move up.

I think in the long run the WAC will be better off without Chicago State and UMKC. Having a smaller geographic footprint will make it easier to attract one or two more D-II move-ups to follow in the footsteps of Grand Canyon and Cal Baptist, or possibly add current D-I schools like Sac State or Portland State if they should eventually choose to drop football.

I think its a losing battle. They need to merge with the Summit.

(04-22-2018 01:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 03:28 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UMKC is like Omaha. They can shop themselves around all they want. There are no takers ... well maybe the Southland.

The WAC expects to eventually lose UMKC, that is why they are working on a couple SoCal schools to move up.

I think in the long run the WAC will be better off without Chicago State and UMKC. Having a smaller geographic footprint will make it easier to attract one or two more D-II move-ups to follow in the footsteps of Grand Canyon and Cal Baptist, or possibly add current D-I schools like Sac State or Portland State if they should eventually choose to drop football.

I think its a losing battle. They need to merge with the Summit.

Summit has no need to do so

(04-22-2018 01:34 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 01:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 03:28 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UMKC is like Omaha. They can shop themselves around all they want. There are no takers ... well maybe the Southland.

The WAC expects to eventually lose UMKC, that is why they are working on a couple SoCal schools to move up.

I think in the long run the WAC will be better off without Chicago State and UMKC. Having a smaller geographic footprint will make it easier to attract one or two more D-II move-ups to follow in the footsteps of Grand Canyon and Cal Baptist, or possibly add current D-I schools like Sac State or Portland State if they should eventually choose to drop football.

I think its a losing battle. They need to merge with the Summit.

Summit has no need to do so

The Summit has been shedding teams too. And some of the WAC schools are better matches than potential Summit additions. And the WAC has a better name.

(04-22-2018 01:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 01:34 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 01:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 03:28 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UMKC is like Omaha. They can shop themselves around all they want. There are no takers ... well maybe the Southland.

The WAC expects to eventually lose UMKC, that is why they are working on a couple SoCal schools to move up.

I think in the long run the WAC will be better off without Chicago State and UMKC. Having a smaller geographic footprint will make it easier to attract one or two more D-II move-ups to follow in the footsteps of Grand Canyon and Cal Baptist, or possibly add current D-I schools like Sac State or Portland State if they should eventually choose to drop football.

I think its a losing battle. They need to merge with the Summit.

Summit has no need to do so

The Summit has been shedding teams too. And some of the WAC schools are better matches than potential Summit additions. And the WAC has a better name.

WAC has a fantastic name.

Chicago State has much bigger problems that its men's basketball program. The institution is in dire straits. Frankly, it has been circling the drain for a long time.

(04-22-2018 01:59 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Chicago State has much bigger problems that its men's basketball program. The institution is in dire straits. Frankly, it has been circling the drain for a long time.

I wonder if it's not only Chicago St basketball that gets the axe? Maybe it's Chicago St itself, that ends?

(04-22-2018 01:28 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  [quote='billybobby777' pid='15262671' dateline='1524420491']
Bumping this as it’s almost May and Chicago St hasn’t hired a Men’s basketball HC, doesn’t appear to be looking for a coach and has lost many/most of its players/assistant coaches.
Will Chicago St have a team in 2018/19?

I ranted about it on the WAC board, but Tracy Dildy could coach. He had Chicago St in the top half of the WAC until the bottom fell out for the school’s finances and he was forced to recruit via Skype and then doubledip with AD duties (probably the only MBB coach of 351 doing so?).

Despite all that, he still came within a whisker of beating Northwestern (their best team ever which went to NCAA Round 2) and Illinois the past few years.

No one bleed Cougar Green more than Tracy Dildy. He’s a South Side legend who was performing HC/AD double duties in an impossible situation at something like ~$130k. Had a 3* coming in from Simeon and a high regarded JC recruit. Zero chance Chicago St could do better than Dildy.

Then they fire him because of social-political backstabbing within the staff/school.

1 month later: top player signed with an agent, Simeon 3* recruit bailed, JC recruit bailed. No coach or AD hired.

Whoever made that decision might’ve killed the program.

quote]

Is it possible that wasn't unintentional? By all accounts, sports seems to be one of the few things holding body and soul together at Chicago St. And they fired the women's coach at the same time, both without a formal announcement.

Could this be someone's idea of putting a dying patient out of his misery?

(04-22-2018 01:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 01:34 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 01:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 03:28 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 01:57 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UMKC is like Omaha. They can shop themselves around all they want. There are no takers ... well maybe the Southland.

The WAC expects to eventually lose UMKC, that is why they are working on a couple SoCal schools to move up.

I think in the long run the WAC will be better off without Chicago State and UMKC. Having a smaller geographic footprint will make it easier to attract one or two more D-II move-ups to follow in the footsteps of Grand Canyon and Cal Baptist, or possibly add current D-I schools like Sac State or Portland State if they should eventually choose to drop football.

I think its a losing battle. They need to merge with the Summit.

Summit has no need to do so

The Summit has been shedding teams too. And some of the WAC schools are better matches than potential Summit additions. And the WAC has a better name.

Summit has the 4 Dakota's, Omaha, and Denver as a solid core. Oral Roberts isn't going anywhere so that's the 7 they need for an auto bid.

(04-22-2018 05:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 01:28 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  [quote='billybobby777' pid='15262671' dateline='1524420491']
Bumping this as it’s almost May and Chicago St hasn’t hired a Men’s basketball HC, doesn’t appear to be looking for a coach and has lost many/most of its players/assistant coaches.
Will Chicago St have a team in 2018/19?

I ranted about it on the WAC board, but Tracy Dildy could coach. He had Chicago St in the top half of the WAC until the bottom fell out for the school’s finances and he was forced to recruit via Skype and then doubledip with AD duties (probably the only MBB coach of 351 doing so?).

Despite all that, he still came within a whisker of beating Northwestern (their best team ever which went to NCAA Round 2) and Illinois the past few years.

No one bleed Cougar Green more than Tracy Dildy. He’s a South Side legend who was performing HC/AD double duties in an impossible situation at something like ~$130k. Had a 3* coming in from Simeon and a high regarded JC recruit. Zero chance Chicago St could do better than Dildy.

Then they fire him because of social-political backstabbing within the staff/school.

1 month later: top player signed with an agent, Simeon 3* recruit bailed, JC recruit bailed. No coach or AD hired.

Whoever made that decision might’ve killed the program.

quote]

Is it possible that wasn't unintentional? By all accounts, sports seems to be one of the few things holding body and soul together at Chicago St. And they fired the women's coach at the same time, both without a formal announcement.

Could this be someone's idea of putting a dying patient out of his misery?

That’s pretty much what I’m saying.. it almost appears like the program is going away without any fanfare...which if true, is highly unusual.

After all the horrible press about the financial future of the school, you would think the board would be aggressive in seeking a merger with a school that would preserve open admission and keep all or most of the campus open.

(04-22-2018 08:40 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  After all the horrible press about the financial future of the school, you would think the board would be aggressive in seeking a merger with a school that would preserve open admission and keep all or most of the campus open.

It is an unofficial HBCU since they are mainly serving African American, the politics will fight against having them merged like the schools in the south.

Chicago State is gonna turn into another D1 program that lost all sports. Morris Brown

Last I saw, Morris Brown only have like 50 students enrolled over all.

Morris Brown Went From Enrolling 2500 Students to 40


Article about Morris Brown from last year. Chicago State could end up like them.