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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
Does Bradley play in a dump??

Again -- what benefit does Bradley gain by playing at Chicago St?
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chicago
recuriting Chicago talent
being in Chicago
allumnia meetings in Chicago
educational oppert in Chicago
short road trip
Chicago B-5, would help all the schools in Chicago & state
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
Everything you just said is fulfilled exactly the same by playing Loyola.

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Terrible team (Chi St)
Very low attendance
Scary neighborhood - would not advise Bradley fans to visit
Do they recruit any players out of S Chicago?
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All parking ($5) is in front of the arena (supershort walk) and gated and monitored by campus police. Only a fence separates the parking lot and Interstate. So the neighborhood's a non-factor.

I'm guessing Bradley agreed to (a) help out a state school & (b) another game in Chicago for alumni/recruiting that'll basically be a virtual home game anyway. If their game at Loyola is on a weeknight where exposure is minimal, it makes sense to schedule @ChiSt on a weekend.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
How big is the gated, monitored lot on campus? Enough for 5k Bradley alum in the area?

Bradley is a private school, not a public school, and doubt they've been in a conference with Chi St any time recently if ever. Don't see why they care at all about helping out Chi St.


What about UIC? Or DePaul?
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(06-14-2017 05:53 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  How big is the gated, monitored lot on campus? Enough for 5k Bradley alum in the area?

Bradley is a private school, not a public school, and doubt they've been in a conference with Chi St any time recently if ever. Don't see why they care at all about helping out Chi St.


What about UIC? Or DePaul?

Google and Google Maps are wonderful. Street view shows there are only two ways onto campus via car. Have to pass a guard/gate on both to get in.
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Bradley played @EIU last year who's in the same boat as Chicago St. Except EIU plays in one of the most dead college towns in the country and offers zero alumni/recruiting/exposure/rpi incentive. It could be Bradley is being generous because that's the only way to explain those 2 road games for a program #1 in the MVC for expenditures and attendance.
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(06-14-2017 03:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why on earth play at Chicago St?? Obviously would make sense as a "warm-up" game, but at home.

Sheesh ... I doubt I would park my car and/or walk around the real south Chicago! (as opposed to the gentrified areas around U of Chicago, for example)

Over the past five years Chicago State has had home games against the following:

Southern Illinois
SIUE
DePaul (twice)
Valpo
Eastern Illinois
Loyola (IL)
Western Illinois
Nebraska-Omaha
Green Bay

These schools played at Chicago State. I don't see why Bradley shouldn't.
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RE: Will Chicago St keep sports at D1?
Obviously it's a bit uncertain at this point, but there may be a return game by CSU at some point in the future that keeps each side from having to buy a game.
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(06-14-2017 04:09 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 03:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why on earth play at Chicago St?? Obviously would make sense as a "warm-up" game, but at home.

Sheesh ... I doubt I would park my car and/or walk around the real south Chicago! (as opposed to the gentrified areas around U of Chicago, for example)

If you go to a game at Chicago State, you would park on campus next to the Arena. There is parking on campus. The campus is in a residential neighborhood and has campus police just like any other University. Come on. Let's stop with those kinds of comments...and the transparent code phrases: "real south Chicago" = crime infested neighborhoods where the blacks live; "gentrified areas around U of Chicago"= safe neighborhoods where the whites live. Damn!

Yeah, you'd think you were in Baghdad circa 2008 with the way that comment was made. Granted, Chicago has had a ridiculously high murder rate in the last few years. And even UH has had trouble with car break-in's over the years though not recently as far as I know.

But as with anything in life, you take your chances, use common sense, etc...
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(06-14-2017 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 03:54 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 03:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why on earth play at Chicago St?? Obviously would make sense as a "warm-up" game, but at home.

Sheesh ... I doubt I would park my car and/or walk around south Chicago ...

Their arena is a gem.

Yep.
http://www.gocsucougars.com/sports/2013/...aspx?id=74

I didn't know they had 8 locker rooms. They could probably hosts a few tournaments or High School playoffs.

That thing should have been built in Houston for UH. It'd go to better use.
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The schools that play there recruit South Chicago.

SoCalBobcat78 is right, but without knowing why.

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(06-14-2017 08:39 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The schools that play there recruit South Chicago.

SoCalBobcat78 is right, but without knowing why.

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Stu, I thought the list of teams that have played at Chicago State over the past five seasons would have made it self-explanatory. Thanks for adding nothing...
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(06-14-2017 04:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My guess would be they cannot afford to pay for a buy game and a bus trip from Peoria is more cost effective than flying to someone else who would go home/home, maybe add that at least gives them a shot at a bit more coverage in the Chicago area as well.

Here is their schedule from last year: http://bradleybraves.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball (you might need to manually set the year to 2016-17)

Note that Chi St already played in Peoria last year, and took a literal beating (83-48, and guessing they played all backups later on ...). So this is the return trip.

But to your point, they played plenty of teams in non-conf that weren't close by. And they also played EIU. There is absolutely no reason they had to take this game ...


(06-14-2017 04:09 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  If you go to a game at Chicago State, you would park on campus next to the Arena. There is parking on campus. The campus is in a residential neighborhood and has campus police just like any other University.

Parking for how many on campus???? A couple hundred maybe?

(06-14-2017 04:09 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  Come on. Let's stop with those kinds of comments...and the transparent code phrases: "real south Chicago" = crime infested neighborhoods where the blacks live; "gentrified areas around U of Chicago"= safe neighborhoods where the whites live. Damn!

Why are you trying to make this about race????? I said nothing of the sort. If you're going to get into race stuff, please take it to the political forum.

I've been to the U of Chicago not too long ago and felt completely safe walking around Hyde Park area. You can complain all you want, but the facts support south Chicago being one of the highest murder rates in the world.


(06-14-2017 07:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Over the past five years Chicago State has had home games against the following:

Southern Illinois
SIUE
DePaul (twice)
Valpo
Eastern Illinois
Loyola (IL)
Western Illinois
Nebraska-Omaha
Green Bay

These schools played at Chicago State. I don't see why Bradley shouldn't.

Fine
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(06-15-2017 08:22 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 04:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My guess would be they cannot afford to pay for a buy game and a bus trip from Peoria is more cost effective than flying to someone else who would go home/home, maybe add that at least gives them a shot at a bit more coverage in the Chicago area as well.

Here is their schedule from last year: http://bradleybraves.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball (you might need to manually set the year to 2016-17)

Note that Chi St already played in Peoria last year, and took a literal beating (83-48, and guessing they played all backups later on ...). So this is the return trip.

But to your point, they played plenty of teams in non-conf that weren't close by. And they also played EIU. There is absolutely no reason they had to take this game ...


(06-14-2017 04:09 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  If you go to a game at Chicago State, you would park on campus next to the Arena. There is parking on campus. The campus is in a residential neighborhood and has campus police just like any other University.

Parking for how many on campus???? A couple hundred maybe?

(06-14-2017 04:09 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  Come on. Let's stop with those kinds of comments...and the transparent code phrases: "real south Chicago" = crime infested neighborhoods where the blacks live; "gentrified areas around U of Chicago"= safe neighborhoods where the whites live. Damn!

Why are you trying to make this about race????? I said nothing of the sort. If you're going to get into race stuff, please take it to the political forum.

I've been to the U of Chicago not too long ago and felt completely safe walking around Hyde Park area. You can complain all you want, but the facts support south Chicago being one of the highest murder rates in the world.


(06-14-2017 07:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Over the past five years Chicago State has had home games against the following:

Southern Illinois
SIUE
DePaul (twice)
Valpo
Eastern Illinois
Loyola (IL)
Western Illinois
Nebraska-Omaha
Green Bay

These schools played at Chicago State. I don't see why Bradley shouldn't.

Fine

Takes two to tango. Just because someone is close enough to schedule doesn't mean you can find reciprocal interest in playing, mutual dates, or mutually agreeable terms.
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Of course. But that doesn't mean their hands were forced in any sense, or that I have to agree with the voluntary decision.
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(06-15-2017 11:09 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Of course. But that doesn't mean their hands were forced in any sense, or that I have to agree with the voluntary decision.

Who says their hand was forced. No one suggested that. They have a budget to meet and a program to run and made their choices accordingly.
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The voluntary decision by Bradley to schedule a H/H with Chicago St starting in 2015-16 may or may not have anything to do with its budget.
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(06-14-2017 08:33 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 03:54 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 03:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why on earth play at Chicago St?? Obviously would make sense as a "warm-up" game, but at home.

Sheesh ... I doubt I would park my car and/or walk around south Chicago ...

Their arena is a gem.

Yep.
http://www.gocsucougars.com/sports/2013/...aspx?id=74

I didn't know they had 8 locker rooms. They could probably hosts a few tournaments or High School playoffs.

That thing should have been built in Houston for UH. It'd go to better use.

That's a good arena even for a major who doesn't emphasize basketball. Sometimes, it's not about the size...the way it's built can make the place quite menacing; if Chicago State was a good program with a supportive fanbase, they'd be on top of you.
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The only thing I know about CSU is, they seem to be very poor. If you are very poor you don't spend money on extraneous expenses, like Div. 1 athletics. If you are very poor you focus on academics and stuff like paying the light bill. To sum it up, Very poor no Div. 1 athletics. That is all.
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