(02-16-2017 01:52 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: Fine, most things. You knew what I meant, don't be obtuse. I need an ID to purchase alcohol but not to vote? Ridiculous.
no. in general it's an incorrect assertion.
no one is stopping me from buying beer because my license says John smith but the list says john j smith.
no one is stopping me from buying beer because the ID I used is expired.
then there is the more technical stuff like an airplane. you don't need an id to get on an airplane. a NYT reporter decided to test the system him/herself to see if it was possible (it was).
Regardless, buying beer required an ID.
So you are OK with beer needing an ID but not voting?
under a standard that was far less rigorous.
the fact that you want to ignore this point speaks volumes.
Voting is far more important than beer. Well, for most Americans. Based on your posting, I imagine Bud Light is your best friend.
the fact that you could put forward any point in this post I'm just gonna chalk this up as a win for myself. thanks for playing Mr. Norton.
(02-16-2017 01:58 PM)john01992 Wrote: no. in general it's an incorrect assertion.
no one is stopping me from buying beer because my license says John smith but the list says john j smith.
no one is stopping me from buying beer because the ID I used is expired.
then there is the more technical stuff like an airplane. you don't need an id to get on an airplane. a NYT reporter decided to test the system him/herself to see if it was possible (it was).
Regardless, buying beer required an ID.
So you are OK with beer needing an ID but not voting?
under a standard that was far less rigorous.
the fact that you want to ignore this point speaks volumes.
Voting is far more important than beer. Well, for most Americans. Based on your posting, I imagine Bud Light is your best friend.
the fact that you could put forward any point in this post I'm just gonna chalk this up as a win for myself. thanks for playing Mr. Norton.
Is voting more important than beer to you or not? Stop deflecting and answer the question.
RE: Do voter identification laws suppress minority voting? Yes. We did the research.
As someone who's moved alot over the years I think of the times I've had to produce ID...
Doctors visits.
Opening bank accounts.
Driving.
Buying firearms.
Buying alcohol.
Buying car insurance.
These are things off the top of my head.
Voting should be one. Many posters have claimed health care is a right. Well when I've been to the doctor and when I've picked up certain meds I had to show ID.
(02-16-2017 02:03 PM)john01992 Wrote: under a standard that was far less rigorous.
the fact that you want to ignore this point speaks volumes.
Voting is far more important than beer. Well, for most Americans. Based on your posting, I imagine Bud Light is your best friend.
the fact that you could put forward any point in this post I'm just gonna chalk this up as a win for myself. thanks for playing Mr. Norton.
Is voting more important than beer to you or not? Stop deflecting and answer the question.
that question is like asking if 2 + 2 = fish. rephrase it.
That is nothing wrong with the question. But so you will actually participate and stop whining: Why are you OK with ID for beer? But not OK with it for voting?
RE: Do voter identification laws suppress minority voting? Yes. We did the research.
(02-16-2017 02:37 PM)gdunn Wrote: As someone who's moved alot over the years I think of the times I've had to produce ID...
Doctors visits.
Opening bank accounts.
Driving.
Buying firearms.
Buying alcohol.
Buying car insurance.
These are things off the top of my head.
Voting should be one. Many posters have claimed health care is a right. Well when I've been to the doctor and when I've picked up certain meds I had to show ID.
RE: Do voter identification laws suppress minority voting? Yes. We did the research.
(02-16-2017 02:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:
(02-16-2017 02:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(02-16-2017 02:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:
(02-16-2017 02:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(02-16-2017 02:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote: Neither do the rights guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment.
so 20 something kids at Sandy Hook were killed by what then?
A mentally ill person who stole the weapons used.
what kind of weapons?
That has to be the most idiotic leap in logic you have ever made on here and by God that says a lot because you are a world class mental gymnast.
are you really that afraid to acknowledge a basic fact.
FFS you blame obama for not using the term radical islamic terror but you can't say the word gun when asking what kind of weapons are used in a school shooting?
(02-16-2017 02:21 PM)john01992 Wrote: so 20 something kids at Sandy Hook were killed by what then?
A mentally ill person who stole the weapons used.
what kind of weapons?
That has to be the most idiotic leap in logic you have ever made on here and by God that says a lot because you are a world class mental gymnast.
We could easily have a Top 100 countdown.
it's pathetic that you simply agree with him because he disagrees with me.
would you honestly say asking "what kind of weapon was used" in regards to a crime qualifies as a leap? common sense says no and you two are both avoiding the obvious fact that kap is afraid to say the term "gun" in this conversation.
RE: Do voter identification laws suppress minority voting? Yes. We did the research.
(02-16-2017 02:11 PM)fsquid Wrote: Just get an ID, not tough.
I think the argument in the past had been some are too poor to get an ID, or unable to go to get an ID...
This is an easy fix. If you just need an ID to vote, should be free.
But the pesky problem of how one travels to get one. Which I find baffling, because people can go to the store, doctors office, and vote but can't take time to get an ID.
RE: Do voter identification laws suppress minority voting? Yes. We did the research.
(02-16-2017 02:42 PM)gdunn Wrote:
(02-16-2017 02:11 PM)fsquid Wrote: Just get an ID, not tough.
I think the argument in the past had been some are too poor to get an ID, or unable to go to get an ID...
This is an easy fix. If you just need an ID to vote, should be free.
But the pesky problem of how one travels to get one. Which I find baffling, because people can go to the store, doctors office, and vote but can't take time to get an ID.
a lot of people only use public transport, payday loan centers, don't have a doc etc.
not to mention alabama closed DMVs in black neighborhoods right after passing a voter ID law.
the easy "fix" was to never have passed a law in the first place trying to find a solution to a non-existent problem. republicans knew that voter-impersonation fraud (the only kind of voter fraud that voter ID prevents) was by far the least common form of voter fraud.
RE: Do voter identification laws suppress minority voting? Yes. We did the research.
(02-16-2017 02:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(02-16-2017 02:42 PM)gdunn Wrote:
(02-16-2017 02:11 PM)fsquid Wrote: Just get an ID, not tough.
I think the argument in the past had been some are too poor to get an ID, or unable to go to get an ID...
This is an easy fix. If you just need an ID to vote, should be free.
But the pesky problem of how one travels to get one. Which I find baffling, because people can go to the store, doctors office, and vote but can't take time to get an ID.
a lot of people only use public transport, payday loan centers, don't have a doc etc.
not to mention alabama closed DMVs in black neighborhoods right after passing a voter ID law.
the easy "fix" was to never have passed a law in the first place trying to find a solution to a non-existent problem. republicans knew that voter-impersonation fraud (the only kind of voter fraud that voter ID prevents) was by far the least common form of voter fraud.
Oh Alabama closed DMVs in black neighborhoods?
Now I'm curious. Every state I've lived in has had one DMV in the county. It's usually I'm the county seat. So please tell me how many were shutdown....
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Do voter identification laws suppress minority voting? Yes. We did the research.
