(11-02-2016 02:38 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:27 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Monday Nov 14th:
7pm FS1 - Binghamton at St John's.
7pm FS2 - Vermont at Providence.
Our coverage is so ridiculously deep that UVM-PC is pushed to FS2 to make room for Binghamton at St John's.

What about Friday, November 11:
6:30 Lafayette @ Villanova FS2
7:00 Farleigh Dickinson @ Seton Hall FSN
7:00 Lehigh @ Xavier FCS
9:00 UMKC @ Creighton FSN
9:00 Bethune Cookman @ St John's FS2

Right there is 5 games that aren't on FS1. Another 2 on that Saturday that aren't on FS1. So 1st weekend 7/9 games that are shown aren't on FS1.

According to this, we get UMKC at Creighton on FS1:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...e/_/id/156

small problem- the Bethune Cookman/St John's game already on there:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb.../_/group/4

(11-02-2016 02:36 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Again Stever, what are you comparing it to though? No other conference has as many games on a similar network as FS1. Even the Big Ten and SEC, with their own networks, have so many more of their games there, than on ESPN or ESPN 2. The ACC gets the most games on ESPN Networks, and as I showed above, look how many games are syndicated or only available online.

You are not really being fair here.

The problem is some Big East Fans say stuff like "99% of Big East non-conference games (and all BE games) are on national tv in HD".

The problem is- 99% of Big East non-conference games would be like 99/100 that the conference controls(at best). Well, given 1st weekend has 7 games that run counter to that argument, it's already bunked...

Then add to that the fact that 5 conference games are on FS2, along with 10 conference games on FSN, and 14 on CBSSN- that's right there 29 conference games that aren't nationally broadcast in HD.

(11-02-2016 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:36 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Again Stever, what are you comparing it to though? No other conference has as many games on a similar network as FS1. Even the Big Ten and SEC, with their own networks, have so many more of their games there, than on ESPN or ESPN 2. The ACC gets the most games on ESPN Networks, and as I showed above, look how many games are syndicated or only available online.

You are not really being fair here.

The problem is some Big East Fans say stuff like "99% of Big East non-conference games (and all BE games) are on national tv in HD".

The problem is- 99% of Big East non-conference games would be like 99/100 that the conference controls(at best). Well, given 1st weekend has 7 games that run counter to that argument, it's already bunked...

Then add to that the fact that 5 conference games are on FS2, along with 10 conference games on FSN, and 14 on CBSSN- that's right there 29 conference games that aren't nationally broadcast in HD.

My actual quote was:
"Seems like 99% of Big East non-conference games (and all BE games) are on national tv in HD..."

and, yeah, it "seems like" it's 99% when last year I watched the freakin Maine Black Bears, Stetson Hatters, Belmont Bears, Chicago State Cougars, Jackson State Tigers and the IUPUI Whatevers (edit "Jaguars") at Marquette on FS1 in HD... and that's just the Marquette games!

(11-02-2016 02:38 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:27 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Monday Nov 14th:
7pm FS1 - Binghamton at St John's.
7pm FS2 - Vermont at Providence.
Our coverage is so ridiculously deep that UVM-PC is pushed to FS2 to make room for Binghamton at St John's.

What about Friday, November 11:
6:30 Lafayette @ Villanova FS2
7:00 Farleigh Dickinson @ Seton Hall FSN
7:00 Lehigh @ Xavier FCS
9:00 UMKC @ Creighton FSN
9:00 Bethune Cookman @ St John's FS2

Right there is 5 games that aren't on FS1. Another 2 on that Saturday that aren't on FS1. So 1st weekend 7/9 games that are shown aren't on FS1.

According to this, we get UMKC at Creighton on FS1:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...e/_/id/156
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb.../_/id/2065

EDIT: wait, UMKC Creighton on FS2 at 9pm... Bethune Cookman vs St John's also shown 9pm on FS2... which one is right?

Just the fact that we're in a conversation about whether Bethune-Cookman vs St John's possibly could've gotten an FS1 HD game is freakin unbelievable.

NONE of those Friday games are on FS1.

(11-02-2016 02:51 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:36 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Again Stever, what are you comparing it to though? No other conference has as many games on a similar network as FS1. Even the Big Ten and SEC, with their own networks, have so many more of their games there, than on ESPN or ESPN 2. The ACC gets the most games on ESPN Networks, and as I showed above, look how many games are syndicated or only available online.

You are not really being fair here.

The problem is some Big East Fans say stuff like "99% of Big East non-conference games (and all BE games) are on national tv in HD".

The problem is- 99% of Big East non-conference games would be like 99/100 that the conference controls(at best). Well, given 1st weekend has 7 games that run counter to that argument, it's already bunked...

Then add to that the fact that 5 conference games are on FS2, along with 10 conference games on FSN, and 14 on CBSSN- that's right there 29 conference games that aren't nationally broadcast in HD.

My actual quote was:
"Seems like 99% of Big East non-conference games (and all BE games) are on national tv in HD..."

and, yeah, it "seems like" it's 99% when last year I watched the freakin Maine Black Bears, Stetson Hatters and IUPUI Whatevers at Marquette on FS1 in HD.

well then you just don't understand what 99% actually means. 99% means 1 out of the 100 games that the Big East controls- being on FS1. And we know that's not the case..

And small problem- the Maine game vs Marquette last year- was on FSN, not FS1.

(11-02-2016 02:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:51 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:36 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Again Stever, what are you comparing it to though? No other conference has as many games on a similar network as FS1. Even the Big Ten and SEC, with their own networks, have so many more of their games there, than on ESPN or ESPN 2. The ACC gets the most games on ESPN Networks, and as I showed above, look how many games are syndicated or only available online.

You are not really being fair here.

The problem is some Big East Fans say stuff like "99% of Big East non-conference games (and all BE games) are on national tv in HD".

The problem is- 99% of Big East non-conference games would be like 99/100 that the conference controls(at best). Well, given 1st weekend has 7 games that run counter to that argument, it's already bunked...

Then add to that the fact that 5 conference games are on FS2, along with 10 conference games on FSN, and 14 on CBSSN- that's right there 29 conference games that aren't nationally broadcast in HD.

My actual quote was:
"Seems like 99% of Big East non-conference games (and all BE games) are on national tv in HD..."

and, yeah, it "seems like" it's 99% when last year I watched the freakin Maine Black Bears, Stetson Hatters and IUPUI Whatevers at Marquette on FS1 in HD.

well then you just don't understand what 99% actually means. 99% means 1 out of the 100 games that the Big East controls- being on FS1. And we know that's not the case..

And small problem- the Maine game vs Marquette last year- was on FSN, not FS1.

I don't get FSN, and I taped and watched Maine at Marquette... Maine's coach had been at Rhode Island College, so I made a point of watching it... maybe FS2?

just take Providence last year. 4/8 OOC games that the Big East controlled were on FS1. Marquette had 6/10 games on FS1. Georgetown had 3/8 on FS1(or Fox). Nova had 6/8. It's not just that it wasn't 99%, it wasn't remotely close to 99%. Just those 4 teams were 19/34- or not even 60%.

And those numbers are going to drop next year when the Big Ten comes over. Big Ten games aren't going to be on FS2 much at all.

For the record, the Marquette/Maine game last year was on FSN. FSN in your area is NESN.

Looking at Just Marquette this year, it looks like every game is on some sort of national TV. Not all FS1, but all are on nationally.

But Stever, it seems you are arguing semantics. His 99% quote might be out of line (I think it was a purposeful exaggeration, not to be taken to the bank), but the Big East has more games on national TV as a percentage than ANY OTHER conference, when you consider the other major conferences either have regional conference networks, or use broad syndication. And it really isn't close in that regard.

So I am not sure what the argument is about.

(11-02-2016 02:57 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:51 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 02:36 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Again Stever, what are you comparing it to though? No other conference has as many games on a similar network as FS1. Even the Big Ten and SEC, with their own networks, have so many more of their games there, than on ESPN or ESPN 2. The ACC gets the most games on ESPN Networks, and as I showed above, look how many games are syndicated or only available online.

You are not really being fair here.

The problem is some Big East Fans say stuff like "99% of Big East non-conference games (and all BE games) are on national tv in HD".

The problem is- 99% of Big East non-conference games would be like 99/100 that the conference controls(at best). Well, given 1st weekend has 7 games that run counter to that argument, it's already bunked...

Then add to that the fact that 5 conference games are on FS2, along with 10 conference games on FSN, and 14 on CBSSN- that's right there 29 conference games that aren't nationally broadcast in HD.

My actual quote was:
"Seems like 99% of Big East non-conference games (and all BE games) are on national tv in HD..."

and, yeah, it "seems like" it's 99% when last year I watched the freakin Maine Black Bears, Stetson Hatters and IUPUI Whatevers at Marquette on FS1 in HD.

well then you just don't understand what 99% actually means. 99% means 1 out of the 100 games that the Big East controls- being on FS1. And we know that's not the case..

And small problem- the Maine game vs Marquette last year- was on FSN, not FS1.

I don't get FSN, and I taped and watched Maine at Marquette... Maine's coach had been at Rhode Island College, so I made a point of watching it... maybe FS2?

took it from this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Marquette_Golden_Eagles_men%27s_basketball_team

(11-02-2016 03:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  For the record, the Marquette/Maine game last year was on FSN. FSN in your area is NESN.

Looking at Just Marquette this year, it looks like every game is on some sort of national TV. Not all FS1, but all are on nationally.

Marquette-
5 CBSSN
3 FS2
15 FS1
2 FSN
2 ESPN2
1 ESPNU
1 wild card game with Fox, FS2, FSN

So 10 games on CBSSN, FS2, or FSN. That's not national- and for at least 3 of them not HD for all. And maybe a 11th/4th.

Ok, so NESN had the Maine game via FSN. Those FS1 games included Presbyterian and Jackson State, etc.

Stever, I've forgotten what we're even discussing and I have no idea what your point is, except to be a smart ass and to define what 99% means. The coverage of the Big East is insane.

I gotta get back to work.

(11-02-2016 03:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 03:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  For the record, the Marquette/Maine game last year was on FSN. FSN in your area is NESN.

Looking at Just Marquette this year, it looks like every game is on some sort of national TV. Not all FS1, but all are on nationally.

Marquette-
5 CBSSN
3 FS2
15 FS1
2 FSN
2 ESPN2
1 ESPNU
1 wild card game with Fox, FS2, FSN

So 10 games on CBSSN, FS2, or FSN. That's not national- and for at least 3 of them not HD for all. And maybe a 11th/4th.

CBS Sports is national. FSN is national (although in some areas you could have a conflict). FS2 is national. Just because you don't define them as national, doesn't mean they aren't. They are all available in over 90 million homes (I didn't say they are "in" 90 million, but they are available). that is national my friend.

It's good coverage- but it's not insane.

Compare what Marquette has with UConn....
UConn has 9 games guaranteed already on ESPN or ESPN2. Another 2 on CBS and 1 on Fox. Then maybe 2 more in Maui on ESPN or 2. That's 14 on ESPN,2,CBS, or Fox. Then 7 on CBSSN and 1 on ESPNU.

Sorry but games being on ESPN or ESPN2 are just better than on FS1. Like it or not, but FS1 is pretty close to ESPNU or ESPNews.

(11-02-2016 03:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's good coverage- but it's not insane.

Compare what Marquette has with UConn....
UConn has 9 games guaranteed already on ESPN or ESPN2. Another 2 on CBS and 1 on Fox. Then maybe 2 more in Maui on ESPN or 2. That's 14 on ESPN,2,CBS, or Fox. Then 7 on CBSSN and 1 on ESPNU.

So games on CBS Sports Network are good when talking about UConn, but bad when talking about the BE? You are not even being consistent now. Not to mention, using your own argument that CBS Sports is not national, UConn has 17 games that are not on national TV compared to ten for Marquette, again using your own argument.

(11-02-2016 03:26 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 03:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's good coverage- but it's not insane.

Compare what Marquette has with UConn....
UConn has 9 games guaranteed already on ESPN or ESPN2. Another 2 on CBS and 1 on Fox. Then maybe 2 more in Maui on ESPN or 2. That's 14 on ESPN,2,CBS, or Fox. Then 7 on CBSSN and 1 on ESPNU.

So games on CBS Sports Network are good when talking about UConn, but bad when talking about the BE? You are not even being consistent now. Not to mention, using your own argument that CBS Sports is not national, UConn has 17 games that are not on national TV compared to ten for Marquette, again using your own argument.

Stever Logic 101 states that anything pro Big East is automatically wrong and that the AAC is the greatest conference in the history of sports.

(11-02-2016 03:26 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 03:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's good coverage- but it's not insane.

Compare what Marquette has with UConn....
UConn has 9 games guaranteed already on ESPN or ESPN2. Another 2 on CBS and 1 on Fox. Then maybe 2 more in Maui on ESPN or 2. That's 14 on ESPN,2,CBS, or Fox. Then 7 on CBSSN and 1 on ESPNU.

So games on CBS Sports Network are good when talking about UConn, but bad when talking about the BE? You are not even being consistent now. Not to mention, using your own argument that CBS Sports is not national, UConn has 17 games that are not on national TV compared to ten for Marquette, again using your own argument.

UConn has 14 National ones, to 17 for Marquette.
UConn has 7 on CBSSN, 1 ESPNU
Marquette has 5 on CBSSN, 1 ESPNU, but then 3 FS2.

I'd rather have more games on CBSSN than FS2.

And the ones that are left are the dreg games.

The reality is that FS1 (and maybe FS2) can work...with the right programming.

As has been indicated, MLB and college football can get high ratings. College basketball ratings, no matter what league, will only go so high.

And the other reality is that they need more inventory. People are just tuning in for one game and switching...there is no carry over.

(11-02-2016 04:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  UConn has 14 National ones, to 17 for Marquette.
UConn has 7 on CBSSN, 1 ESPNU
Marquette has 5 on CBSSN, 1 ESPNU, but then 3 FS2.

I'd rather have more games on CBSSN than FS2.

And the ones that are left are the dreg games.

What you did was change the subject. Now would you like to address how earlier you stated games on CBS Sports Net were basically no good, and now they are suddenly preferred? Also you left out the dreg games? Isn't that kind of the point? That the BE is getting their "dreg" games on national TV? C'mon man. Try harder than this.

(11-02-2016 04:31 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 04:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  UConn has 14 National ones, to 17 for Marquette.
UConn has 7 on CBSSN, 1 ESPNU
Marquette has 5 on CBSSN, 1 ESPNU, but then 3 FS2.

I'd rather have more games on CBSSN than FS2.

And the ones that are left are the dreg games.

What you did was change the subject. Now would you like to address how earlier you stated games on CBS Sports Net were basically no good, and now they are suddenly preferred? Also you left out the dreg games? Isn't that kind of the point? That the BE is getting their "dreg" games on national TV? C'mon man. Try harder than this.

they're better than being on FS2.

And sorry, but games on FSN are not on national tv.

(11-02-2016 04:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  they're better than being on FS2.

And sorry, but games on FSN are not on national tv.

FSN networks are on basic cable in nearly every market, and they cover a most of the of the country. Did you know that before FS1 was rebranded a few years ago, that is how nearly all Big 12 cable games were shown? That is national F'n TV. It doesn't matter what you think.

In reality FSN has 91 million subscribers. More than ESPN, ESPN 2, CBS Sports. More than FS2, more than ESPN U and ESPN News It doesn't matter if YOU don't think it is a national network or not, YOU are clearly wrong. Without debate. End of discussion.

• Ct. Cable Network 2013 Subscribers
  106 FSN - Fox Sports Net 68,000,000
  
  Fox Sports plus affiliates who carry FSN Programs -
  Ct. Cable Network 2013 Subscribers
  120 FSN South 11,300,000
  175 MSG Plus 9,500,000
  121 FSN SouthWest 9,000,000
  122 FSN West 6,900,000
  110 FSN Florida 6,500,000
  111 FSN Midwest 5,400,000
  57 Comcast SportsNet Mid Atlantic 4,600,000
  116 FSN Ohio 4,500,000
  108 FSN Bay Area 4,000,000
  194 New England Sports Network 4,000,000
  115 FSN Northwest 3,400,000
  109 FSN Detroit 3,200,000
  114 FSN North 3,000,000
  118 FSN Prime Ticket (fka FSN West 2) 3,000,000
  112 FSN New England 2,900,000
  113 FSN New York 2,700,000
  119 FSN Rocky Mountain 2,500,000
  107 FSN Arizona 2,300,000
  117 FSN Pittsburgh 2,300,000
  NA Total subscribers 91,000,000

Even if you take off 10% for overlap, it's still as many as FS1 has. Not national my ass.