RE: Trump is on the wrong side of civil asset forfeiture
(02-07-2017 09:36 PM)bullet Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:12 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote: I think President Trump is thinking like most people. Most people think if you are not convicted you get your property back. Most people don't think they could lose every penny in their pocket. Even the ATM card and the compete balance in that account. They think this because most people only think you lose those things if you are dealing dope.
But as I said earlier a bad hit by a drug sniffing dog and they can take it all. Yes even the money you have on your debit card. Then it's up to you to prove other wise. This happens more than most people think.
If your son sells his friend a joint and it's in your home....
you can lose it
If that dollar bill the cashier hands you back as change has been handle by someone else that transferred the oil (what ever) that tests for Pot. You can lose everything in your pocket, your car, your home. You don't even need to be charged with a crime. They can take your property and you still have to pay the bank for it.
The law needs changing. But as I said I doubt President Trump know anything about it..other than the government takes large sums of money and property from major dealers and mobs.
He really should get informed on the abuse of this law.
Can you give me an example of any of this happening?
Philadelphia Couple’s Home Seized After Son Arrested For Marijuana
n 2012, Leon and Mary Adams had their property seized because their son, Leon Jr., had allegedly been selling marijuana from their front porch without their knowledge. Though Leon Jr. was indeed charged with a crime, he was alleged to have sold very small quantities—a “few $20 marijuana deals”—and the couple had nothing to do with the criminal activity. Leon Jr. had not yet been convicted of the criminal activity when the police asserted that they would be seizing the property that had been the home of Leon and Mary Adams since 1966.
According to the Philadelphia Police Department, Leon Jr. had sold $20 worth of marijuana to a police informant on multiple occasions. After the first sale, the informant went to the porch of the Adams home on two more occasions to again buy $20 worth of marijuana. With evidence in the form of marked bills and the ostensible testimony of the informant, Philadelphia Police used a SWAT team in riot gear to break down the door of the home and arrest Leon Jr. A month later, Leon and Mary Adams were informed that in addition to their son being in jail while awaiting trial, their home would also be seized under civil forfeiture laws.
That is over the top, not knowing if it is real or fake news. But it should be allowed for things like white collar criminals who defrauded investors.
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Well its not a final determination in that article, just a claim. But there are some pretty egregious abuses by police forces.
RE: Trump is on the wrong side of civil asset forfeiture
(02-07-2017 09:35 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:12 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote: I think President Trump is thinking like most people. Most people think if you are not convicted you get your property back. Most people don't think they could lose every penny in their pocket. Even the ATM card and the compete balance in that account. They think this because most people only think you lose those things if you are dealing dope.
But as I said earlier a bad hit by a drug sniffing dog and they can take it all. Yes even the money you have on your debit card. Then it's up to you to prove other wise. This happens more than most people think.
If your son sells his friend a joint and it's in your home....
you can lose it
If that dollar bill the cashier hands you back as change has been handle by someone else that transferred the oil (what ever) that tests for Pot. You can lose everything in your pocket, your car, your home. You don't even need to be charged with a crime. They can take your property and you still have to pay the bank for it.
The law needs changing. But as I said I doubt President Trump know anything about it..other than the government takes large sums of money and property from major dealers and mobs.
He really should get informed on the abuse of this law.
Can you give me an example of any of this happening?
Philadelphia Couple’s Home Seized After Son Arrested For Marijuana
n 2012, Leon and Mary Adams had their property seized because their son, Leon Jr., had allegedly been selling marijuana from their front porch without their knowledge. Though Leon Jr. was indeed charged with a crime, he was alleged to have sold very small quantities—a “few $20 marijuana deals”—and the couple had nothing to do with the criminal activity. Leon Jr. had not yet been convicted of the criminal activity when the police asserted that they would be seizing the property that had been the home of Leon and Mary Adams since 1966.
According to the Philadelphia Police Department, Leon Jr. had sold $20 worth of marijuana to a police informant on multiple occasions. After the first sale, the informant went to the porch of the Adams home on two more occasions to again buy $20 worth of marijuana. With evidence in the form of marked bills and the ostensible testimony of the informant, Philadelphia Police used a SWAT team in riot gear to break down the door of the home and arrest Leon Jr. A month later, Leon and Mary Adams were informed that in addition to their son being in jail while awaiting trial, their home would also be seized under civil forfeiture laws.
So what's the problem here exactly? This isn't
"just selling a joint". And you might buy the "they were unaware" but I don't. I know what goes on in my house and so does everyone else I know.
You think you know everything going on. I doubt if you do, especially if you have teens or older kids at home.
Here's a motel valued over 2 mil that was took because over the years there were 15 arrest for drugs at the motel. Not the owner or anyone working there but people renting rooms. Cost the owner $60,000 to get his property back
LOL. Ask my kids. One is about to turn 21 and is in the Army in El Paso and the other will be 17 next month. I know what goes on in my house.
And for your next example.........again LOL.
If you believe that hotel management isn't getting daily reports from their housekeeping staff about the goings on in each and every room you are truly a fool.
RE: Trump is on the wrong side of civil asset forfeiture
(02-07-2017 09:12 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote: I think President Trump is thinking like most people. Most people think if you are not convicted you get your property back. Most people don't think they could lose every penny in their pocket. Even the ATM card and the compete balance in that account. They think this because most people only think you lose those things if you are dealing dope.
But as I said earlier a bad hit by a drug sniffing dog and they can take it all. Yes even the money you have on your debit card. Then it's up to you to prove other wise. This happens more than most people think.
If your son sells his friend a joint and it's in your home....
you can lose it
If that dollar bill the cashier hands you back as change has been handle by someone else that transferred the oil (what ever) that tests for Pot. You can lose everything in your pocket, your car, your home. You don't even need to be charged with a crime. They can take your property and you still have to pay the bank for it.
The law needs changing. But as I said I doubt President Trump know anything about it..other than the government takes large sums of money and property from major dealers and mobs.
He really should get informed on the abuse of this law.
Can you give me an example of any of this happening?
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Happened to my cousins parents... He died, the police got to the house first and found cash / computers. They took everything and basically dared his parents to try and get it back.
It was something on the order of 20-30K in gear and cash.
There are dozens of pretty high profile examples of civil forfeiture being abused. The one that sticks in my head is the guy going to a different state to buy a car... Cop pulled him over and took all his cash.
Philadelphia Couple’s Home Seized After Son Arrested For Marijuana
n 2012, Leon and Mary Adams had their property seized because their son, Leon Jr., had allegedly been selling marijuana from their front porch without their knowledge. Though Leon Jr. was indeed charged with a crime, he was alleged to have sold very small quantities—a “few $20 marijuana deals”—and the couple had nothing to do with the criminal activity. Leon Jr. had not yet been convicted of the criminal activity when the police asserted that they would be seizing the property that had been the home of Leon and Mary Adams since 1966.
According to the Philadelphia Police Department, Leon Jr. had sold $20 worth of marijuana to a police informant on multiple occasions. After the first sale, the informant went to the porch of the Adams home on two more occasions to again buy $20 worth of marijuana. With evidence in the form of marked bills and the ostensible testimony of the informant, Philadelphia Police used a SWAT team in riot gear to break down the door of the home and arrest Leon Jr. A month later, Leon and Mary Adams were informed that in addition to their son being in jail while awaiting trial, their home would also be seized under civil forfeiture laws.
So what's the problem here exactly? This isn't
"just selling a joint". And you might buy the "they were unaware" but I don't. I know what goes on in my house and so does everyone else I know.
You think you know everything going on. I doubt if you do, especially if you have teens or older kids at home.
Here's a motel valued over 2 mil that was took because over the years there were 15 arrest for drugs at the motel. Not the owner or anyone working there but people renting rooms. Cost the owner $60,000 to get his property back
LOL. Ask my kids. One is about to turn 21 and is in the Army in El Paso and the other will be 17 next month. I know what goes on in my house.
And for your next example.........again LOL.
If you believe that hotel management isn't getting daily reports from their housekeeping staff about the goings on in each and every room you are truly a fool.
again you might think you know what those teens did. Ask that 21 year old and I bet he tells you he fooled you more than once. Unless you had a video camera going 24/7 in their room you don't know what goes on once that door closes. For that matter if it's open, unless you are right there. No matter how controlling you think you are.
As for the motel owner and maids knowing what goes on...
you are the fool on this if you think they give a crap about who's doing what. Or if you think they clean each of those rooms every day. But even if they did..so what. No one is leaving their bag of dope out so the maid can steal it.
That motel had a sign out front with a I believe a $240 a week on it. Those rooms don't get maid service every day. But I doubt if Billy Bob is selling his meth right in from of the maid or the owner.
It's not the owners job to police people staying at his motel. He pays taxes for that. But with that line of thought ..
shouldn't the feds be able to take every sports team where someone was using or injecting a player with a drug? Shouldn't the owner know whats going on in his locker room?
I wont call you a fool because you think you know everything that 16 and 21 year old did in your home. But you are blind. :)
(This post was last modified: 02-07-2017 11:10 PM by WKUYG.)
Philadelphia Couple’s Home Seized After Son Arrested For Marijuana
n 2012, Leon and Mary Adams had their property seized because their son, Leon Jr., had allegedly been selling marijuana from their front porch without their knowledge. Though Leon Jr. was indeed charged with a crime, he was alleged to have sold very small quantities—a “few $20 marijuana deals”—and the couple had nothing to do with the criminal activity. Leon Jr. had not yet been convicted of the criminal activity when the police asserted that they would be seizing the property that had been the home of Leon and Mary Adams since 1966.
According to the Philadelphia Police Department, Leon Jr. had sold $20 worth of marijuana to a police informant on multiple occasions. After the first sale, the informant went to the porch of the Adams home on two more occasions to again buy $20 worth of marijuana. With evidence in the form of marked bills and the ostensible testimony of the informant, Philadelphia Police used a SWAT team in riot gear to break down the door of the home and arrest Leon Jr. A month later, Leon and Mary Adams were informed that in addition to their son being in jail while awaiting trial, their home would also be seized under civil forfeiture laws.
So what's the problem here exactly? This isn't
"just selling a joint". And you might buy the "they were unaware" but I don't. I know what goes on in my house and so does everyone else I know.
You think you know everything going on. I doubt if you do, especially if you have teens or older kids at home.
Here's a motel valued over 2 mil that was took because over the years there were 15 arrest for drugs at the motel. Not the owner or anyone working there but people renting rooms. Cost the owner $60,000 to get his property back
LOL. Ask my kids. One is about to turn 21 and is in the Army in El Paso and the other will be 17 next month. I know what goes on in my house.
And for your next example.........again LOL.
If you believe that hotel management isn't getting daily reports from their housekeeping staff about the goings on in each and every room you are truly a fool.
again you might think you know what those teens did. Ask that 21 year old and I bet he tells you he fooled you more than once. Unless you had a video camera going 24/7 in their room you don't know what goes on once that door closes. For that matter if it's open, unless you are right there. No matter how controlling you think you are.
As for the motel owner and maids knowing what goes on...
you are the fool on this if you think they give a crap about who's doing what. Or if you think they clean each of those rooms every day. But even if they did..so what. No one is leaving their bag of dope out so the maid can steal it.
That motel had a sign out front with a I believe a $240 a week on it. Those rooms don't get maid service every day. But I doubt if Billy Bob is selling his meth right in from of the maid or the owner.
It's not the owners job to police people staying at his motel. He pays taxes for that. But with that line of thought ..
shouldn't the feds be able to take every sports team where someone was using or injecting a player with a drug? Shouldn't the owner know whats going on in his locker room?
I wont call you a fool because you think you know everything that 16 and 21 year old did in your home. But you are blind. :)
Did my kids sneak a snack or play some video games after they went to bed? Probably. Would I have noticed if kids were dealing drugs off my front porch? You damn right I would have. If you are stupid enough to not notice a drug dealer on your front porch you deserve to lose your ****.
As for the motel........hang the "do not disturb" sign all you want. There is someone who works for the motel who checks on each room every day. Next time you vacation somewhere hang the DND sign and run a piece of scotch tape on the door.
RE: Trump is on the wrong side of civil asset forfeiture
(02-07-2017 11:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:
(02-07-2017 11:08 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:35 PM)WKUYG Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote: So what's the problem here exactly? This isn't
"just selling a joint". And you might buy the "they were unaware" but I don't. I know what goes on in my house and so does everyone else I know.
You think you know everything going on. I doubt if you do, especially if you have teens or older kids at home.
Here's a motel valued over 2 mil that was took because over the years there were 15 arrest for drugs at the motel. Not the owner or anyone working there but people renting rooms. Cost the owner $60,000 to get his property back
LOL. Ask my kids. One is about to turn 21 and is in the Army in El Paso and the other will be 17 next month. I know what goes on in my house.
And for your next example.........again LOL.
If you believe that hotel management isn't getting daily reports from their housekeeping staff about the goings on in each and every room you are truly a fool.
again you might think you know what those teens did. Ask that 21 year old and I bet he tells you he fooled you more than once. Unless you had a video camera going 24/7 in their room you don't know what goes on once that door closes. For that matter if it's open, unless you are right there. No matter how controlling you think you are.
As for the motel owner and maids knowing what goes on...
you are the fool on this if you think they give a crap about who's doing what. Or if you think they clean each of those rooms every day. But even if they did..so what. No one is leaving their bag of dope out so the maid can steal it.
That motel had a sign out front with a I believe a $240 a week on it. Those rooms don't get maid service every day. But I doubt if Billy Bob is selling his meth right in from of the maid or the owner.
It's not the owners job to police people staying at his motel. He pays taxes for that. But with that line of thought ..
shouldn't the feds be able to take every sports team where someone was using or injecting a player with a drug? Shouldn't the owner know whats going on in his locker room?
I wont call you a fool because you think you know everything that 16 and 21 year old did in your home. But you are blind. :)
Did my kids sneak a snack or play some video games after they went to bed? Probably. Would I have noticed if kids were dealing drugs off my front porch? You damn right I would have. If you are stupid enough to not notice a drug dealer on your front porch you deserve to lose your ****.
As for the motel........hang the "do not disturb" sign all you want. There is someone who works for the motel who checks on each room every day. Next time you vacation somewhere hang the DND sign and run a piece of scotch tape on the door.
Look we are going to disagree so I'm only going to say one other thing...
the hotel we both probably stay in on vacation and this motel are not the same. Not even close. You are wrong if you think someone checks each room every day. It's not that type of hotel. I do a lot of traveling. Haven't missed but one WKU football game (in person) home and away in 4 years. This is the first year in the last 4 that I did not travel with the basketball team. I put 45,000 miles on a new SUV in the last 13 months. And most of those times if I ask for no maid service...they stay out. Sometimes someone will still knock.
Without knowing anything about this motel other than people sold drugs out of their room and a sign saying I believe $240 weekly. I know enough to tell me exactly the type it is.
1. the rooms weekly are for those that can't get government housing because of most likely drug use
2.Sex offenders that can't find a home that fits into their probation requirements
3. Drug users
4.The down and out that can't afford rent and deposit at one time or the credit score to get a house or apt
5. the drunk at one of the low hanging dives that got lucky with a a female that most likely needs a set of teeth. The guy probably does also.
6. the unlucky person traveling through that gets drawn in because it's $25 cheaper than the motel 6 down the street
Hell half of the people I grew up with are dead or spent time in prison because of addiction. Including a brother and a handful of cousins. I've sen these motels from the inside out because I've spent years of my life trying to help people just like the family member and people I grew up with to get past their addiction. These people know how to get away with things.
The owner knows the type of person he's renting to. But he is not responsible for their actions unless he is part of it. No more so than if you rented apts to people that used and sold drugs. No one is reporting back to him daily, weekly or monthly on what they see in the rooms. That is unless there's damage or a danger.
The person renting that room is not selling drugs in front of anyone working at this motel or the owner. It's not their job to police the people unless he sees something going on. A drug addict is not going to leave his stash laying around so the maid can see..if she does come into the room.
That's what we are talking about here....
people hooked on drugs selling to other users to supply their habit. Not bigtime drug deals or even daily.
(This post was last modified: 02-08-2017 12:07 AM by WKUYG.)
RE: Trump is on the wrong side of civil asset forfeiture
I've stayed in those rooms (and far better) because vendors and now suppliers provided them. The $1000 a night motel is far closer to the $35 a night than you give them credit. It does no hotel any good to be associated with criminal activity.
And while they may not be dealing in front of the hotel staff there is always evidence. There's been more than one time I've changed hotel rooms because I found evidence of drug activity. I also always let local law enforcement know so they could add that hotel to the list.
(This post was last modified: 02-08-2017 12:15 AM by Kaplony.)
RE: Trump is on the wrong side of civil asset forfeiture
(02-08-2017 12:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote: There were reports that Trump did business with the mob.
Anyone who has ever constructed a building in New York City, or Atlantic City, has had to have dealings with the construction unions, that is, the mob.
RE: Trump is on the wrong side of civil asset forfeiture
(02-08-2017 09:05 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:
(02-08-2017 12:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote: There were reports that Trump did business with the mob.
Anyone who has ever constructed a building in New York City, or Atlantic City, has had to have dealings with the construction unions, that is, the mob.
True. Part of the reasons construction costs have always been so high in NYC. Not sure if they still control it, but they certainly did in the 80s and prior.
RE: Trump is on the wrong side of civil asset forfeiture
(02-07-2017 09:04 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:
(02-07-2017 09:01 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: And you are shocked by this why exactly?
Had no expectations on it. If anything, it's more disappointing Obama did nothing about this in 8 years.
Trump campaigned as a friend to police and to restoring order in the inner cities. This should come as zero surprise. I'm not disappointed because we know that Trump will be very much like GWB wrt to pushing for gov't power to stop crime and terror.
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