(01-06-2017 05:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote: So you are going to double down on this?
That's very Trumpish of you.
So you have no rationale response. How very consistent of you.
(01-06-2017 06:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Taxing remittances, especially when there's a land border is really difficult. They'll just remit the money to Canada, or get a buddy to do it, using cash at a Western Union, then a Canadian will remit it to Mexico. Sure it will be illegal, but its hard to stop.
yeah, you might try reading.
Trump's proposal was to disallow people who weren't here legally from sending money overseas. ANY border.
Quote:Also, we have zero outgoing border controls. Are you going to spend 20 billion on search stations at our land border crossings to check people leaving the US?
And if something like that is announced, watch for 100's of billions to be repatriated to Mexico all at once. And watch every other minority group do the same. All at once. It would be very bad for our financial system.
Sure. Buying pesos has always been a great move. People here illegally don't have 100s of billions here... and if they want to drive it across the border, that's fine. How are they going to get back? We're whole in 4 years. The truth is that few of them would bother. They'd more likely pay an American/legal immigrant to front for them... which still acts as a 'tax' keeping some of that money here and is a Federal, not state crime.
Quote:Every illegal would immediately remove themselves from our financial system.
That's the whole purpose. Thanks They're not in our system anyway
Quote: Many LEGAL immigrants would do the same. Many foreign investors would too. How much of our debt is held overseas? Do you really want to scare all of them too? By the way, many CITIZENS will send money overseas too. I've told my advisor, that sorry if he comes after anyone in our financial system, much of my money is going to Panama (I won't leave in a US custodial account).
DJT can try to do it, but he will raise very little and he'll end up costing the US economy billions upon billions more than he gains.
Pfft. Right. If you're already IN the financial system, you've got no problem because you used an ID of SOME sort showing your legal ownership/right to be here in the first place. Illegals don't use banks to send money to mexico. You need a valid ID to open a bank account.
(01-06-2017 06:04 PM)JOwl Wrote: Whoa whoa whoa. Try not to trip over yourself back pedaling.
Your first comment was that we've already started to receive those payments in the form of Ford and Carrier jobs, and only a complete idiot expected us to get a check from Mexico.
All this stuff where Trump says we're going to receive actual cash to cover the actual costs of the wall runs entirely counter to your original claim. Unless of course your point is that Trump is a complete idiot (fair assessment).
No back pedal at all. Trump didn't claim carrier was part of it. That was MY assessment. Are we debating what Trump promised, or how I look at it? the way I look at it, spending money to stop drugs or human trafficking or housing (or clothing or feeding or providing healthcare for) illegals ALSO pays for itself... but that's my opinion, not something Trump said. I dont think I suggested any option where Mexico EVER wrote a check. Sure, i suppose they could... but why when we're already sending money TO them?
Don't trip over your own attempts to move the goal posts though. Thanks.
I gave a hand-full of scenarios around Trump's proposal... none of which constituted Mexico writing a check. Try some intellectual honesty and answer/defend your claim that those constitute a breach of his promise as you suggest rather than now conflating my personal opinions versus his.
Since I'm not Trump, nor did I vote for him... I'm entitled to have positions and opinions that don't jibe with his without having to buy into this whole 'Trump lied' BS.
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We are going to pay for the wall but Mexico will pay us back.
