(01-06-2017 02:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Laugh all you want, folks. But DJT is losing political capital fast with this. And everyone knows it.

He will be inaugurated with an approval rating around 40%, which is unprecedented.

And yet he will still be inaugurated.

Of course it's unprecedented. He ran as a Republican but isn't a Republican... was attacked by most of the party establishment and certainly isn't a Democrat (by affiliation).

This is precisely what those of us hoping to encourage third and fourth and fifth parties were hoping for.

(01-06-2017 12:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:37 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump now calling it a political witch hunt.

This is how he will pivot and move the goal post. He will grudgingly admit that Russia did in fact hack the election but now he will call it a political witch hunt.

Even if *everything* being said is true the CIA director himself said that Russian hacking did not move the vote. The bolded language here is an example of disinformation...

At worst the Russians hacked the DNC and released their emails, at *worst*. Thats nothing compared to what China did a few years back and there was zero outrage from the left.

What the Russians are alleged to have done is also not as bad as how Obama himself tried to intervene in the last set of elections in Israel.

Let me be clear. I do not believe what the Russians did made enough of a difference in the election. I think she was so disliked that he would have won anyway.

That isn't what this is about. This is about whether or not Russia attempted to do it and whether or not Trump believes it.

What its about is the DNC efforts to try to de-legitimize Trump. Now I think its clear they are so delusional they think it might work. But it just works on the true believers who don't need convincing. It didn't work during the election and its not going to work afterwards.

When MSM jumped the shark and started taking all these Putin-Trump stories seriously is when I tuned them out. It became clear they were party hacks and worth listening to every bit as much as the candidate's handlers immediately after a debate. You don't even need to hear them to know what they will say. Its all spin.

The Democrats' attacks validated the e-mails as the truth. It was clear they were scared and trying to distract from their own vile, amoral, un-American and sometimes criminal behavior. It was one factor is pushing wavering Republicans and Republican leaning independents to get out and to vote for Trump.

The problem is, does DJT owes any money to the Russian banks, and if so, could Putin pull strings on Trump to order him around, or Trump could lose his businesses? We know Trump owes money to the banks in China.

CNBC leftist polls his Twitter followers; it promptly backfires.

This is so 80s. Reagan destroys the Berlin Wall and Trump builds another. Tsk. Next thing we'll have Disco again.

Which of WikiLeaks leaks was fake?

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(01-07-2017 08:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  This is so 80s. Reagan destroys the Berlin Wall and Trump builds another. Tsk. Next thing we'll have Disco again.

The election was torture enough. NEVER bring back Disco!!!!!!!

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/01/...n-hackers/

"Of all the tantrums being thrown by the Democrats in their inability to accept defeat and move on, perhaps the most absurd is the Great Russian Hacking Scandal....

Let's ignore too the well known fact that every country, friend or foe, with sufficient computer capability is cyberspying on as many allies and enemies as much as possible all the time. Let's also ignore the other well-known fact that the USA over the years has covertly monkeyed with the elections of other countries on several occasions, against friends and foes, most recently our supposed great ally Israel. It's no surprise Barack Obama would do just about anything in his power to upend someone he despised far more, until a few weeks ago, than Vladimir Putin -- Benjamin Netanyahu....

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Obama spent more U.S. taxpayer money -- via his cut-out OneVoice -- to defeat Netanyahu than Putin ever did to defeat Hillary.
You know how I know? Hacking into the Podesta emails must have cost about five dollars -- okay, fifteen. Can you imagine this conversation?

FSB AGENT: Comrade, er, President Putin.  You will never believe this. We were able to obtain the emails of John Podesta, the campaign manager of Mrs. Clinton, with a simple "phishing" trick.
PUTIN:  Agent Shostakovich, do you want to go to Lubyanka?  No one is that stupid.  This is 2016....

One last point: the Russians allegedly tried to hack into the Republican National Committee and failed. Wouldn't you prefer to be governed by people who know something about cybersecurity or at least took it seriously enough to protect their data? As Vladimir says in my mock-dialogue above, "This is 2016." Scratch that, 2017."

(01-08-2017 02:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/01/...n-hackers/

"Of all the tantrums being thrown by the Democrats in their inability to accept defeat and move on, perhaps the most absurd is the Great Russian Hacking Scandal....

Let's ignore too the well known fact that every country, friend or foe, with sufficient computer capability is cyberspying on as many allies and enemies as much as possible all the time. Let's also ignore the other well-known fact that the USA over the years has covertly monkeyed with the elections of other countries on several occasions, against friends and foes, most recently our supposed great ally Israel. It's no surprise Barack Obama would do just about anything in his power to upend someone he despised far more, until a few weeks ago, than Vladimir Putin -- Benjamin Netanyahu....

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Obama spent more U.S. taxpayer money -- via his cut-out OneVoice -- to defeat Netanyahu than Putin ever did to defeat Hillary.
You know how I know? Hacking into the Podesta emails must have cost about five dollars -- okay, fifteen. Can you imagine this conversation?

FSB AGENT: Comrade, er, President Putin.  You will never believe this. We were able to obtain the emails of John Podesta, the campaign manager of Mrs. Clinton, with a simple "phishing" trick.
PUTIN:  Agent Shostakovich, do you want to go to Lubyanka?  No one is that stupid.  This is 2016....

One last point: the Russians allegedly tried to hack into the Republican National Committee and failed. Wouldn't you prefer to be governed by people who know something about cybersecurity or at least took it seriously enough to protect their data? As Vladimir says in my mock-dialogue above, "This is 2016." Scratch that, 2017."

DJT is a stooge of Putin. We all know this. No matter what Putin does...DJT simply supports him. Will you guys all hide if it turns out Putin and/or his oligarchs have been funnelling him money?

(01-08-2017 02:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 02:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/01/...n-hackers/

"Of all the tantrums being thrown by the Democrats in their inability to accept defeat and move on, perhaps the most absurd is the Great Russian Hacking Scandal....

Let's ignore too the well known fact that every country, friend or foe, with sufficient computer capability is cyberspying on as many allies and enemies as much as possible all the time. Let's also ignore the other well-known fact that the USA over the years has covertly monkeyed with the elections of other countries on several occasions, against friends and foes, most recently our supposed great ally Israel. It's no surprise Barack Obama would do just about anything in his power to upend someone he despised far more, until a few weeks ago, than Vladimir Putin -- Benjamin Netanyahu....

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Obama spent more U.S. taxpayer money -- via his cut-out OneVoice -- to defeat Netanyahu than Putin ever did to defeat Hillary.
You know how I know? Hacking into the Podesta emails must have cost about five dollars -- okay, fifteen. Can you imagine this conversation?

FSB AGENT: Comrade, er, President Putin.  You will never believe this. We were able to obtain the emails of John Podesta, the campaign manager of Mrs. Clinton, with a simple "phishing" trick.
PUTIN:  Agent Shostakovich, do you want to go to Lubyanka?  No one is that stupid.  This is 2016....

One last point: the Russians allegedly tried to hack into the Republican National Committee and failed. Wouldn't you prefer to be governed by people who know something about cybersecurity or at least took it seriously enough to protect their data? As Vladimir says in my mock-dialogue above, "This is 2016." Scratch that, 2017."

DJT is a stooge of Putin. We all know this. No matter what Putin does...DJT simply supports him. Will you guys all hide if it turns out Putin and/or his oligarchs have been funnelling him money?

Why should we? You didn't hide because the anti-gay Saudis were funneling your candidate money.

(01-08-2017 03:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 02:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 02:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/01/...n-hackers/

"Of all the tantrums being thrown by the Democrats in their inability to accept defeat and move on, perhaps the most absurd is the Great Russian Hacking Scandal....

Let's ignore too the well known fact that every country, friend or foe, with sufficient computer capability is cyberspying on as many allies and enemies as much as possible all the time. Let's also ignore the other well-known fact that the USA over the years has covertly monkeyed with the elections of other countries on several occasions, against friends and foes, most recently our supposed great ally Israel. It's no surprise Barack Obama would do just about anything in his power to upend someone he despised far more, until a few weeks ago, than Vladimir Putin -- Benjamin Netanyahu....

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Obama spent more U.S. taxpayer money -- via his cut-out OneVoice -- to defeat Netanyahu than Putin ever did to defeat Hillary.
You know how I know? Hacking into the Podesta emails must have cost about five dollars -- okay, fifteen. Can you imagine this conversation?

FSB AGENT: Comrade, er, President Putin.  You will never believe this. We were able to obtain the emails of John Podesta, the campaign manager of Mrs. Clinton, with a simple "phishing" trick.
PUTIN:  Agent Shostakovich, do you want to go to Lubyanka?  No one is that stupid.  This is 2016....

One last point: the Russians allegedly tried to hack into the Republican National Committee and failed. Wouldn't you prefer to be governed by people who know something about cybersecurity or at least took it seriously enough to protect their data? As Vladimir says in my mock-dialogue above, "This is 2016." Scratch that, 2017."

DJT is a stooge of Putin. We all know this. No matter what Putin does...DJT simply supports him. Will you guys all hide if it turns out Putin and/or his oligarchs have been funnelling him money?

Why should we? You didn't hide because the anti-gay Saudis were funneling your candidate money.

The anti-Gay Saudis were funding the Clinton Foundation's anti-AIDS program in Africa. Happy about it no. But its not like HRC didn't condemn Saudi Arabia's funding of terrorism and their treatment of LGBT persons.

Putin and his oligarchs are likely funding DJT's personal money. And DJT is giving every action that one would take if he was bought off by the Russians. Where are DJT's actions against Russia?

(01-07-2017 08:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  This is so 80s. Reagan destroys the Berlin Wall and Trump builds another. Tsk. Next thing we'll have Disco again.

Berlin Wall's purpose... Keeping people in
US Border Wall's purpose... Keeping people out

One was a prison cell and the other was your yard fence

(01-08-2017 03:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Putin and his oligarchs are likely funding DJT's personal money.

Of course, you have no factual support for this allegation.

(01-08-2017 03:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 03:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 02:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 02:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/01/...n-hackers/

"Of all the tantrums being thrown by the Democrats in their inability to accept defeat and move on, perhaps the most absurd is the Great Russian Hacking Scandal....

Let's ignore too the well known fact that every country, friend or foe, with sufficient computer capability is cyberspying on as many allies and enemies as much as possible all the time. Let's also ignore the other well-known fact that the USA over the years has covertly monkeyed with the elections of other countries on several occasions, against friends and foes, most recently our supposed great ally Israel. It's no surprise Barack Obama would do just about anything in his power to upend someone he despised far more, until a few weeks ago, than Vladimir Putin -- Benjamin Netanyahu....

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Obama spent more U.S. taxpayer money -- via his cut-out OneVoice -- to defeat Netanyahu than Putin ever did to defeat Hillary.
You know how I know? Hacking into the Podesta emails must have cost about five dollars -- okay, fifteen. Can you imagine this conversation?

FSB AGENT: Comrade, er, President Putin.  You will never believe this. We were able to obtain the emails of John Podesta, the campaign manager of Mrs. Clinton, with a simple "phishing" trick.
PUTIN:  Agent Shostakovich, do you want to go to Lubyanka?  No one is that stupid.  This is 2016....

One last point: the Russians allegedly tried to hack into the Republican National Committee and failed. Wouldn't you prefer to be governed by people who know something about cybersecurity or at least took it seriously enough to protect their data? As Vladimir says in my mock-dialogue above, "This is 2016." Scratch that, 2017."

DJT is a stooge of Putin. We all know this. No matter what Putin does...DJT simply supports him. Will you guys all hide if it turns out Putin and/or his oligarchs have been funnelling him money?

Why should we? You didn't hide because the anti-gay Saudis were funneling your candidate money.

The anti-Gay Saudis were funding the Clinton Foundation's anti-AIDS program in Africa. Happy about it no. But its not like HRC didn't condemn Saudi Arabia's funding of terrorism and their treatment of LGBT persons.

Putin and his oligarchs are likely funding DJT's personal money. And DJT is giving every action that one would take if he was bought off by the Russians. Where are DJT's actions against Russia?

As Obama said in 2012, Russia is NOT our enemy. They have different objectives, but they aren't out to destroy us. They just have a paranoid president who thinks we are out to destroy them.

I say we Impeach Trump on the first day. Putin is not our friend, and Trump is being used by Putin to attack our Intelligence services and our Democracy. If people are blind to what Putin is doing? Than I feel sorry for you all being duped by Russia and Putin. This would lead to the end of the USA which Putin would gladly take control of and claimed us as part of his Communist Russia. Our freedoms will be lost. Russia will take your guns away. Religion would be banned. You will be executed for freedom of speech and so forth.

(01-08-2017 05:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I say we Impeach Trump on the first day. Putin is not our friend, and Trump is being used by Putin to attack our Intelligence services and our Democracy. If people are blind to what Putin is doing? Than I feel sorry for you all being duped by Russia and Putin. This would lead to the end of the USA which Putin would gladly take control of and claimed us as part of his Communist Russia. Our freedoms will be lost. Russia will take your guns away. Religion would be banned. You will be executed for freedom of speech and so forth.

So in other words it would be like if Killary had been elected? Hmm, interesting.

(01-08-2017 05:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I say we Impeach Trump on the first day. Putin is not our friend, and Trump is being used by Putin to attack our Intelligence services and our Democracy. If people are blind to what Putin is doing? Than I feel sorry for you all being duped by Russia and Putin. This would lead to the end of the USA which Putin would gladly take control of and claimed us as part of his Communist Russia. Our freedoms will be lost. Russia will take your guns away. Religion would be banned. You will be executed for freedom of speech and so forth.

Um, Russia isn't Communist anymore. Its classic crony capitalism with a touch of fascism.

(01-08-2017 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 05:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I say we Impeach Trump on the first day. Putin is not our friend, and Trump is being used by Putin to attack our Intelligence services and our Democracy. If people are blind to what Putin is doing? Than I feel sorry for you all being duped by Russia and Putin. This would lead to the end of the USA which Putin would gladly take control of and claimed us as part of his Communist Russia. Our freedoms will be lost. Russia will take your guns away. Religion would be banned. You will be executed for freedom of speech and so forth.

Um, Russia isn't Communist anymore. Its classic crony capitalism with a touch of fascism.

Crony capitalism = fascism.

(01-08-2017 08:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 05:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I say we Impeach Trump on the first day. Putin is not our friend, and Trump is being used by Putin to attack our Intelligence services and our Democracy. If people are blind to what Putin is doing? Than I feel sorry for you all being duped by Russia and Putin. This would lead to the end of the USA which Putin would gladly take control of and claimed us as part of his Communist Russia. Our freedoms will be lost. Russia will take your guns away. Religion would be banned. You will be executed for freedom of speech and so forth.

Um, Russia isn't Communist anymore. Its classic crony capitalism with a touch of fascism.

Crony capitalism = fascism.

Not always. You can have freedom of speech with crony capitalism limiting economic freedom. DC under Obama?

(01-08-2017 08:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 08:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 05:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I say we Impeach Trump on the first day. Putin is not our friend, and Trump is being used by Putin to attack our Intelligence services and our Democracy. If people are blind to what Putin is doing? Than I feel sorry for you all being duped by Russia and Putin. This would lead to the end of the USA which Putin would gladly take control of and claimed us as part of his Communist Russia. Our freedoms will be lost. Russia will take your guns away. Religion would be banned. You will be executed for freedom of speech and so forth.

Um, Russia isn't Communist anymore. Its classic crony capitalism with a touch of fascism.

Crony capitalism = fascism.

Not always. You can have freedom of speech with crony capitalism limiting economic freedom. DC under Obama?

You can have freedom of speech with fascism. Possibly not with the Nazi version, but with other forms.

(01-08-2017 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 05:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I say we Impeach Trump on the first day. Putin is not our friend, and Trump is being used by Putin to attack our Intelligence services and our Democracy. If people are blind to what Putin is doing? Than I feel sorry for you all being duped by Russia and Putin. This would lead to the end of the USA which Putin would gladly take control of and claimed us as part of his Communist Russia. Our freedoms will be lost. Russia will take your guns away. Religion would be banned. You will be executed for freedom of speech and so forth.

Um, Russia isn't Communist anymore. Its classic crony capitalism with a touch of fascism.

Putin is jailing and murdering journalists who criticized him.