we used Parker the last 2 times. First time we got Fran anyway and the second time Withers wasn't on their radar of top prospects.

(11-14-2016 02:17 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:41 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:24 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:21 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  If this was already posted, I apologize. Nice write up about the search and potential candidates from footballscoop

http://footballscoop.com/news/early-thou...gia-state/

*Sigh*

:(

That is not a bad list...I did not see one inexperience DC on it.

Needs to be a ACC or SEC coordinator with experience recruiting Atlanta

We are prob not that attractive and an SEC/ACC coordinator would be paid at a similar rate to their current salary.

(11-14-2016 02:31 PM)BariBlue Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:17 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:41 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:24 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:21 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  If this was already posted, I apologize. Nice write up about the search and potential candidates from footballscoop

http://footballscoop.com/news/early-thou...gia-state/

*Sigh*

:(

That is not a bad list...I did not see one inexperience DC on it.

Needs to be a ACC or SEC coordinator with experience recruiting Atlanta

We are prob not that attractive and an SEC/ACC coordinator would be paid at a similar rate to their current salary.

As an example, the GT defensive coordinator makes $750,000. Probably need to aim a little lower.

Les Miles is looking for a job.

(11-14-2016 02:31 PM)BariBlue Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:17 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:41 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:24 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:21 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  If this was already posted, I apologize. Nice write up about the search and potential candidates from footballscoop

http://footballscoop.com/news/early-thou...gia-state/

*Sigh*

:(

That is not a bad list...I did not see one inexperience DC on it.

Needs to be a ACC or SEC coordinator with experience recruiting Atlanta

We are prob not that attractive and an SEC/ACC coordinator would be paid at a similar rate to their current salary.

Exactly. Why do people think we should be able to pull an ACC/SEC coordinator who is considered a riser? Mike Bobo did reasonably well, not an up-and-coming superstar OC at UGA by any means, and he got Colorado State, which is leaps and bounds ahead of Georgia State, to put it lightly.

If we do end up getting a P5 coordinator, it could be someone we never heard of.

I don't know how much experience he has in recruiting Atlanta, but Ruffin McNeill who is the former ECU coach and currently an assistant with Virginia would be an amazing choice.

(11-14-2016 02:45 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:31 PM)BariBlue Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:17 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:41 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:24 PM)panama Wrote:  *Sigh*

:(

That is not a bad list...I did not see one inexperience DC on it.

Needs to be a ACC or SEC coordinator with experience recruiting Atlanta

We are prob not that attractive and an SEC/ACC coordinator would be paid at a similar rate to their current salary.

As an example, the GT defensive coordinator makes $750,000. Probably need to aim a little lower.

Yes, and Ted Roof could be out of a job at the end of the year. If we go SEC/ACC coordinator, it may be a struggling one or a just-fired one...best-case scenario is probably an unknown one. We ain't gettin' a star OC/DC from the P5 ranks.

However, I'll defend going the P5 coordinator route just because of the experience factor running a large portion of a major team in a major conference. That would be huge, I think. We need that mentality now.

(11-14-2016 02:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  I don't know how much experience he has in recruiting Atlanta, but Ruffin McNeill who is the former ECU coach and currently an assistant with Virginia would be an amazing choice.

I know he's done a good job and it was kind of a head-scratcher when he was fired at ECU...some people even wanted to keep him at Texas Tech after he served as interim there when Leach got axed.

Only thing is he's 58. I'm up for a great coach at just about any age, and an older coach can certainly bring excitement if it's the right one, but I'm looking for something a bit different this time around. Think of how Dan Quinn (regardless of what you thought of his coaching in his first year with the Falcons) came in and had such a positive and energetic vibe, really changing the tone of that franchise. We NEED that.

I'm not trying to be ageist here! But the odds of firing up the franchise and players you're trying to recruit AND keep on the roster from transferring are better if you have someone younger and more fiery, in my opinion.

(11-14-2016 02:56 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  I don't know how much experience he has in recruiting Atlanta, but Ruffin McNeill who is the former ECU coach and currently an assistant with Virginia would be an amazing choice.

I know he's done a good job and it was kind of a head-scratcher when he was fired at ECU...some people even wanted to keep him at Texas Tech after he served as interim their when Leach got axed.

Only thing is he's 58. I'm up for a great coach at just about any age, and an older coach can certainly bring excitement if it's the right one, but I'm looking for something a bit different this time around. Think of how Dan Quinn (regardless of what you thought of his coaching in his first year with the Falcons) came in and had such a positive and energetic vibe, really changing the tone of that franchise. We NEED that.

It's tough to find youth and experience at a high level the same time.

I don't like hiring low-level P5 assistants to be head coaches just because of the lack of experience. They may turn out great but chances are they won't.

Personally, I'd go for the experience if he has the energy. Not someone waiting for retirement or looking for something to do between tee times, but McNeill has experience being a successful G5 coach. So if he's got the energy then I'd say give him a shot.

Shawn Elliott has experience at App and SC, I know he has the energy and while he's not a coordinator he could be a great choice.

Otherwise, an up and comer FCS head coach might be a good choice.

(11-14-2016 02:15 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:41 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:24 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:21 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  If this was already posted, I apologize. Nice write up about the search and potential candidates from footballscoop

http://footballscoop.com/news/early-thou...gia-state/

*Sigh*

:(

Why the sigh? It was posted already? or you don't like the candidate he's advocating the most or what?

Nope

I don't know what your objection is to that list in Rittenberg's tweet, Panama. I think getting one of the Clemson OCs would be about as close to a home run as we could get. Think of all the selling points that would come with that...

(11-14-2016 03:03 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:56 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  I don't know how much experience he has in recruiting Atlanta, but Ruffin McNeill who is the former ECU coach and currently an assistant with Virginia would be an amazing choice.

I know he's done a good job and it was kind of a head-scratcher when he was fired at ECU...some people even wanted to keep him at Texas Tech after he served as interim their when Leach got axed.

Only thing is he's 58. I'm up for a great coach at just about any age, and an older coach can certainly bring excitement if it's the right one, but I'm looking for something a bit different this time around. Think of how Dan Quinn (regardless of what you thought of his coaching in his first year with the Falcons) came in and had such a positive and energetic vibe, really changing the tone of that franchise. We NEED that.

It's tough to find youth and experience at a high level the same time.

I don't like hiring low-level P5 assistants to be head coaches just because of the lack of experience. They may turn out great but chances are they won't.

Personally, I'd go for the experience if he has the energy. Not someone waiting for retirement or looking for something to do between tee times, but McNeill has experience being a successful G5 coach. So if he's got the energy then I'd say give him a shot.

Shawn Elliott has experience at App and SC, I know he has the energy and could be a great choice.

Otherwise, an up and comer FCS head coach might be a good choice.

I know...it's a delicate balance, and there are trade-offs at every point. An older coach with a lot of energy and a willingness to try to fire up Atlanta and recruits? I'm all for it. Whatever age, we need someone who treats it like more than a "job" job, like Ron Hunter, who someone mentioned earlier. I too am not terribly jazzed about a P5 assistant who has never been a coordinator on an FBS level.

(11-14-2016 03:03 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:15 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:41 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:24 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:21 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  If this was already posted, I apologize. Nice write up about the search and potential candidates from footballscoop

http://footballscoop.com/news/early-thou...gia-state/

*Sigh*

:(

Why the sigh? It was posted already? or you don't like the candidate he's advocating the most or what?

Nope

I don't know what your objection is to that list in Rittenberg's tweet, Panama. I think getting one of the Clemson OCs would be about as close to a home run as we could get. Think of all the selling points that would come with that...

I dont think a lot of thought was given to that list. And one ill fitting coach to GSU/Atlanta/the South was enough for me for a lifetime. Not seeing anyone on that list that has ever coached/lived in any large city before either. Regardless I am sure Shawn Elliott is #1 with a bullet unless he has already told Charlie know in which case he is #2

(11-14-2016 03:03 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:56 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  I don't know how much experience he has in recruiting Atlanta, but Ruffin McNeill who is the former ECU coach and currently an assistant with Virginia would be an amazing choice.

I know he's done a good job and it was kind of a head-scratcher when he was fired at ECU...some people even wanted to keep him at Texas Tech after he served as interim their when Leach got axed.

Only thing is he's 58. I'm up for a great coach at just about any age, and an older coach can certainly bring excitement if it's the right one, but I'm looking for something a bit different this time around. Think of how Dan Quinn (regardless of what you thought of his coaching in his first year with the Falcons) came in and had such a positive and energetic vibe, really changing the tone of that franchise. We NEED that.

It's tough to find youth and experience at a high level the same time.

I don't like hiring low-level P5 assistants to be head coaches just because of the lack of experience. They may turn out great but chances are they won't.

Personally, I'd go for the experience if he has the energy. Not someone waiting for retirement or looking for something to do between tee times, but McNeill has experience being a successful G5 coach. So if he's got the energy then I'd say give him a shot.

Shawn Elliott has experience at App and SC, I know he has the energy and while he's not a coordinator he could be a great choice.

Otherwise, an up and comer FCS head coach might be a good choice.

To be clear, Charlie Cobb cannot stand up at a presser and announce an FCS HC as his next HC at GSU.

(11-14-2016 03:13 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 03:03 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:56 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  I don't know how much experience he has in recruiting Atlanta, but Ruffin McNeill who is the former ECU coach and currently an assistant with Virginia would be an amazing choice.

I know he's done a good job and it was kind of a head-scratcher when he was fired at ECU...some people even wanted to keep him at Texas Tech after he served as interim their when Leach got axed.

Only thing is he's 58. I'm up for a great coach at just about any age, and an older coach can certainly bring excitement if it's the right one, but I'm looking for something a bit different this time around. Think of how Dan Quinn (regardless of what you thought of his coaching in his first year with the Falcons) came in and had such a positive and energetic vibe, really changing the tone of that franchise. We NEED that.

It's tough to find youth and experience at a high level the same time.

I don't like hiring low-level P5 assistants to be head coaches just because of the lack of experience. They may turn out great but chances are they won't.

Personally, I'd go for the experience if he has the energy. Not someone waiting for retirement or looking for something to do between tee times, but McNeill has experience being a successful G5 coach. So if he's got the energy then I'd say give him a shot.

Shawn Elliott has experience at App and SC, I know he has the energy and while he's not a coordinator he could be a great choice.

Otherwise, an up and comer FCS head coach might be a good choice.

To be clear, Charlie Cobb cannot stand up at a presser and announce an FCS HC as his next HC at GSU.

I understand why some have adopted this mindset. I don't hold it, and I think it's a big, big mistake to eliminate a large pool of candidates with potential to be good coaches at our level...but I understand it.

I would not be happy if I knew our AD was taking an approach as hard-line as that.

(11-14-2016 03:13 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 03:03 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:56 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  I don't know how much experience he has in recruiting Atlanta, but Ruffin McNeill who is the former ECU coach and currently an assistant with Virginia would be an amazing choice.

I know he's done a good job and it was kind of a head-scratcher when he was fired at ECU...some people even wanted to keep him at Texas Tech after he served as interim their when Leach got axed.

Only thing is he's 58. I'm up for a great coach at just about any age, and an older coach can certainly bring excitement if it's the right one, but I'm looking for something a bit different this time around. Think of how Dan Quinn (regardless of what you thought of his coaching in his first year with the Falcons) came in and had such a positive and energetic vibe, really changing the tone of that franchise. We NEED that.

It's tough to find youth and experience at a high level the same time.

I don't like hiring low-level P5 assistants to be head coaches just because of the lack of experience. They may turn out great but chances are they won't.

Personally, I'd go for the experience if he has the energy. Not someone waiting for retirement or looking for something to do between tee times, but McNeill has experience being a successful G5 coach. So if he's got the energy then I'd say give him a shot.

Shawn Elliott has experience at App and SC, I know he has the energy and while he's not a coordinator he could be a great choice.

Otherwise, an up and comer FCS head coach might be a good choice.

To be clear, Charlie Cobb cannot stand up at a presser and announce an FCS HC as his next HC at GSU.

I understand - especially the recent coach, but if you are trying to balance someone with high energy, good experience, GSU can afford, and who would want the position then FCS head coaches are going to be one of the better pools. There are certainly other options but I don't think you all can afford most SEC/ACC coordinators and most other assistants won't have enough experience - I think Elliott is an exception though.

(11-14-2016 03:19 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 03:13 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 03:03 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:56 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  I don't know how much experience he has in recruiting Atlanta, but Ruffin McNeill who is the former ECU coach and currently an assistant with Virginia would be an amazing choice.

I know he's done a good job and it was kind of a head-scratcher when he was fired at ECU...some people even wanted to keep him at Texas Tech after he served as interim their when Leach got axed.

Only thing is he's 58. I'm up for a great coach at just about any age, and an older coach can certainly bring excitement if it's the right one, but I'm looking for something a bit different this time around. Think of how Dan Quinn (regardless of what you thought of his coaching in his first year with the Falcons) came in and had such a positive and energetic vibe, really changing the tone of that franchise. We NEED that.

It's tough to find youth and experience at a high level the same time.

I don't like hiring low-level P5 assistants to be head coaches just because of the lack of experience. They may turn out great but chances are they won't.

Personally, I'd go for the experience if he has the energy. Not someone waiting for retirement or looking for something to do between tee times, but McNeill has experience being a successful G5 coach. So if he's got the energy then I'd say give him a shot.

Shawn Elliott has experience at App and SC, I know he has the energy and while he's not a coordinator he could be a great choice.

Otherwise, an up and comer FCS head coach might be a good choice.

To be clear, Charlie Cobb cannot stand up at a presser and announce an FCS HC as his next HC at GSU.

I understand why some have adopted this mindset. I don't hold it, and I think it's a big, big mistake to eliminate a large pool of candidates with potential to be good coaches at our level...but I understand it.

I would not be happy if I knew our AD was taking an approach as hard-line as that.

The last game two games were attended by apparently CSC staff at the Dome and some janitors. At this point the fan base and especially students are so disaffected that it will 2 or 3 years to get them back under the best of circumstances. If Cobb makes an announcement of a HC whose name most regular fotball fans in Atlanta have to Google. you will be opening a very empty stadium next year. For what its worth Cobb is saying he is looking at ACC, SEC and P5 coordinators. Having said that I am expecting disappointment. I dont think Cobb and his folks (for the most part) are as connected to GSU and its students and to Downtown Atlanta as they should be.

Go to a GSU MBB game and there is excitement. Ron Hunter creates that excitement by promoting that team and GSU and Atlanta. Listen to him in a radio interview and he is excited to be here. He has built taht excitement over the last 3 or 4 years. The result is what you saw last Friday. A great crowd for an NAIA opponent.

Football has been the opposite starting with Levick and then with Miles and so far with Cobb. Everyone gets the blame. Its the students. Its the city. Its facilities. Whoever gets hired will have to connect with these students and young alumni and with this city the way Ron does and WANT to make GSU football Atlanta's team. He will have to reverse that sour taste in a lot of people's mouths and that includes Metro Atlanta HS coaches. Would it help if there is some name recognition? Yes, absolutely. But it will also help if they can do things I mentioned above and most importantly recruit and keep Atlanta kids at home and most importantly win. There is more than a lot of people realize riding on this and we are running out of do overs. We need to get this right and GSU is not a one size fits all job.

(11-14-2016 03:25 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 03:13 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 03:03 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:56 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  I don't know how much experience he has in recruiting Atlanta, but Ruffin McNeill who is the former ECU coach and currently an assistant with Virginia would be an amazing choice.

I know he's done a good job and it was kind of a head-scratcher when he was fired at ECU...some people even wanted to keep him at Texas Tech after he served as interim their when Leach got axed.

Only thing is he's 58. I'm up for a great coach at just about any age, and an older coach can certainly bring excitement if it's the right one, but I'm looking for something a bit different this time around. Think of how Dan Quinn (regardless of what you thought of his coaching in his first year with the Falcons) came in and had such a positive and energetic vibe, really changing the tone of that franchise. We NEED that.

It's tough to find youth and experience at a high level the same time.

I don't like hiring low-level P5 assistants to be head coaches just because of the lack of experience. They may turn out great but chances are they won't.

Personally, I'd go for the experience if he has the energy. Not someone waiting for retirement or looking for something to do between tee times, but McNeill has experience being a successful G5 coach. So if he's got the energy then I'd say give him a shot.

Shawn Elliott has experience at App and SC, I know he has the energy and while he's not a coordinator he could be a great choice.

Otherwise, an up and comer FCS head coach might be a good choice.

To be clear, Charlie Cobb cannot stand up at a presser and announce an FCS HC as his next HC at GSU.

I understand - especially the recent coach, but if you are trying to balance someone with high energy, good experience, GSU can afford, and who would want the position then FCS head coaches are going to be one of the better pools. There are certainly other options but I don't think you all can afford most SEC/ACC coordinators and most other assistants won't have enough experience - I think Elliott is an exception though.

Cobb has set the pool at $1.6M

I'm sure there are many examples of people going straight from coordinator to HC and doing just fine, but imo you can't put a price on that HC experience, not just in game day planning and decision making, but in all aspects of administrating a program (media obligations, fan/donor relations, team discipline, hiring/firing, etc.) ask me how I know.



This is a faux resume of someone I would want to hire as my HC:

4/5 years playing college ball, doesn't matter the position, doesn't matter the level

GA 2 years at a P5 or G5

Position coach at a G5 2-3 years, pull some good recruits, your pos group is regarded well, shows year to year improvements

Position coach at P5/better G5 2-3 years, continue to have success recruiting, continue to impress with your (new) pos. groups performance/progress, maybe add ST coordinator duties

DC/OC at FCS school or HC at JUCO/DII 3-4 years, your team/unit builds on its own success and gets better each year, you continue to do well in recruiting

HC at bigger/full scholarship FCS 2-3 years, continue good recruiting, each year better than the last in on-field performance

Here you are, interviewing for my HC position at a mid-tier G5, you're in your mid to late 30's, you've got experience coaching multiple different position groups, you've got a plan for what you want to do as my HC, and a strong, wide network of guys you've coached with who may want to come be a part of your staff.

Welcome Aboard!

(11-14-2016 03:19 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 03:13 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 03:03 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:56 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 02:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  I don't know how much experience he has in recruiting Atlanta, but Ruffin McNeill who is the former ECU coach and currently an assistant with Virginia would be an amazing choice.

I know he's done a good job and it was kind of a head-scratcher when he was fired at ECU...some people even wanted to keep him at Texas Tech after he served as interim their when Leach got axed.

Only thing is he's 58. I'm up for a great coach at just about any age, and an older coach can certainly bring excitement if it's the right one, but I'm looking for something a bit different this time around. Think of how Dan Quinn (regardless of what you thought of his coaching in his first year with the Falcons) came in and had such a positive and energetic vibe, really changing the tone of that franchise. We NEED that.

It's tough to find youth and experience at a high level the same time.

I don't like hiring low-level P5 assistants to be head coaches just because of the lack of experience. They may turn out great but chances are they won't.

Personally, I'd go for the experience if he has the energy. Not someone waiting for retirement or looking for something to do between tee times, but McNeill has experience being a successful G5 coach. So if he's got the energy then I'd say give him a shot.

Shawn Elliott has experience at App and SC, I know he has the energy and while he's not a coordinator he could be a great choice.

Otherwise, an up and comer FCS head coach might be a good choice.

To be clear, Charlie Cobb cannot stand up at a presser and announce an FCS HC as his next HC at GSU.

I understand why some have adopted this mindset. I don't hold it, and I think it's a big, big mistake to eliminate a large pool of candidates with potential to be good coaches at our level...but I understand it.

I would not be happy if I knew our AD was taking an approach as hard-line as that.

I feel ya but you've gotta admit - ULM seems to be on the right path after searching through that talent pool of FCS coaches. I was skeptical until they beat USA and now my eyes are wide open.

Another interesting name Shane Beamer. Seems to be well respeted. But doenst have the coaching back ground.