(01-06-2017 10:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/20...-doubt.php

Russia story is likely CIA disinformation campaign according to this former CIA employee.

Disgruntled former employee who hasn't been there in a decade, writing under a pseudonym. Mmkay. He hasn't seen US intel in a long time. Maybe he's seen Russian intel.

Trump now calling it a political witch hunt.

This is how he will pivot and move the goal post. He will grudgingly admit that Russia did in fact hack the election but now he will call it a political witch hunt.

(01-06-2017 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump now calling it a political witch hunt.

This is how he will pivot and move the goal post. He will grudgingly admit that Russia did in fact hack the election but now he will call it a political witch hunt.

And tomorrow, DJT will probably say something so pro-Russia that everyone will conclude that he's a stooge.

DJT keeps reinforcing the perception.

(01-06-2017 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump now calling it a political witch hunt.

This is how he will pivot and move the goal post. He will grudgingly admit that Russia did in fact hack the election but now he will call it a political witch hunt.

Except the election wasn't hacked. Contrary to what you leftists want to believe the DNC =/= the election nor this country.

(01-06-2017 12:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump now calling it a political witch hunt.

This is how he will pivot and move the goal post. He will grudgingly admit that Russia did in fact hack the election but now he will call it a political witch hunt.

Except the election wasn't hacked. Contrary to what you leftists want to believe the DNC =/= the election nor this country.

Quit being so sensitive man. You know what I meant. I have never questioned Trump's election.

(01-06-2017 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump now calling it a political witch hunt.

This is how he will pivot and move the goal post. He will grudgingly admit that Russia did in fact hack the election but now he will call it a political witch hunt.

Even if *everything* being said is true the CIA director himself said that Russian hacking did not move the vote. The bolded language here is an example of disinformation...

At worst the Russians hacked the DNC and released their emails, at *worst*. Thats nothing compared to what China did a few years back and there was zero outrage from the left.

What the Russians are alleged to have done is also not as bad as how Obama himself tried to intervene in the last set of elections in Israel.

(01-06-2017 12:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 10:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/20...-doubt.php

Russia story is likely CIA disinformation campaign according to this former CIA employee.

Disgruntled former employee who hasn't been there in a decade, writing under a pseudonym. Mmkay. He hasn't seen US intel in a long time. Maybe he's seen Russian intel.

It really is typical CIA. They have their agenda which doesn't always coincide with our constitution and American ideals.

This really is FBI territory, not CIA.

(01-06-2017 12:37 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump now calling it a political witch hunt.

This is how he will pivot and move the goal post. He will grudgingly admit that Russia did in fact hack the election but now he will call it a political witch hunt.

Even if *everything* being said is true the CIA director himself said that Russian hacking did not move the vote. The bolded language here is an example of disinformation...

At worst the Russians hacked the DNC and released their emails, at *worst*. Thats nothing compared to what China did a few years back and there was zero outrage from the left.

What the Russians are alleged to have done is also not as bad as how Obama himself tried to intervene in the last set of elections in Israel.

Let me be clear. I do not believe what the Russians did made enough of a difference in the election. I think she was so disliked that he would have won anyway.

That isn't what this is about. This is about whether or not Russia attempted to do it and whether or not Trump believes it.

(01-06-2017 12:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:37 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump now calling it a political witch hunt.

This is how he will pivot and move the goal post. He will grudgingly admit that Russia did in fact hack the election but now he will call it a political witch hunt.

Even if *everything* being said is true the CIA director himself said that Russian hacking did not move the vote. The bolded language here is an example of disinformation...

At worst the Russians hacked the DNC and released their emails, at *worst*. Thats nothing compared to what China did a few years back and there was zero outrage from the left.

What the Russians are alleged to have done is also not as bad as how Obama himself tried to intervene in the last set of elections in Israel.

Let me be clear. I do not believe what the Russians did made enough of a difference in the election. I think she was so disliked that he would have won anyway.

That isn't what this is about. This is about whether or not Russia attempted to do it and whether or not Trump believes it.

What its about is the DNC efforts to try to de-legitimize Trump. Now I think its clear they are so delusional they think it might work. But it just works on the true believers who don't need convincing. It didn't work during the election and its not going to work afterwards.

When MSM jumped the shark and started taking all these Putin-Trump stories seriously is when I tuned them out. It became clear they were party hacks and worth listening to every bit as much as the candidate's handlers immediately after a debate. You don't even need to hear them to know what they will say. Its all spin.

The Democrats' attacks validated the e-mails as the truth. It was clear they were scared and trying to distract from their own vile, amoral, un-American and sometimes criminal behavior. It was one factor is pushing wavering Republicans and Republican leaning independents to get out and to vote for Trump.

(01-06-2017 12:16 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump now calling it a political witch hunt.
This is how he will pivot and move the goal post. He will grudgingly admit that Russia did in fact hack the election but now he will call it a political witch hunt.

Except the election wasn't hacked. Contrary to what you leftists want to believe the DNC =/= the election nor this country.

Quit being so sensitive man. You know what I meant. I have never questioned Trump's election.

Well, not technically, because you have very carefully parsed your words. But you pretty clearly want to suggest that, without actually saying it. Plausible deniability, like Susan Rice and the video story.

(01-06-2017 12:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Let me be clear. I do not believe what the Russians did made enough of a difference in the election. I think she was so disliked that he would have won anyway.

That isn't what this is about. This is about whether or not Russia attempted to do it and whether or not Trump believes it.

Of course russia attempted... So did China, England, Germany, ..... This is a tempest in a teapot.

Hell remember when some kid (who happened to be the son of a prominent democrat) hacked Sarah Palin's email and the media begged for people to help go through it all?

(01-06-2017 12:16 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump now calling it a political witch hunt.

This is how he will pivot and move the goal post. He will grudgingly admit that Russia did in fact hack the election but now he will call it a political witch hunt.

Except the election wasn't hacked. Contrary to what you leftists want to believe the DNC =/= the election nor this country.

Quit being so sensitive man. You know what I meant. I have never questioned Trump's election.

Except you do that very thing every time you spread the false narrative of the election being hacked.

I'm not arguing that DJT didn't win the election. I'm just noting that he's a stooge of Russia and that he got 3 million fewer votes than his opponent. So he has no real mandate to speak for the people. He's done zero to try to bridge the divide between himself and the majority of Americans that voted against him.

Legitimate election.
Illegitimate mandate.

(01-06-2017 01:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm just noting that he's a stooge of Russia

No, you're making an unsupported allegation that he is a stooge of Russia. There's a difference.

Presidency
Senate
House
33 of 50 Governorships
32 of 50 state legislatures

If you don't consider that a mandate than I don't know what to tell you.

(01-06-2017 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump now calling it a political witch hunt.

This is how he will pivot and move the goal post. He will grudgingly admit that Russia did in fact hack the election but now he will call it a political witch hunt.

Wait, the actual election was hacked? I thought that is what the Democrat-funded recount was for. You know, the Democrat-funded recount that resulted in MORE votes for Trump.

(01-06-2017 01:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm just noting that he's a stooge of Russia

No, you're making an unsupported allegation that he is a stooge of Russia. There's a difference.

What is DJT's policy on NATO?
What is his policy on Ukraine?
What is his policy on Syriia?
Who are his advisors?
Does he compliment Putin constantly?
Does he condemn Putin's human rights abuses?

Does he do ANYTHING that isn't in Putin's interest?

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Give me something that is against Putin from DJT. Anything?

You got nothing. And we still haven't seen how many billions Putin and his lackey plutocrats have paid him because we haven't seen his financials.

(01-06-2017 01:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm just noting that he's a stooge of Russia

No, you're making an unsupported allegation that he is a stooge of Russia. There's a difference.

What is DJT's policy on NATO?
What is his policy on Ukraine?
What is his policy on Syriia?
Who are his advisors?
Does he compliment Putin constantly?
Does he condemn Putin's human rights abuses?

Does he do ANYTHING that isn't in Putin's interest?

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Give me something that is against Putin from DJT. Anything?

You got nothing. And we still haven't seen how many billions Putin and his lackey plutocrats have paid him because we haven't seen his financials.

Trump's policies are to do what is in America's interests.
Obama's policies were to do what is in the interest of everybody but America-Iran, North Korea, Radical Shia, Radical Sunni, Europeans, Chinese, yes Russians, Africans, Central Americans, Cubans, Mexicans....

Seems like a lot of folks went ballistic (pun intended) when Trump tweeted about welcoming a new arms race.

(01-06-2017 01:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Give me something that is against Putin from DJT. Anything?

^^^^^^^^^^^See above.