Trump's America

We don't need a wall. What we need is a giant lake that runs through the southern Arizona and New Mexico. Build parks on northside and sell water rights to Mexico.

I'M pretty sure they will start a war with us before they pay a dime. I feel a giant FU will be coming from Mexico soon.

The wall is going to be built from the buildings and scrap left behind by US companies.

First payment was those Carrier jobs that didn't leave. Second is these Ford Jobs.

Only a complete idiot expected us to send them a bill that they would write a check for.

(01-06-2017 01:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  First payment was those Carrier jobs that didn't leave. Second is these Ford Jobs.

Only a complete idiot expected us to send them a bill that they would write a check for.

$11,000,000 payable upon receipt.

How much will the GOP add to our debt to build something that won't stop anything?

(01-06-2017 01:07 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  How much will the GOP add to our debt to build something that won't stop anything?

There is not going to be a wall. I called BS on this from day one.

(01-06-2017 01:08 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:07 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  How much will the GOP add to our debt to build something that won't stop anything?

There is not going to be a wall. I called BS on this from day one.

Trump seems pretty serious about getting a wall built. It sounds like the GOP Congress wants to attach funding to the appropriations bill, forcing the democrats to vote for the wall or to shutdown the government.

I hope they come to their senses. Our time and money can be spent in more effective ways then constructing a wall. For one, it's a pain in the ass for landowners who live along the border. In a lot of cases, it's difficult or nearly impossible to build a wall directly 'on' the border, so oftentimes the wall is built thousands of feet, if not miles away from the actual border. Many times, this cuts off landowners from their property, and in extreme cases, can ruin the livelihoods of Americans living in the vicinity (See the Texas golf course that went out of business after a wall cut it off from the US).

Fence Protecting U.S./Mexican Border...

You want to stop illegal immigrants from crossing our southern border? Sure, that's fine. But is a wall really the most effective way to achieve that?

And as for Mexico paying for it... IMO, its more likely the Mexicans of Mexico, Ohio or the other Mexicans from Mexico, Missouri are more likely to pay for the wall than the Mexicans of Mexico.

Plus it sounds like they've already got their hands full down there... Mexico is in pretty bad shape. The Peso is falling in value while the price for gasoline is rising. Protests and riots are popping up all around the country. Forcing them to foot the bill for a wall would just be salt in a wound at this point.

So much for love thy neighbor, right?

Anyone who took Trump's "Mexico will pay for the wall" as Mexico would write us a check for the wall is an idiot.

There is more than 1 way to skin a cat.

(01-06-2017 01:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  First payment was those Carrier jobs that didn't leave. Second is these Ford Jobs.

Only a complete idiot expected us to send them a bill that they would write a check for.

This!

(01-06-2017 12:56 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  I'M pretty sure they will start a war with us before they pay a dime. I feel a giant FU will be coming from Mexico soon.

Yea, Mexico doesn't play.

I remember the time that Mexico was desperate to avoid default in the mid 1980's. They sent their President to DC to try to figure out a way to avoid default (and save US banks billions). Reagan's SecState mentioned in an offhand comment....well why not we just buy Baja?

The Mexican President excused himself, flew immediately back to Mexico City, went on national TV, and immediately defaulted on the debt.

Mexico is much wealthier now. They are patriotic. And they loathe DJT.

(01-06-2017 01:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  ...well why not we just buy Baja?

I've looked a couple time over the years and have never found any real evidence of such, but I distictly remember a history class where it was claimed that Mexico told the USA that considering it was mostly useless desert, the USA could just simply draw the border as we saw fit.

So the USA sent off surveyors from El Paso at the Rio Grande heading westward drawing straight lines which was working fine until the surveyors got to Nogales and they wanted to get drunk and there wasn't enough liquor in town. So instead of continuing to head west towards the mouth of the Colorado River and the top of the Gulf of California, they headed north west in a straight line towards the place with cheap liquor which was Mexicali and then San Diego.

This little detour cost the USA the Baja peninsula.

(I really hope this story is true )

(01-06-2017 12:56 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  I'M pretty sure they will start a war with us before they pay a dime. I feel a giant FU will be coming from Mexico soon.

That works. Been awhile since we had a great land war.

(01-06-2017 01:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:56 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  I'M pretty sure they will start a war with us before they pay a dime. I feel a giant FU will be coming from Mexico soon.

Yea, Mexico doesn't play.

I remember the time that Mexico was desperate to avoid default in the mid 1980's. They sent their President to DC to try to figure out a way to avoid default (and save US banks billions). Reagan's SecState mentioned in an offhand comment....well why not we just buy Baja?

The Mexican President excused himself, flew immediately back to Mexico City, went on national TV, and immediately defaulted on the debt.

Mexico is much wealthier now. They are patriotic. And they loathe DJT.

yeah... had he not made that off-hand comment, they would have paid the debt

(01-06-2017 12:56 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  I'M pretty sure they will start a war with us before they pay a dime. I feel a giant FU will be coming from Mexico soon.

WTF are they going to start a war with? Their best tracked armored vehicles are 1950's and 60's era technology and probably their best armored vehicle is the wheeled Panhard light armored vehicle. Their two destroyers (Yes two) are WWII era retired US destroyers and their six frigates are also US surplus. Their three (Yes three) fighters are Northrup F-5 light fighters.

I seriously doubt that the combined Mexican "Armed Forces" could beat the SC National Guard. I know for a fact that the SC Air Guard would render the Mexican "Air Force" obsolete in hours, if not minutes.

(01-06-2017 12:56 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  I'M pretty sure they will start a war with us before they pay a dime. I feel a giant FU will be coming from Mexico soon.

Yeah, after We round up all the bad ones and drop them off back into Mexico and any ones coming back here gets 30 years in the poke !. Yeah, I'm sure those will give us a big FU, But Who care what They think We don't need those clowns here.

(01-06-2017 01:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  First payment was those Carrier jobs that didn't leave. Second is these Ford Jobs.

Only a complete idiot expected us to send them a bill that they would write a check for.

How dare you talk about Trump supporters in that way?

We give money to Mexico. We take it out of that til it's paid for.

It's amazing. The guy hasn't even taken office yet and he has already back tracked on at least two of the biggest issues he ran on.