(02-17-2017 03:36 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:24 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The type of people who don't have ID are the type that you rarely see interact with the demographics of this forum.

That was my first thought. Most here have been to college and participate in the mainstream of American life.

Still, when you ask the question of "How many people in the US NEVER have a need for ID other than voting?" ........that has to be a very, very small number.

I think it's someone who is dirt poor, takes public transport to work and uses a payday loan center to cash his paycheck.

The number is 11% who don't have the IDs.

Why can't they go get an ID if there's public transport available to them?

(02-17-2017 03:40 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The type of people who don't have ID are the type that you rarely see interact with the demographics of this forum.

Quite the assumption you've made there.

I doubt anyone here was born and raised in an inner city and never left. Also if you are on a college sports forum talking politics chances are you are quite self sustaining.

Where are more resources located for getting an ID? Inner city or out in the middle of nowhere?

ask alabama who shut down DMVs in black areas after creating a voter ID law.

(02-17-2017 03:30 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:25 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:03 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  I knew a few in college.

They both grew up in Cleveland and never learnt how to drive, as they relied on public transportation to get around.

Granted, the two people I knew both ended up getting an ID right around the time of their 21st birthday, for obvious reasons.

They didn't have a college ID?

See post #9

Yea, I read on.

But actually, the OP said anyone that didn't have an ID. Not an ID to vote, so whatever that's worth.

(02-17-2017 04:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:40 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The type of people who don't have ID are the type that you rarely see interact with the demographics of this forum.

Quite the assumption you've made there.

I doubt anyone here was born and raised in an inner city and never left. Also if you are on a college sports forum talking politics chances are you are quite self sustaining.

Where are more resources located for getting an ID? Inner city or out in the middle of nowhere?

ask alabama who shut down DMVs in black areas after creating a voter ID law.

How about places other than Alabama?

(02-17-2017 04:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:40 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The type of people who don't have ID are the type that you rarely see interact with the demographics of this forum.

Quite the assumption you've made there.

I doubt anyone here was born and raised in an inner city and never left. Also if you are on a college sports forum talking politics chances are you are quite self sustaining.

Where are more resources located for getting an ID? Inner city or out in the middle of nowhere?

ask alabama who shut down DMVs in black areas after creating a voter ID law.

And if true, that's wrong and I am opposed to it.

(02-17-2017 04:03 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:40 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Quite the assumption you've made there.

I doubt anyone here was born and raised in an inner city and never left. Also if you are on a college sports forum talking politics chances are you are quite self sustaining.

Where are more resources located for getting an ID? Inner city or out in the middle of nowhere?

ask alabama who shut down DMVs in black areas after creating a voter ID law.

How about places other than Alabama?

you think kids who grew up with the most dysfunctional family setting possible were gracious to have parents who preserved things like their SS card or birth certificate?

(02-17-2017 04:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:03 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:40 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I doubt anyone here was born and raised in an inner city and never left. Also if you are on a college sports forum talking politics chances are you are quite self sustaining.

Where are more resources located for getting an ID? Inner city or out in the middle of nowhere?

ask alabama who shut down DMVs in black areas after creating a voter ID law.

How about places other than Alabama?

you think kids who grew up with the most dysfunctional family setting possible were gracious to have parents who preserved things like their SS card or birth certificate?

there are other ways. fwiw.... this is Birmingham.



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(02-17-2017 04:06 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:03 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:40 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Where are more resources located for getting an ID? Inner city or out in the middle of nowhere?

ask alabama who shut down DMVs in black areas after creating a voter ID law.

How about places other than Alabama?

you think kids who grew up with the most dysfunctional family setting possible were gracious to have parents who preserved things like their SS card or birth certificate?

there are other ways. fwiw.... this is Birmingham.



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now google the hours of each one.

also they were forced to reopen the dmvs FWIW

(02-17-2017 04:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  now google the hours of each one.

also they were forced to reopen the dmvs FWIW

ALL open until at least 4 pm 5 days per week. Don't believe me, check the link and click on each option they've got in Birmingham.

There's about 260 working days per year and 2 years between elections. Why can't they make time to sort out their ID issues over the course of 520 working days?

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=ch...:1,lf_ui:2



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I've only known one. And the reason he didn't is he had been on the run from the law for seven years for an outstanding warrant that he jumped bail on. When he went back to face the music he got an ID and was able to start living like a normal citizen again.

One of the arguments against requiring IDs to vote has been that people who were born back in the early to Mid 1900s might've been born at home, particularly in rural areas and not received a birth certificate. This has been a legitimate issue in cases of true problems obtaining an ID.

But this is rare across the entire population and will be even rarer as those people who were born at home with no birth certificate are now elderly and will pass away. (And if these same people were in the service, are using Medicare or collecting social security they had to prove who they were at some point.)

There is no insurmountable hurdle to obtain an ID in reality. Requiring it would create a burden for a minuscule number of people but would help legitimize voters.

BTW I took my 83 yr old mother to get her State ID 3 weeks ago... it took 18 mins on a Saturday morning at the bmv to get it. She needs it to vote and to collect winnings at the casinos. It cost a whopping $8.95.

If liberals think requiring ID is a big problem hindering someone's constitutional right to vote then they should be organizing to help the few citizens who don't have IDs get IDs. And I am certain for those rare people who don't have a birth certificate that a work around can be created to prove who they are.

#redherring

(02-17-2017 04:27 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  One of the arguments against requiring IDs to vote has been that people who were born back in the early to Mid 1900s might've been born at home, particularly in rural areas and not received a birth certificate. This has been a legitimate issue in cases of true problems obtaining an ID.

But this is rare across the entire population and will be even rarer as those people who were born at home with no birth certificate are now elderly and will pass away. (And if these same people were in the service, are using Medicare or collecting social security they had to prove who they were at some point.)

There is no insurmountable hurdle to obtain an ID in reality. Requiring it would create a burden for a minuscule number of people but would help legitimize voters.

BTW I took my 83 yr old mother to get her State ID 3 weeks ago... it took 18 mins on a Saturday morning at the bmv to get it. She needs it to vote and to collect winnings at the casinos. It cost a whopping $8.95.

If liberals think requiring ID is a big problem hindering someone's constitutional right to vote then they should be organizing to help the few citizens who don't have IDs get IDs. And I am certain for those rare people who don't have a birth certificate that a work around can be created to prove who they are.

#redherring

and what do you say about the following:

1. currently voter impersonation is a non-existent problem whereas more common forms of voter fraud are being completely ignored by the GOP.

2. that the western democracies don't have laws like these and that generally speaking the more "third world" a country is the tougher the voter verification laws are?

3. that republicans are passing a law that is clearly so politically biased and intended to gain an election day advantage.

4. that studies prove these laws have an impact on turnout.

5. that the GOP is trying to hinder voter turnout not encourage it.

(02-17-2017 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The type of people who don't have ID are the type that you rarely see interact with the demographics of this forum.

Quite the assumption you've made there.

I doubt anyone here was born and raised in an inner city and never left. Also if you are on a college sports forum talking politics chances are you are quite self sustaining.

Can you name one such person?

The last time this issue came before the Supreme court, they couldn't produce one single such person.

I'm not denying they exist... I am quite certain they do... they're just not the thousands, much less millions that are always implied by 'studies' on the issue.

People born and raised and living in the inner city should be quite easy to provide the information and resources to get them an ID. It's the people living in the boonies who were born at home that will have a problem.

(02-17-2017 04:38 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The type of people who don't have ID are the type that you rarely see interact with the demographics of this forum.

Quite the assumption you've made there.

I doubt anyone here was born and raised in an inner city and never left. Also if you are on a college sports forum talking politics chances are you are quite self sustaining.

Can you name one such person?

The last time this issue came before the Supreme court, they couldn't produce one single such person.

I'm not denying they exist... I am quite certain they do... they're just not the thousands, much less millions that are always implied by 'studies' on the issue.

People born and raised and living in the inner city should be quite easy to provide the information and resources to get them an ID. It's the people living in the boonies who were born at home that will have a problem.

I'm sick of you commenting on this.

your attitude is: "as long as it they get it in the end...it doesn't matter if it took 14 hours at a DMV and two months."

(02-17-2017 04:04 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:40 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Quite the assumption you've made there.

I doubt anyone here was born and raised in an inner city and never left. Also if you are on a college sports forum talking politics chances are you are quite self sustaining.

Where are more resources located for getting an ID? Inner city or out in the middle of nowhere?

ask alabama who shut down DMVs in black areas after creating a voter ID law.

And if true, that's wrong and I am opposed to it.

I oppose that also.

(02-17-2017 04:38 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The type of people who don't have ID are the type that you rarely see interact with the demographics of this forum.

Quite the assumption you've made there.

I doubt anyone here was born and raised in an inner city and never left. Also if you are on a college sports forum talking politics chances are you are quite self sustaining.

Can you name one such person?

The last time this issue came before the Supreme court, they couldn't produce one single such person.

I'm not denying they exist... I am quite certain they do... they're just not the thousands, much less millions that are always implied by 'studies' on the issue.

People born and raised and living in the inner city should be quite easy to provide the information and resources to get them an ID. It's the people living in the boonies who were born at home that will have a problem.

The thing is... The statistics are misleading. The overwhelming majority of people that lack a state ID do so for their own reasons..not because some of some systematic plot or barrier to keep them from getting one. The number that cant get one because of some legal problem are extremely tiny...and that number is getting smaller..not bigger each year due to technology and record keeping.

Why do you think Latinos lead the statistic in not having an ID? I don't think it takes a genius to figure it out.

It is hardly third world countries that require ID. Ireland, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland all require an ID if identity is in doubt.

India and Canada require a non-photo ID.

Spain, France, Belgium, Greece, Italy and Mexico require a photo ID to vote.

(02-17-2017 04:52 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  It is hardly third world countries that require ID. Ireland, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland all require an ID if identity is in doubt.

India and Canada require a non-photo ID.

Spain, France, Belgium, Greece, Italy and Mexico require a photo ID to vote.

Mexicans can figure out how to get an ID and Americans can't? Really?

(02-17-2017 04:27 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  One of the arguments against requiring IDs to vote has been that people who were born back in the early to Mid 1900s might've been born at home, particularly in rural areas and not received a birth certificate. This has been a legitimate issue in cases of true problems obtaining an ID.

But this is rare across the entire population and will be even rarer as those people who were born at home with no birth certificate are now elderly and will pass away. (And if these same people were in the service, are using Medicare or collecting social security they had to prove who they were at some point.)

There is no insurmountable hurdle to obtain an ID in reality. Requiring it would create a burden for a minuscule number of people but would help legitimize voters.

BTW I took my 83 yr old mother to get her State ID 3 weeks ago... it took 18 mins on a Saturday morning at the bmv to get it. She needs it to vote and to collect winnings at the casinos. It cost a whopping $8.95.

If liberals think requiring ID is a big problem hindering someone's constitutional right to vote then they should be organizing to help the few citizens who don't have IDs get IDs. And I am certain for those rare people who don't have a birth certificate that a work around can be created to prove who they are.

#redherring

My 83-year-old father was born on a farm and has no birth certificate. He's had an ID his entire adult life.

(02-17-2017 05:02 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 04:27 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  One of the arguments against requiring IDs to vote has been that people who were born back in the early to Mid 1900s might've been born at home, particularly in rural areas and not received a birth certificate. This has been a legitimate issue in cases of true problems obtaining an ID.

But this is rare across the entire population and will be even rarer as those people who were born at home with no birth certificate are now elderly and will pass away. (And if these same people were in the service, are using Medicare or collecting social security they had to prove who they were at some point.)

There is no insurmountable hurdle to obtain an ID in reality. Requiring it would create a burden for a minuscule number of people but would help legitimize voters.

BTW I took my 83 yr old mother to get her State ID 3 weeks ago... it took 18 mins on a Saturday morning at the bmv to get it. She needs it to vote and to collect winnings at the casinos. It cost a whopping $8.95.

If liberals think requiring ID is a big problem hindering someone's constitutional right to vote then they should be organizing to help the few citizens who don't have IDs get IDs. And I am certain for those rare people who don't have a birth certificate that a work around can be created to prove who they are.

#redherring

My 83-year-old father was born on a farm and has no birth certificate. He's had an ID his entire adult life.

Do you know what the process is in a case like that? Ive always wondered.