(02-17-2017 04:36 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I'm sick of you commenting on this.

your attitude is: "as long as it they get it in the end...it doesn't matter if it took 14 hours at a DMV and two months."

Pfft, like I care what you think? Put up or shut up. Show me where I've suggested any such thing.

MY 'attitude' is very clear...
a) having an ID is beneficial in many ways on top of voting... whether or not we have voter ID, we should get everyone an ID.
b) We're not talking about that many people
c) the resources spent fighting over such things would be better spent addressing the issues that some legitimately have... INCLUDING (but not limited to) the amount of time it currently takes to get an ID.

Get people IDs at school when they turn 16. Get people IDs at government offices. Manage 'get out the ID' drives with mobile ID centers. There's no reason you HAVE to use DMV to get a state ID... It's just that they're already doing it for probably 90% of the population.

Making sure everyone has a valid ID is a public service.

THAT is MY attitude.... and you can't argue with that, so you tell lies and argue with those.

(02-17-2017 05:04 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 05:02 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:27 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  One of the arguments against requiring IDs to vote has been that people who were born back in the early to Mid 1900s might've been born at home, particularly in rural areas and not received a birth certificate. This has been a legitimate issue in cases of true problems obtaining an ID.

But this is rare across the entire population and will be even rarer as those people who were born at home with no birth certificate are now elderly and will pass away. (And if these same people were in the service, are using Medicare or collecting social security they had to prove who they were at some point.)

There is no insurmountable hurdle to obtain an ID in reality. Requiring it would create a burden for a minuscule number of people but would help legitimize voters.

BTW I took my 83 yr old mother to get her State ID 3 weeks ago... it took 18 mins on a Saturday morning at the bmv to get it. She needs it to vote and to collect winnings at the casinos. It cost a whopping $8.95.

If liberals think requiring ID is a big problem hindering someone's constitutional right to vote then they should be organizing to help the few citizens who don't have IDs get IDs. And I am certain for those rare people who don't have a birth certificate that a work around can be created to prove who they are.

#redherring

My 83-year-old father was born on a farm and has no birth certificate. He's had an ID his entire adult life.

Do you know what the process is in a case like that? Ive always wondered.

There are other ways but each state's department of health and vital statistics takes care of that. You have to open the komono and get them all your information. They verify the information you give them and can issue a certificate of live birth based on the information you've provided. The only way this works is if you have a track record of where you've lived who you are related to and can verify that information.

This is very rare anymore to my knowledge. The government keeps pretty good tabs nowadays on who is born where and when.

People who don't have IDs are just lazy and want an excuse for not getting one.

(02-17-2017 02:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Does anyone that posts here not have an ID or know anyone that does not have one? Im trying to find one of these people and want to help them.

a few old black ladies, but I'm sure the DNC would take them to get one if it was a requirement.

(02-17-2017 02:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Does anyone that posts here not have an ID or know anyone that does not have one? Im trying to find one of these people and want to help them.

In a career of over 20 years in public safety the only people we ever encountered who did not have some sort of official ID were illegal aliens.

(02-17-2017 04:36 PM)john01992 Wrote:  and what do you say about the following:

1. currently voter impersonation is a non-existent problem whereas more common forms of voter fraud are being completely ignored by the GOP.

2. that the western democracies don't have laws like these and that generally speaking the more "third world" a country is the tougher the voter verification laws are?

3. that republicans are passing a law that is clearly so politically biased and intended to gain an election day advantage.

4. that studies prove these laws have an impact on turnout.

5. that the GOP is trying to hinder voter turnout not encourage it.

None true. Except 4. Of course it has an impact on illegals voting.

Hell fire, set up a damn id station at the polls. Goofballs can vote but can't get an id. What a complete crock of ish

(02-17-2017 05:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 02:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Does anyone that posts here not have an ID or know anyone that does not have one? Im trying to find one of these people and want to help them.

In a career of over 20 years in public safety the only people we ever encountered who did not have some sort of official ID were illegal aliens.

Most of them have official ID now. Unfortunately, it belongs to some other identity-theft victim.

(02-17-2017 04:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:40 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The type of people who don't have ID are the type that you rarely see interact with the demographics of this forum.

Quite the assumption you've made there.

I doubt anyone here was born and raised in an inner city and never left. Also if you are on a college sports forum talking politics chances are you are quite self sustaining.

Where are more resources located for getting an ID? Inner city or out in the middle of nowhere?

ask alabama who shut down DMVs in black areas after creating a voter ID law.

They shut down driving testing centers. You can still get your license renewed or a valid government ID at the county courthouse. Some counties only have like 100 people a year taking a driving test, so they shut down those offices.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/10..._to_c.html

(02-17-2017 04:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:04 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:40 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I doubt anyone here was born and raised in an inner city and never left. Also if you are on a college sports forum talking politics chances are you are quite self sustaining.

Where are more resources located for getting an ID? Inner city or out in the middle of nowhere?

ask alabama who shut down DMVs in black areas after creating a voter ID law.

And if true, that's wrong and I am opposed to it.

I oppose that also.

http://www.snopes.com/2015/10/01/alabama...s-license/ I believe this is what John was talking about.

(02-17-2017 03:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The type of people who don't have ID are the type that you rarely see interact with the demographics of this forum.

So your answer is no?

I agree with him, most on this board are not people that interact with people with no ID whatsoever.

And yes, the answer is no for me.

(02-17-2017 03:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:03 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I knew a few in college.

They both grew up in Cleveland and never learnt how to drive, as they relied on public transportation to get around.

Granted, the two people I knew both ended up getting an ID right around the time of their 21st birthday, for obvious reasons.

I bet they had a college ID.

Cant use that to vote in Texas. You can, however, use a CCL....Coincidence....I think not.

(02-18-2017 06:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:03 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I knew a few in college.

They both grew up in Cleveland and never learnt how to drive, as they relied on public transportation to get around.

Granted, the two people I knew both ended up getting an ID right around the time of their 21st birthday, for obvious reasons.

I bet they had a college ID.

Cant use that to vote in Texas. You can, however, use a CCL....Coincidence....I think not.

Well yeah.... The CCL is issued by the state and meets state requirements... Elections are run by the state.... The student ID is issued by the college and usually doesn't contain ANY of the state requirements.

If you'd like to go to the expense of having colleges upgrade their IDs to meet state guidelines, including a searchable database... I'd be up for that... but something tells me you'll come up with another issue. Coincidence? I think not.

FTR, everyone enrolled in college who is eligible to vote would have no problem producing the documents required for a state ID if they don't already have one.... which almost all of them do.