(06-23-2020 01:47 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Additionally, I think we can agree that a Trumpbot (or really most uses of "bot" in similar circumstances) suggests that a person agrees/defends that individual (or party) in virtually all circumstances by parroting the same arguments.

If that is the working definition, then please explain how any one of three people who did not vote for Donald Trump can possibly be considered a "Ttrumpbot." Use of the term "parroting" implies an unthinking knee-jerk response, rather than a reasoned and thoughtful analysis of the facts and issues.

Quote:This whole discussion kicked off with me noting "that I often found the tone and substance of many of the arguments made here by the “non-Trumpbots” to be indistinguishable from the MAGA-hat wearing crowd or the Fox and Friends folks.

Perhaps because those are legitimate arguments. I find this troubling feeling on the left (being expressed if not genuinely felt, since I have no way to determine the latter) that the only truth lies in positions held by the left, and any departure form those positions is because the departer is "deplorable" or some kind of unthinking "bot."

Quote:
... I found this to be particularly true during discussions about impeachment, Kavanaugh, Charlottesville/very fine people...." I made that comment before 69/70/75's post (which was about Kavanaugh) so my glib response was merely a reaffirmation of what I had already written - that on this specific topic (but not on all topics), 69/70/75 was saying the same kind of things I would expect from Fox & Friends. That doesn't mean he "takes his marching orders from Fox & Friends", it means his argument on that specific issue is basically indistinguishable. Which is exactly what I wrote before 69/70/75's comment or my glib response.

Perhaps the reason they are "indistinguishable" is because they are valid and obvious points. There is certainly ample basis upon which to conclude that the impeachment process and the Kavanaugh confirmation opposition were political hatchet jobs which went far beyond anything that any reasonably competent evidence would support. As far as Charlottesville, the "fine people" is a poor choice of words. Would it have been better if Trump had said there were some bad people on both sides? I think so, much better, and entirely accurate. But wait, he did, a few moments earlier, as part of essentially the same quote. But did that get quoted? Of course not, not by MSM who put agenda ahead of accurate and objective reporting.

The way to contest a point is not to try to create some guilt by association by pointing out that it is "indistinguishable" (in your mind at least) from something said by some group that you find "deeplorable." I realize that can work before some juries. But the proper way to contest a point in intelligent discussion is to provide counterpoints. Otherwise you are doing nothing but ad hominem attacks.

(06-23-2020 01:30 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 05:45 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I can settle this for you guys: the preferred expression is "knickers in a twist".
Now, back to the fight!

Nice! I had actually heard "knickers in a twist" and "panties in a twist" but never "panties in a wad". Knickers is un-American enough (or just not modern enough) that I wouldn't have thought of it as sexist, regardless of whether knickers refers to male or female undergarments.

Well, thank you for the primer in what you subjectively consider to be sexist and not.

(06-23-2020 01:24 AM)mrbig Wrote:  I'm happy to hit the reset button (as I would tell my kids) and just stop calling each other son.

Just as long as neither of you call me "Dad".

Dad gum youngsters these days...

(06-23-2020 01:34 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 06:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 01:08 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I don't wear panties

Nothing wrong with being a transvestite - in fact, aren't transvestites a protected class in the Democratic Party? Your statement sounds anti-transvestite to me.

Or maybe you just meant you go commando.

For Halloween in 7th grade I dressed as a woman with heels and a wig. I was so convincing guys in the locker room before PE were sprinting away from me to hide from my femininity. I wore a french maid outfit a few times at Rice. But in all situations, I wore men's underwear. TMI?

Fine with me, but you will never be Governor with that kind of blatant sexism.

(06-23-2020 01:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 01:27 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 05:23 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  So do tell -- how the fk do you plan for shutting people into their homes and literally shutting down the economy?

It is mind boggling that you think that is an anywhere near 'plannable' event for anything less than a twenty year time scale. Yet here you are apparently promulgating that it is.

I suggest you return to the real world for your next iteration at this version of 'It's Trump's fault, all of it'. That one doesnt meet the laugh test.

I mean, both of the prior USA presidents expressed extreme concern for exactly this sort of pandemic. H1N1 and ebola were essentially dry-runs that should have helped the USA gets is $h!t together on responding to a pandemic. I do think it is plannable and I do think we should be planning for the next iteration because there will be something else in the next 20 years (or less) and it could be worse. Its like a hurricane. It doesn't always hit New Orleans, but eventually another one will hit New Orleans so we better make damn sure the levees and pumps are ready beforehand.

Got it. Since the country got locked down, and the economy shut down, the potential for both of those is easily plannable. What type of fing drugs are you on?

Quote:Its like a hurricane

Uhh...... no. Its not. Its really only like.... well..... the entire fing economy of world dropping by 30% nearly instantaneously. There really is no corollary. Nor has there ever been one, not even close to this scope.

Simple test. Name one singular event that affected the entire world economy, and the entire US economy with *anything* near the breadth and depth of the worldwide lockdowns and shutdowns.

Criminy, I'll make it easier. Name any one singular event that has had, say, 15% of the global impact of this. I can name one in the entire fing scope of Western civilization --- the Black Death. Somehow I dont think there is much parallel to learn from that re: economic response to a fing global pandemic.

I mean, also as an example, this is such an amazingly extreme event that Hollywood made movies about this. Think about that.

Again, what type of fing drugs are you on? That is, besides the 'Trump is entirely at fault' stuff you mainline.....

Asteroid strike 66,000,000 years ago?

Eruption of the Yellowstone Supervolcano?

global cooling/heating (glaciations/interglaciations)?

all have happened before.

We all know these things will happen again someday. I wonder if the next president will update our plans to survive an asteroid strike during a supereruption in yellowstone during a glacial period?

(06-23-2020 01:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Got it. Since the country got locked down, and the economy shut down, the potential for both of those is easily plannable. What type of fing drugs are you on?

Classier than calling me "son" I guess.

(06-23-2020 01:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Uhh...... no. Its not. Its really only like.... well..... the entire fing economy of world dropping by 30% nearly instantaneously. There really is no corollary. Nor has there ever been one, not even close to this scope.

Simple test. Name one singular event that affected the entire world economy, and the entire US economy with *anything* near the breadth and depth of the worldwide lockdowns and shutdowns.

Criminy, I'll make it easier. Name any one singular event that has had, say, 15% of the global impact of this. I can name one in the entire fing scope of Western civilization --- the Black Death. Somehow I dont think there is much parallel to learn from that re: economic response to a fing global pandemic.

I mean, also as an example, this is such an amazingly extreme event that Hollywood made movies about this. Think about that.

Again, what type of fing drugs are you on? That is, besides the 'Trump is entirely at fault' stuff you mainline.....

I agree with you that many countries, particularly the USA, Russia, Brazil, and certainly some European countries as well, haven't handled this nearly as well as I would have expected and hoped given how inevitable/predictable a virus like this was. It is unfortunate that the lack of planning and slow reaction to the virus resulted in the extreme economy-crippling measures that were required. I'd like to say that if we could go back and do it over again, we would all handle it better. Then I walk around and see hardly anyone with masks (CDC screwed up that early recommendation for sure!) and plenty of large gatherings and realize maybe people (or Americans?) are just too stupid and stubborn to do what is necessary to avoid having to shut things down.

(06-23-2020 02:08 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Got it. Some comments are glib. Some are serious. The ones that get pulled up after your Arthur Murray dance lessons are now all 'done in jest' and not serious.

Cha cha cha.

Actually, the glibness is secondary to the fact that I had already literally said that on this specific issue 69/70/75's arguments mirrored the Fox & Friends arguments. I'm not back tracking at all from that statement. But just because that is true for the issues of Kavanaugh or impeachment doesn't mean I believe it to be true for all issues. What part of that don't you get? I hope and believe OO and 69/70/75 get my point.

(06-23-2020 02:14 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Funny, I referred to both OMB and progressives as 'rancid'. Again, I suggest you cite the context (and perhaps the wording) a little bit more carefully.

I honestly still haven't figured out the "OMB" acronym so I don't know what you are talking about. Office of Management and Budget? This is how I will feel after you tell me:

(06-23-2020 08:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 01:47 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Additionally, I think we can agree that a Trumpbot (or really most uses of "bot" in similar circumstances) suggests that a person agrees/defends that individual (or party) in virtually all circumstances by parroting the same arguments.

If that is the working definition, then please explain how any one of three people who did not vote for Donald Trump can possibly be considered a "Ttrumpbot." Use of the term "parroting" implies an unthinking knee-jerk response, rather than a reasoned and thoughtful analysis of the facts and issues.

Sorry to shout but, ARE YOU REALLY THIS DENSE?!? I DON'T THINK YOU, OO, OR TANQ ARE TRUMPBOTS. I SAY THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. ARE YOU JUST TROLLING ME OR SOMETHING? WTF MAN? What the holy hell. I'll be honest, sometimes I honestly wonder if some of you are much dumber than I give you credit for, because notwithstanding our disagreements, I think most of you are very intelligent. But when I repeatedly say that I don't think you are a Trumpbot and then you keep wondering "why do you think I'm a Trumpbot?" what the hell else am I supposed to think?

If you are trying to drive me to the edge of insanity, then well played sir. Well played.

(06-23-2020 08:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 01:47 AM)mrbig Wrote:  This whole discussion kicked off with me noting "that I often found the tone and substance of many of the arguments made here by the “non-Trumpbots” to be indistinguishable from the MAGA-hat wearing crowd or the Fox and Friends folks.

Perhaps because those are legitimate arguments. I find this troubling feeling on the left (being expressed if not genuinely felt, since I have no way to determine the latter) that the only truth lies in positions held by the left, and any departure form those positions is because the departer is "deplorable" or some kind of unthinking "bot."

What I wrote above applies again. My whole point is that (1) yes you have the same arguments on some issues as people I would consider Trumpbots but (2) it isn't on all issues (so you aren't a Trumpbot) and (3) I do not think you have those opinions that mirror Trumpbots because you are parroting something you heard elsewhere like a Trumpbot but rather because that is your own considered opinion (and are therefore not a Trumpbot).

Why are you so insistent that I think you a Trumpbot, despite me repeatedly saying the opposite?

(06-23-2020 09:13 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Asteroid strike 66,000,000 years ago?

Eruption of the Yellowstone Supervolcano?

global cooling/heating (glaciations/interglaciations)?

all have happened before.

We all know these things will happen again someday. I wonder if the next president will update our plans to survive an asteroid strike during a supereruption in yellowstone during a glacial period?

I am just going to assume you are joking and that you do not legitimately believe those are comparable to a pandemic. If you aren't joking, all the more reason to not respond.

(06-23-2020 01:16 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 01:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Got it. Since the country got locked down, and the economy shut down, the potential for both of those is easily plannable. What type of fing drugs are you on?

Classier than calling me "son" I guess.

Fair enough. Mea culpa. But the idea that one can 'plan' for this level of an economic hit is really kind of stupid.

One can plan, and just barely get by, with an economic disaster on a hyper local scale. Like your example of a hurricane.

When the dollar scale is literally multiple orders of magnitudes higher, and the geographic scale is that same multiple orders of magnitudes higher, your expectation that one can 'plan' for that level of economic hit is really kind of mind shakingly bizarre.

Quote:

(06-23-2020 01:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Uhh...... no. Its not. Its really only like.... well..... the entire fing economy of world dropping by 30% nearly instantaneously. There really is no corollary. Nor has there ever been one, not even close to this scope.

Simple test. Name one singular event that affected the entire world economy, and the entire US economy with *anything* near the breadth and depth of the worldwide lockdowns and shutdowns.

Criminy, I'll make it easier. Name any one singular event that has had, say, 15% of the global impact of this. I can name one in the entire fing scope of Western civilization --- the Black Death. Somehow I dont think there is much parallel to learn from that re: economic response to a fing global pandemic.

I mean, also as an example, this is such an amazingly extreme event that Hollywood made movies about this. Think about that.

Again, what type of fing drugs are you on? That is, besides the 'Trump is entirely at fault' stuff you mainline.....

I agree with you that many countries, particularly the USA, Russia, Brazil, and certainly some European countries as well, haven't handled this nearly as well as I would have expected and hoped given how inevitable/predictable a virus like this was. It is unfortunate that the lack of planning and slow reaction to the virus resulted in the extreme economy-crippling measures that were required. I'd like to say that if we could go back and do it over again, we would all handle it better. Then I walk around and see hardly anyone with masks (CDC screwed up that early recommendation for sure!) and plenty of large gatherings and realize maybe people (or Americans?) are just too stupid and stubborn to do what is necessary to avoid having to shut things down.

When you are dealing with an event that is more than likely 10,000x the economic and human scale of anything that happened in any single 60 days (in a relative scale) in the last 10,000 years, you say 'plan better'. Wow. Give me some of that **** you are drinking....

Quote: It is unfortunate that the lack of planning and slow reaction to the virus resulted in the extreme economy-crippling measures that were required.

This is almost (but not quite) the equivalent of you saying "It is unfortunate that the lack of planning and slow reaction to the Yellowstone super caldera that blanketed the NA continent in 4 feet of soot resulted in the extreme economy-crippling measures that were required." The difference between that Yellowstone thing and Wuhan is probably a single order of magnitude -- with Yellowstone being worse. The difference between what you allude to with a hurricane example as being the 'test' is probably one of 6-8 orders of magnitude.

I cant tell if this is OMB blindness here, or just that you are seemingly trying to equate a fing world wide pandemic to a single hurricane without understanding or being able to note the teeny tiny itsy bitsy issues of scope between the two.

(06-23-2020 02:33 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 09:13 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Asteroid strike 66,000,000 years ago?

Eruption of the Yellowstone Supervolcano?

global cooling/heating (glaciations/interglaciations)?

all have happened before.

We all know these things will happen again someday. I wonder if the next president will update our plans to survive an asteroid strike during a supereruption in yellowstone during a glacial period?

I am just going to assume you are joking and that you do not legitimately believe those are comparable to a pandemic. If you aren't joking, all the more reason to not respond.

Well *you* compare it to a gd hurricane.

(06-23-2020 02:30 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 01:47 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Additionally, I think we can agree that a Trumpbot (or really most uses of "bot" in similar circumstances) suggests that a person agrees/defends that individual (or party) in virtually all circumstances by parroting the same arguments.

If that is the working definition, then please explain how any one of three people who did not vote for Donald Trump can possibly be considered a "Ttrumpbot." Use of the term "parroting" implies an unthinking knee-jerk response, rather than a reasoned and thoughtful analysis of the facts and issues.

Sorry to shout but, ARE YOU REALLY THIS DENSE?!? I DON'T THINK YOU, OO, OR TANQ ARE TRUMPBOTS. I SAY THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. ARE YOU JUST TROLLING ME OR SOMETHING? WTF MAN? What the holy hell. I'll be honest, sometimes I honestly wonder if some of you are much dumber than I give you credit for, because notwithstanding our disagreements, I think most of you are very intelligent. But when I repeatedly say that I don't think you are a Trumpbot and then you keep wondering "why do you think I'm a Trumpbot?" what the hell else am I supposed to think?

If you are trying to drive me to the edge of insanity, then well played sir. Well played.

(06-23-2020 08:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 01:47 AM)mrbig Wrote:  This whole discussion kicked off with me noting "that I often found the tone and substance of many of the arguments made here by the “non-Trumpbots” to be indistinguishable from the MAGA-hat wearing crowd or the Fox and Friends folks.

Perhaps because those are legitimate arguments. I find this troubling feeling on the left (being expressed if not genuinely felt, since I have no way to determine the latter) that the only truth lies in positions held by the left, and any departure form those positions is because the departer is "deplorable" or some kind of unthinking "bot."

What I wrote above applies again. My whole point is that (1) yes you have the same arguments on some issues as people I would consider Trumpbots but (2) it isn't on all issues (so you aren't a Trumpbot) and (3) I do not think you have those opinions that mirror Trumpbots because you are parroting something you heard elsewhere like a Trumpbot but rather because that is your own considered opinion (and are therefore not a Trumpbot).

Why are you so insistent that I think you a Trumpbot, despite me repeatedly saying the opposite?

Maybe because you explicitly note the comments we make with a bare reference to "Welcome to Fox and Friends" with nothing more following? If that isnt what you are trying to say, I would seriously work on your delivery.

(06-23-2020 02:21 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 02:08 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Got it. Some comments are glib. Some are serious. The ones that get pulled up after your Arthur Murray dance lessons are now all 'done in jest' and not serious.

Cha cha cha.

Actually, the glibness is secondary to the fact that I had already literally said that on this specific issue 69/70/75's arguments mirrored the Fox & Friends arguments. I'm not back tracking at all from that statement. But just because that is true for the issues of Kavanaugh or impeachment doesn't mean I believe it to be true for all issues. What part of that don't you get? I hope and believe OO and 69/70/75 get my point.

(06-23-2020 02:14 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Funny, I referred to both OMB and progressives as 'rancid'. Again, I suggest you cite the context (and perhaps the wording) a little bit more carefully.

I honestly still haven't figured out the "OMB" acronym so I don't know what you are talking about. Office of Management and Budget? This is how I will feel after you tell me:

Short hand for Orange Man Bad. The root of all evil and wrong in the world for some. Duh.

(06-23-2020 02:30 PM)mrbig Wrote:  My whole point is that (1) yes you have the same arguments on some issues as people I would consider Trumpbots but (2) it isn't on all issues (so you aren't a Trumpbot) and (3) I do not think you have those opinions that mirror Trumpbots because you are parroting something you heard elsewhere like a Trumpbot but rather because that is your own considered opinion (and are therefore not a Trumpbot).

Why are you so insistent that I think you a Trumpbot, despite me repeatedly saying the opposite?

Big... I'm literally laughing at this because I'm having trouble understanding how you can't see the issue here.... but I'm also having trouble explaining it because it seems so obvious to me... and if it's not to you, then I really don't know where to go.

The problem I sometimes have is that i know what I'm thinking when I write things... but others don't... so what makes perfect sense to me is sometimes lost on others. Maybe you're experiencing that?

How about this... (and this is an attempt at a comparable argument... not an actual statement towards you)

The argument you just made sounds eerily similar to the one that unthinking morons make.

The fact that I didn't literally call you an unthinking moron or that I didn't say it happens all the time (which seems to be your defense to the 'bot' comment) certainly doesn't detract from the clear implication that at least on this issue, at this time... that I am equating your answer to that of stupid people.

(06-23-2020 02:45 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  But the idea that one can 'plan' for this level of an economic hit is really kind of stupid.

One can plan, and just barely get by, with an economic disaster on a hyper local scale. Like your example of a hurricane.

When the dollar scale is literally multiple orders of magnitudes higher, and the geographic scale is that same multiple orders of magnitudes higher, your expectation that one can 'plan' for that level of economic hit is really kind of mind shakingly bizarre.
...
When you are dealing with an event that is more than likely 10,000x the economic and human scale of anything that happened in any single 60 days (in a relative scale) in the last 10,000 years, you say 'plan better'. Wow. Give me some of that **** you are drinking....

To be clear, I agree that planning/preparing for the economic hit is not as feasible as planning for the medical/epidemiologic side of it. But better prep and planning for the medical/epidemiologic stuff improves the outcomes for the economy as well, which was the point I was trying to make. The economic impact could have been significantly reduced without doing anything specifically economic.

(06-23-2020 02:45 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 01:16 PM)mrbig Wrote:  It is unfortunate that the lack of planning and slow reaction to the virus resulted in the extreme economy-crippling measures that were required.

This is almost (but not quite) the equivalent of you saying "It is unfortunate that the lack of planning and slow reaction to the Yellowstone super caldera that blanketed the NA continent in 4 feet of soot resulted in the extreme economy-crippling measures that were required." The difference between that Yellowstone thing and Wuhan is probably a single order of magnitude -- with Yellowstone being worse. The difference between what you allude to with a hurricane example as being the 'test' is probably one of 6-8 orders of magnitude.

I cant tell if this is OMB blindness here, or just that you are seemingly trying to equate a fing world wide pandemic to a single hurricane without understanding or being able to note the teeny tiny itsy bitsy issues of scope between the two.

Unsurprisingly, I don't agree at all with the analogy to the Yellowstone super caldera. We have a virus that is more deadly and a little more virulent than H1N1, so we had a partial dry run with H1N1. And we have something that is less deadly but much more virulent than ebola, SARS, and MERS, so we had a partial dry run with those. We have never experienced anything similar to the freaking Yellowstone super caldera exploding or earth getting hit with an meteroite in modern society. And those can't be prevented or protected against in the same way as a virus.

(06-23-2020 02:47 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Well *you* compare it to a gd hurricane.

Not really. I said that like a hurricane, the eventuality of a virus like this was foreseeable and there are ways to minimize the impacts as it begins to happen. I was not saying Covid-19 and a single hurricane have similar effects. Is this a proper place to use "Christ on a cracker"?

With a hurricane, you have building codes, building above flood/surge elevations, etc. that are done beforehand. Then when the risk of the actual hurricane materializes, you bring loose materials inside, get some sandbags if you need them, shutter your windows, possibly evacuate, and the government prepares to flood the area with rescue operations and resources if necessary. With a possible pandemic, you build up your detection and response infrastructure beforehand. Then when you have the beginnings of an outbreak, you try to isolate and quarantine, study to develop vaccines/treatments, communicate risks and strategies to the public, and take various steps to reduce spread. Unlike the Yellowstone super caldera example, where you can't exactly build a lava-proof and explosion-proof society and build a huge bubble over the whole area to filter out atmospheric particulates.

(06-23-2020 02:52 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Short hand for Orange Man Bad. The root of all evil and wrong in the world for some. Duh.

(06-23-2020 03:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 02:30 PM)mrbig Wrote:  My whole point is that (1) yes you have the same arguments on some issues as people I would consider Trumpbots but (2) it isn't on all issues (so you aren't a Trumpbot) and (3) I do not think you have those opinions that mirror Trumpbots because you are parroting something you heard elsewhere like a Trumpbot but rather because that is your own considered opinion (and are therefore not a Trumpbot).

Why are you so insistent that I think you a Trumpbot, despite me repeatedly saying the opposite?

Big... I'm literally laughing at this because I'm having trouble understanding how you can't see the issue here.... but I'm also having trouble explaining it because it seems so obvious to me... and if it's not to you, then I really don't know where to go.

The problem I sometimes have is that i know what I'm thinking when I write things... but others don't... so what makes perfect sense to me is sometimes lost on others. Maybe you're experiencing that?

How about this... (and this is an attempt at a comparable argument... not an actual statement towards you)

The argument you just made sounds eerily similar to the one that unthinking morons make.

The fact that I didn't literally call you an unthinking moron or that I didn't say it happens all the time (which seems to be your defense to the 'bot' comment) certainly doesn't detract from the clear implication that at least on this issue, at this time... that I am equating your answer to that of stupid people.

OK, so you don't get it at all and your analogy is a terrible one. I give up. If all y'all think that I think all y'all are Trumpbots, then I guess I can start thinking you are Trumpbots (or pretending I do) just so we stop discussing something so pointless. I'll probably go back into hibernation for another 4-6 weeks. Maybe longer this time. I don't get joy out of being here. I have never been addicted to drugs, but perhaps it is like a heroin addiction? Hard to stay away sometimes even if you know it is bad for you and makes you feel bad?

(06-23-2020 02:30 PM)mrbig Wrote:  What the holy hell. I'll be honest, sometimes I honestly wonder if some of you are much dumber than I give you credit for, because notwithstanding our disagreements, I think most of you are very intelligent.

Would the "some" and "most" numbers approximate the "half" that are in the basket of deplorables?

(06-23-2020 04:10 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 02:30 PM)mrbig Wrote:  What the holy hell. I'll be honest, sometimes I honestly wonder if some of you are much dumber than I give you credit for, because notwithstanding our disagreements, I think most of you are very intelligent.

Would the "some" and "most" numbers approximate the "half" that are in the basket of deplorables?

You tell me, you would be in a better position to know.

(06-23-2020 04:53 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 04:10 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 02:30 PM)mrbig Wrote:  What the holy hell. I'll be honest, sometimes I honestly wonder if some of you are much dumber than I give you credit for, because notwithstanding our disagreements, I think most of you are very intelligent.

Would the "some" and "most" numbers approximate the "half" that are in the basket of deplorables?

You tell me, you would be in a better position to know.

As a target, it think your opinion of me does not rely on percentages. But yes, i think your attitude toward us parallels Hillary's. So call it half.

(06-23-2020 05:13 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 04:53 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 04:10 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 02:30 PM)mrbig Wrote:  What the holy hell. I'll be honest, sometimes I honestly wonder if some of you are much dumber than I give you credit for, because notwithstanding our disagreements, I think most of you are very intelligent.

Would the "some" and "most" numbers approximate the "half" that are in the basket of deplorables?

You tell me, you would be in a better position to know.

As a target, it think your opinion of me does not rely on percentages. But yes, i think your attitude toward us parallels Hillary's. So call it half.

I don't have percentages and I never had (and never will) call anyone deplorable. Not sure what you are the target of re: your deplorables comment. You seemed to believe there were deplorables because you brought it up, so I thought you (as the one who brought it up) would be in the better position to provide an estimate. I don't think there are any deplorables, but you can try to convince me otherwise if that is your thing.

Regarding what I actually posted, do you believe that I think you are a Trumpbot? If no, then my message has been conveyed properly. Simple enough.