Why would it end the classics?

(04-15-2017 12:32 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 08:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  ... Not many poor kids can go to VoTech because they have some type of disabilities ...

WTF are you talking about? You seem to be saying being poor means you have some kind of disability. Care to explain this statement? Better yet back it up with some evidence

There are kids in poor family can't go to VoTech to learn a trade. Mostly they have to do other jobs which means mostly office some for many who can't do heavy lifting and all that.

(04-14-2017 10:18 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  A move to FBS football is not realistic for HBCU schools unless they move up as a group. Even then, they'd be nothing more than a paycheck game...which may not be a bad idea since they wouldn't have a realistic shot at a national title one way or another.

Tennessee State might be the only one that could have a winning record in FBS since they are not in a HBCU conference. I think Bethune-Cookman was the last HBCU that beat an FBS team. I believe it was one of the F_U schools.

(04-15-2017 06:54 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 10:18 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  A move to FBS football is not realistic for HBCU schools unless they move up as a group. Even then, they'd be nothing more than a paycheck game...which may not be a bad idea since they wouldn't have a realistic shot at a national title one way or another.

Tennessee State might be the only one that could have a winning record in FBS since they are not in a HBCU conference. I think Bethune-Cookman was the last HBCU that beat an FBS team. I believe it was one of the F_U schools.

What? Please explain your logic here. And A&T was the last HBCU to beat an FBS squad and that was last year.

(04-14-2017 04:39 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  Auburn was "marketed' to "Over The Mountain" kids as a place with the same type of demographics that they were accustomed to in high school. Auburn has been criticized for missing out on college fairs held by The Birmingham City and Montgomery City Schools but will never miss an opportunity to go there to get the back athlete out of those same school systems. Alabama catches hell for is racial past and its current racial climate but their black student population has ALWAYS been higher than Auburn's. If you look across the state, Troy, UAB, UNA, West Alabama and others have al done a better job of recruiting black students than Auburn has.

Well, regardless if Auburn avoids having reps talk to black students as much as possible, they can't discriminate against black applicants. (Not suggesting they do, either)

But if it has a reputation as a "white frat bros" college, then I can see why black high school students avoid going there like the plague.

(04-14-2017 05:05 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They educate a group of kids that would otherwise have no other opportunities. That should be continued.

That gets back to the "two different paths" for HBCUs, should they serve the public education mission or should they serve the "black college experience" mission?

I'm fine with either, but don't think the latter deserves public funding.

(04-14-2017 11:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Is the mistake being made by the board of regents or by the black population of Georgia for not taking academics seriously?

I mean the black kid that grew up on the farm down the street from me and our farm ended up going to Harvard on a full ride and became a lawyer and now judge because he knew his best chance off the farm was academics. I can't think of a black peer in high school, male or female, who took academics seriously who hasn't succeeded.

I can easily buy, especially in poorer, rural counties in the south, that black culture there simply does not advocate for education as a way forward in life. Which is extremely unfortunate.

(04-15-2017 10:11 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 04:39 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  Auburn was "marketed' to "Over The Mountain" kids as a place with the same type of demographics that they were accustomed to in high school. Auburn has been criticized for missing out on college fairs held by The Birmingham City and Montgomery City Schools but will never miss an opportunity to go there to get the back athlete out of those same school systems. Alabama catches hell for is racial past and its current racial climate but their black student population has ALWAYS been higher than Auburn's. If you look across the state, Troy, UAB, UNA, West Alabama and others have al done a better job of recruiting black students than Auburn has.

Well, regardless if Auburn avoids having reps talk to black students as much as possible, they can't discriminate against black applicants. (Not suggesting they do, either)

But if it has a reputation as a "white frat bros" college, then I can see why black high school students avoid going there like the plague.

(04-14-2017 05:05 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They educate a group of kids that would otherwise have no other opportunities. That should be continued.

That gets back to the "two different paths" for HBCUs, should they serve the public education mission or should they serve the "black college experience" mission?

I'm fine with either, but don't think the latter deserves public funding.

(04-14-2017 11:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Is the mistake being made by the board of regents or by the black population of Georgia for not taking academics seriously?

I mean the black kid that grew up on the farm down the street from me and our farm ended up going to Harvard on a full ride and became a lawyer and now judge because he knew his best chance off the farm was academics. I can't think of a black peer in high school, male or female, who took academics seriously who hasn't succeeded.

I can easily buy, especially in poorer, rural counties in the south, that black culture there simply does not advocate for education as a way forward in life. Which is extremely unfortunate.

I put little stock in the idea of a "black educational experience." I don't see it as much as a culture as I do a marketing line.

They are schools of last resort, for the most part, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Speaking just for Alabama, they have a place for kids and that's a useful place for the state, even if the leadership are wrong about their mission etc.

(04-15-2017 08:07 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 06:54 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 10:18 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  A move to FBS football is not realistic for HBCU schools unless they move up as a group. Even then, they'd be nothing more than a paycheck game...which may not be a bad idea since they wouldn't have a realistic shot at a national title one way or another.

Tennessee State might be the only one that could have a winning record in FBS since they are not in a HBCU conference. I think Bethune-Cookman was the last HBCU that beat an FBS team. I believe it was one of the F_U schools.

What? Please explain your logic here. And A&T was the last HBCU to beat an FBS squad and that was last year.

Tennessee State competes in a much stronger OVC than a MEAC and SWAC schools. They are the only HBCU in the OVC. Sometimes they are competitive. If they ever move up to FBS one day? Could we see a cross town rivalry between them and Vanderbilt in all sports? It would be like UCLA VS USC. It could be a lot of money for the town of Nashville.

I would like to save Jackson State to stay in D1. They do play in a stadium that is FBS ready, but need some work down. I wonder if they do get an offer from an FBS conference? Would the city and local businesses along with donations from Alum to help upgrade the stadium to be better for them to play in? I know local businesses have donated to local schools for stadiums upgrade and all that. Look at UAB for an instant?

(04-15-2017 08:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:07 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 06:54 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 10:18 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  A move to FBS football is not realistic for HBCU schools unless they move up as a group. Even then, they'd be nothing more than a paycheck game...which may not be a bad idea since they wouldn't have a realistic shot at a national title one way or another.

Tennessee State might be the only one that could have a winning record in FBS since they are not in a HBCU conference. I think Bethune-Cookman was the last HBCU that beat an FBS team. I believe it was one of the F_U schools.

What? Please explain your logic here. And A&T was the last HBCU to beat an FBS squad and that was last year.

Tennessee State competes in a much stronger OVC than a MEAC and SWAC schools. They are the only HBCU in the OVC. Sometimes they are competitive. If they ever move up to FBS one day? Could we see a cross town rivalry between them and Vanderbilt in all sports? It would be like UCLA VS USC. It could be a lot of money for the town of Nashville.

I would like to save Jackson State to stay in D1. They do play in a stadium that is FBS ready, but need some work down. I wonder if they do get an offer from an FBS conference? Would the city and local businesses along with donations from Alum to help upgrade the stadium to be better for them to play in? I know local businesses have donated to local schools for stadiums upgrade and all that. Look at UAB for an instant?

TSU may compete in the OVC but they're not one of the top HBCU football programs. They've lost their last series with A&T, Bethune-Cookman, and Southern, and they've split a game piece with us. Sure they dominated Jackson State, Arkansas Pine Bluff, and FAMU as of late but who hasn't. You're talking TSU up like they're some sort of world beater. I'll give them credit, they're pumping out some NFL prospects right now but thats not translating to wins.

(04-16-2017 07:04 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:07 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 06:54 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 10:18 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  A move to FBS football is not realistic for HBCU schools unless they move up as a group. Even then, they'd be nothing more than a paycheck game...which may not be a bad idea since they wouldn't have a realistic shot at a national title one way or another.

Tennessee State might be the only one that could have a winning record in FBS since they are not in a HBCU conference. I think Bethune-Cookman was the last HBCU that beat an FBS team. I believe it was one of the F_U schools.

What? Please explain your logic here. And A&T was the last HBCU to beat an FBS squad and that was last year.

Tennessee State competes in a much stronger OVC than a MEAC and SWAC schools. They are the only HBCU in the OVC. Sometimes they are competitive. If they ever move up to FBS one day? Could we see a cross town rivalry between them and Vanderbilt in all sports? It would be like UCLA VS USC. It could be a lot of money for the town of Nashville.

I would like to save Jackson State to stay in D1. They do play in a stadium that is FBS ready, but need some work down. I wonder if they do get an offer from an FBS conference? Would the city and local businesses along with donations from Alum to help upgrade the stadium to be better for them to play in? I know local businesses have donated to local schools for stadiums upgrade and all that. Look at UAB for an instant?

TSU may compete in the OVC but they're not one of the top HBCU football programs. They've lost their last series with A&T, Bethune-Cookman, and Southern, and they've split a game piece with us. Sure they dominated Jackson State, Arkansas Pine Bluff, and FAMU as of late but who hasn't. You're talking TSU up like they're some sort of world beater. I'll give them credit, they're pumping out some NFL prospects right now but thats not translating to wins.

They have played well against Jacksonville State lately. That is hard to do when Jacksonville State is a P5 killer in football at times.

(04-16-2017 05:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 07:04 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:07 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 06:54 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Tennessee State might be the only one that could have a winning record in FBS since they are not in a HBCU conference. I think Bethune-Cookman was the last HBCU that beat an FBS team. I believe it was one of the F_U schools.

What? Please explain your logic here. And A&T was the last HBCU to beat an FBS squad and that was last year.

Tennessee State competes in a much stronger OVC than a MEAC and SWAC schools. They are the only HBCU in the OVC. Sometimes they are competitive. If they ever move up to FBS one day? Could we see a cross town rivalry between them and Vanderbilt in all sports? It would be like UCLA VS USC. It could be a lot of money for the town of Nashville.

I would like to save Jackson State to stay in D1. They do play in a stadium that is FBS ready, but need some work down. I wonder if they do get an offer from an FBS conference? Would the city and local businesses along with donations from Alum to help upgrade the stadium to be better for them to play in? I know local businesses have donated to local schools for stadiums upgrade and all that. Look at UAB for an instant?

TSU may compete in the OVC but they're not one of the top HBCU football programs. They've lost their last series with A&T, Bethune-Cookman, and Southern, and they've split a game piece with us. Sure they dominated Jackson State, Arkansas Pine Bluff, and FAMU as of late but who hasn't. You're talking TSU up like they're some sort of world beater. I'll give them credit, they're pumping out some NFL prospects right now but thats not translating to wins.

They have played well against Jacksonville State lately. That is hard to do when Jacksonville State is a P5 killer in football at times.

WOW!

A little research goes a long way, Jax State is no P5 killer. JSU has a 2-10 record vs P5 with wins in 1948 and 2010.

(04-15-2017 06:52 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 12:32 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 08:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  ... Not many poor kids can go to VoTech because they have some type of disabilities ...

WTF are you talking about? You seem to be saying being poor means you have some kind of disability. Care to explain this statement? Better yet back it up with some evidence

There are kids in poor family can't go to VoTech to learn a trade. Mostly they have to do other jobs which means mostly office some for many who can't do heavy lifting and all that.

So, a person is poor therefore they have a bad back and is disabled? A lot of office jobs require a college education. Please explain what you are trying to say and include current evidence.

(04-14-2017 07:03 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Welcome to the SWAC Bethune-Cookman and Florida A&M. This would hurt the two Florida schools since Savannah State was the only MEAC school close to them.

Savannah State is just getting a head start on the rest of the MEAC.

I agree FAMU, BCU, and SC State should join the SWAC. Arkansas Pine Bluff will probably drop to D2 as well.

If the MEAC loses enough schools to where there aren't enough for both the MEAC and SWAC to survive, it would actually make more sense for the remaining SWAC schools to join the MEAC. The SWAC could then foster a split of the bloated Southland - it would probably keep Texas Southern, Prairie View, Grambling, and Southern (if they all survive) but they could then grab four other schools to keep the SWAC's autobid alive. The new SWAC and Southland would be splitting each bid 8-10 ways instead of as many as 13 ways.

(04-16-2017 06:23 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 05:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 07:04 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:07 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  What? Please explain your logic here. And A&T was the last HBCU to beat an FBS squad and that was last year.

Tennessee State competes in a much stronger OVC than a MEAC and SWAC schools. They are the only HBCU in the OVC. Sometimes they are competitive. If they ever move up to FBS one day? Could we see a cross town rivalry between them and Vanderbilt in all sports? It would be like UCLA VS USC. It could be a lot of money for the town of Nashville.

I would like to save Jackson State to stay in D1. They do play in a stadium that is FBS ready, but need some work down. I wonder if they do get an offer from an FBS conference? Would the city and local businesses along with donations from Alum to help upgrade the stadium to be better for them to play in? I know local businesses have donated to local schools for stadiums upgrade and all that. Look at UAB for an instant?

TSU may compete in the OVC but they're not one of the top HBCU football programs. They've lost their last series with A&T, Bethune-Cookman, and Southern, and they've split a game piece with us. Sure they dominated Jackson State, Arkansas Pine Bluff, and FAMU as of late but who hasn't. You're talking TSU up like they're some sort of world beater. I'll give them credit, they're pumping out some NFL prospects right now but thats not translating to wins.

They have played well against Jacksonville State lately. That is hard to do when Jacksonville State is a P5 killer in football at times.

WOW!

A little research goes a long way, Jax State is no P5 killer. JSU has a 2-10 record vs P5 with wins in 1948 and 2010.

They're a pest though. They had Auburn beat.

(04-16-2017 06:23 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 05:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 07:04 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:07 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  What? Please explain your logic here. And A&T was the last HBCU to beat an FBS squad and that was last year.

Tennessee State competes in a much stronger OVC than a MEAC and SWAC schools. They are the only HBCU in the OVC. Sometimes they are competitive. If they ever move up to FBS one day? Could we see a cross town rivalry between them and Vanderbilt in all sports? It would be like UCLA VS USC. It could be a lot of money for the town of Nashville.

I would like to save Jackson State to stay in D1. They do play in a stadium that is FBS ready, but need some work down. I wonder if they do get an offer from an FBS conference? Would the city and local businesses along with donations from Alum to help upgrade the stadium to be better for them to play in? I know local businesses have donated to local schools for stadiums upgrade and all that. Look at UAB for an instant?

TSU may compete in the OVC but they're not one of the top HBCU football programs. They've lost their last series with A&T, Bethune-Cookman, and Southern, and they've split a game piece with us. Sure they dominated Jackson State, Arkansas Pine Bluff, and FAMU as of late but who hasn't. You're talking TSU up like they're some sort of world beater. I'll give them credit, they're pumping out some NFL prospects right now but thats not translating to wins.

They have played well against Jacksonville State lately. That is hard to do when Jacksonville State is a P5 killer in football at times.

WOW!

A little research goes a long way, Jax State is no P5 killer. JSU has a 2-10 record vs P5 with wins in 1948 and 2010.

Beating an SEC team that everybody say that the SEC is the best conference top to bottom during 2010 makes them a P5 killer. They almost killed Auburn as well. Anybody taken down the all mighty SEC schools in football gets my vote for FBS status.

(04-14-2017 11:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 04:46 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 04:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 03:36 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  Auburn was a bad example. Auburn is notorious for having a small black student population. Auburn's black student population is 7%. Both ASU and A&M have white student populations greater than that.

A state with 26% black population, and the land-grant flagship public school only has 7% black students???

Maybe when you look at the number of Alabama high school students apply to college, the % of black students in that pool drops dramatically?? But I agree, on its face without further investigation, that number seems pathetic.

Oh, I have another example for you.
African American population of Georgia as of 2010 - 30.5%
UGA - 7.5%
GT - 7.5%
GaSouthen - 26.5%
GSU - 40%

This is no mistake by the board of regents either.

Is the mistake being made by the board of regents or by the black population of Georgia for not taking academics seriously?

I mean the black kid that grew up on the farm down the street from me and our farm ended up going to Harvard on a full ride and became a lawyer and now judge because he knew his best chance off the farm was academics. I can't think of a black peer in high school, male or female, who took academics seriously who hasn't succeeded.

At some point the black population of this country needs to quit blaming everything on slavery and Jim Crow and take a deep look at their own culture.

WHOA! "the black population of this country needs to quit blaming everything on slavery and Jim Crow and take a deep look at their own culture", that's quite a loaded statement. Let's look at this UGA mission statement first:
"dedicated to serving a diverse and well-prepared student body, to promoting high levels of student achievement, and to providing appropriate academic support services"...
"Through its programs and practices, it seeks to foster the understanding of and respect for cultural differences necessary for an enlightened and educated citizenry. It further provides for cultural, ethnic, gender, and racial diversity in the faculty, staff, and student body."
http://www.uga.edu/profile/mission/

http://news.uga.edu/releases/article/uga...s-program/
This article says they've been trying for years but they're having a hard time getting black males to enroll. Only 3% at the time of this article. So how can a flagship university, with grants and departments designed to promote diversity only fill 3% of their student body from African American males in a state that is 1/3 black? Again, on the football field they practice what they preach. Pretty sure academic standards hasn't kept a 4 or 5 star prospect from enrolling in quite some time.
You can believe what you want and you can say what you want, but it doesn't make it the truth. If these institutions of higher learning wanted to be representative of their state they could be doing a lot more to reflect it.
Why is it GS and GSU have the solution to serving more diverse student populations but UGA can't figure it out? It doesn't keep out athletes. Either people are being naive or you fail to admit that it is possible that institutional discrimination still exist out there. GPA's and SAT's are important when they choose for them to be important.

(04-17-2017 06:49 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 11:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 04:46 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 04:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 03:36 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  Auburn was a bad example. Auburn is notorious for having a small black student population. Auburn's black student population is 7%. Both ASU and A&M have white student populations greater than that.

A state with 26% black population, and the land-grant flagship public school only has 7% black students???

Maybe when you look at the number of Alabama high school students apply to college, the % of black students in that pool drops dramatically?? But I agree, on its face without further investigation, that number seems pathetic.

Oh, I have another example for you.
African American population of Georgia as of 2010 - 30.5%
UGA - 7.5%
GT - 7.5%
GaSouthen - 26.5%
GSU - 40%

This is no mistake by the board of regents either.

Is the mistake being made by the board of regents or by the black population of Georgia for not taking academics seriously?

I mean the black kid that grew up on the farm down the street from me and our farm ended up going to Harvard on a full ride and became a lawyer and now judge because he knew his best chance off the farm was academics. I can't think of a black peer in high school, male or female, who took academics seriously who hasn't succeeded.

At some point the black population of this country needs to quit blaming everything on slavery and Jim Crow and take a deep look at their own culture.

WHOA! "the black population of this country needs to quit blaming everything on slavery and Jim Crow and take a deep look at their own culture", that's quite a loaded statement. Let's look at this UGA mission statement first:
"dedicated to serving a diverse and well-prepared student body, to promoting high levels of student achievement, and to providing appropriate academic support services"...
"Through its programs and practices, it seeks to foster the understanding of and respect for cultural differences necessary for an enlightened and educated citizenry. It further provides for cultural, ethnic, gender, and racial diversity in the faculty, staff, and student body."
http://www.uga.edu/profile/mission/

http://news.uga.edu/releases/article/uga...s-program/
This article says they've been trying for years but they're having a hard time getting black males to enroll. Only 3% at the time of this article. So how can a flagship university, with grants and departments designed to promote diversity only fill 3% of their student body from African American males in a state that is 1/3 black? Again, on the football field they practice what they preach. Pretty sure academic standards hasn't kept a 4 or 5 star prospect from enrolling in quite some time.
You can believe what you want and you can say what you want, but it doesn't make it the truth. If these institutions of higher learning wanted to be representative of their state they could be doing a lot more to reflect it.
Why is it GS and GSU have the solution to serving more diverse student populations but UGA can't figure it out? It doesn't keep out athletes. Either people are being naive or you fail to admit that it is possible that institutional discrimination still exist out there. GPA's and SAT's are important when they choose for them to be important.

By taking less qualified candidates...

There is a simple disconnect here and it has little to do with an overtly racist policy. That is the difference between the average ACT/SAT scores of the population and the scores that make one competitive for admission to UGA.

What you are asking UGA to do is damage itself for an ideological reason.

You can look at the common data sets and see that very few black males come even close to the 25th percentile range in this scores. That's a problem the University cannot fix.

(04-17-2017 10:11 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  What you are asking UGA to do is damage itself for an ideological reason.

You can look at the common data sets and see that very few black males come even close to the 25th percentile range in this scores. That's a problem the University cannot fix.

Well, HOD ... not that I think you should believe in the idea ... and not even sure that I believe it fully myself ...

... but there is such a thing as affirmative action.


The easy to understand concept, on paper at least, is that a particular black student may actually be very gifted in academics, but because he belongs to a suppressed racial culture, was disadvantaged compared to his white counterpart. So if there could just be a first step, that breaks the cycle ... you know how the song goes.

(04-17-2017 10:17 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 10:11 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  What you are asking UGA to do is damage itself for an ideological reason.

You can look at the common data sets and see that very few black males come even close to the 25th percentile range in this scores. That's a problem the University cannot fix.

Well, HOD ... not that I think you should believe in the idea ... and not even sure that I believe it fully myself ...

... but there is such a thing as affirmative action.

There are limits to it.

I don't think anybody doubts that UGA, and most other major universities, practice AA.

The problem is that for every person with a 17 ACT you let in you must admit somebody with a 30 or else your scores skew downward which hurts the rankings which draw in the kids.

Imagine what would happen to UGA if you suddenly shifted the 25th percentile to the average of a Deep South HBCU. UGA's bottom 25th would skew down 7-8 points. That's the difference between a top 30% test taker and a bottom 15%.

However, that is a bit outside the original point, which is that numbers are low because the number of competitive applicants are low.

Of course, that is right.

And maybe that gets us back to the "black college experience", in helping to break the cycle of a culture that says college isn't important or required.

(04-17-2017 10:26 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Of course, that is right.

And maybe that gets us back to the "black college experience", in helping to break the cycle of a culture that says college isn't important or required.

I think my position is probably more liberal than yours on that.

I think the "black college experience" is fine at a school that allows these kids to get an education, an HBCU, while not having to damage other schools. That serves the purpose you mentioned in your prior post by giving these kids who would otherwise have no options a chance at a college education.

I think there is room for vast improvement at HBCUs but it is going to come in other ways outside of ACT score averages.