(07-13-2016 04:27 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 11:46 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 06:03 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 05:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you have a CCW and get stopped? Inform the officer your have a permit and there is a loaded firearm in the vehicle. Put your hands on the steering wheel and follow the officers instructions. If you do these two things? You will not give the officer any reason to nervous and misinterpret your intentions. Im skeptical of the reason for the initial stop...but...Castile's actions went against the training he was supposed to receive during the CCW class. It is a tragedy.

Why would the passenger reach over and place their hands on the drivers wheel? According to the driver the officer asked him for id, and shot him for 'reaching'

Sigh...
1) so put them on the dash or just 'up' and wait to be told what to do AFTER you've established that you have something that is going to put the cop on edge.
2) the interview I saw with the driver, SHE said that the cop asked him for ID... HE RESPONDED THAT HE HAD A GUN (something you conveniently left out) as he reached for the ID.

It's bad, no doubt... but you don't need to make it worse by misrepresenting it. I'm not saying what I described is what happened. I'm saying that the interview I saw with the girl on the video, that is what SHE said.

THAT is why the response that while he was correct to identify that he had a gun, he shouldn't have moved.

When you identify that you have a gun, in most cases, the cops are instructed to treat you as a threat until the gun is secured. And this 'threat' moved.

We can discuss the merit of that sort of policy... but I'm pretty sure that if ANY of us were in that job, we'd err on the side of policies that protected us. Tragic MISTAKE. MAYBE the cop was a racist and thus 'angry' more than scared. Maybe the cop was poorly suited to be a cop and thus unreasonably 'scared'. I haven't seen convincing evidence to support that yet, nor would I expect to, yet. Until then, the most obvious explanation is a tragic accident where someone with a CCL didn't do what he should have been trained to do. Maybe the guy who trained him was racist and he told him to HURRY and show the cop your carry permit?

I've never understood this.
The few local cops I've talked to about notifying here in Norfolk VA have said if somebody says they have a gun, and are a permit holder they are usually more comfortable.

VA does not require a CCW holder to tell the officer they have a gun with them during a traffic stop unless specifically asked.
If I remember correctly Minnesota is the same. (Been a while since I was in MN and the laws might have changed.)
The fact that people do tell them lets them know they are not trying to hide anything and are looking to be as helpful to the officer as possible.

I guess their thoughts are, a criminal wouldn't tell me he's carrying.
The one time I was stopped while carrying, I told the officer and he didn't care. Might have been because I already had my paperwork out of the glove box in my hand (While holding the wheel) when he approached.

LEOs generally like knowing someone has a CCW since it means some sheriff or police official in the relatively recent past has already vetted the background check. Concealed carry permit holders are statistically off the charts compared to non CCW holders when it comes to not getting arrested for criminal activities. If you are pulling someone over at night, the LEO's I have talked to actually prefer it to be a concealed carry permit holder. They know the chances of hijinks are lower.

In Ohio, its a law that notification be given at first contact. I even do that if I do not have a firearm on me or in the car....last thing I want is them wondering why it comes up on the dashboard screen that I have a CCW but did not notify. If I do not tell them I have a CCW and am not carrying, they think I'm up to something.

And yes, the CCW holder designation pops up on the police dash screen where I live.

(07-13-2016 03:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:10 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Sounds legit.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-ameri...a8df880201

Sure does, Castile close up photo compared to the armed robber.

so just to be clear, if some white dude with a big nose robs a bank...every jewish dude driving around the area is fair game? I don't think it works that way...

(07-13-2016 05:08 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 03:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:10 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Sounds legit.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-ameri...a8df880201

Sure does, Castile close up photo compared to the armed robber.

so just to be clear, if some white dude with a big nose robs a bank...every jewish dude driving around the area is fair game? I don't think it works that way...

Sure it does. We all look the same, right?

(07-13-2016 05:11 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 05:08 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 03:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:10 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Sounds legit.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-ameri...a8df880201

Sure does, Castile close up photo compared to the armed robber.

so just to be clear, if some white dude with a big nose robs a bank...every jewish dude driving around the area is fair game? I don't think it works that way...

Sure it does. We all look the same, right?

why is that OK when applied to the black guy, then?

(07-13-2016 05:08 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 03:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:10 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Sounds legit.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-ameri...a8df880201

Sure does, Castile close up photo compared to the armed robber.

so just to be clear, if some white dude with a big nose robs a bank...every jewish dude driving around the area is fair game? I don't think it works that way...

You don't think cops keep a book of photos of recent criminals in a particular hood that they service? He looks like the guy who did the armed robbery.

(07-13-2016 05:13 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 05:11 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 05:08 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 03:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:10 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Sounds legit.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-ameri...a8df880201

Sure does, Castile close up photo compared to the armed robber.

so just to be clear, if some white dude with a big nose robs a bank...every jewish dude driving around the area is fair game? I don't think it works that way...

Sure it does. We all look the same, right?

why is that OK when applied to the black guy, then?

just because the cop didnt mention the other physical characteristics, i.e. dreads, glasses, beard, skin color, etc. , doesnt mean that he didnt notice them...

I swear, liberals will find any little thing to complain about... "OMG, he said I had black hair... thats racist!"

(07-13-2016 05:08 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 03:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:10 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Sounds legit.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-ameri...a8df880201

Sure does, Castile close up photo compared to the armed robber.

so just to be clear, if some white dude with a big nose robs a bank...every jewish dude driving around the area is fair game? I don't think it works that way...

Yes. If someone matches the physical description of a suspect they get checked out.

And despite the hysteria from the left and those who hate law enforcement a "wide nose" is a legitimate physical descriptor. Just like whites and every other race blacks have different sized noses as well.

One thing we don't know is the exact events and sequence of events and really without a recording of the event we will never know. Did the driver have his hands on the wheel until told to get out his ID? Did he inform the officer about the weapon and was then told to get out the ID or did he tell him after being told to get ID out or was it basically at the same time. Sometimes in stressful situations conflicting orders can be given, "don't move" "get out of the car" "keep your hands where I can see them" "remove your ID". Sometimes in a stressful situation the subject gets confused and does the opposite of what they are told, not in defiance but just poor processing of information. After something like this happens everyone there will have a different version, not because anyone is lying but because memory is far from perfect and everyone is experiencing the event differently. I think this was a tragic accident not a rogue cop. Body cams would have given us a much clearer, though not perfect picture.

The better question is...

If you're looking for a black guy of (I'm not good at ages... maybe 25?) with a 'slight' beard and mustache and braids... close cropped on the sides...

would you give Castile (especially the beard in the picture taken 3 days before) a second look?

I think I would.

(07-13-2016 02:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  By the way, some reports have said that he has been pulled over 31 times by suburban police officers. And most of the tickets were subsequently dropped. Its been well over 10 years since I've been stopped.

I think I read 52. And its pretty ridiculous to think that is all just bad luck or DWB. What I read was "many" were dropped (meaning many were not). He clearly made some bad decisions driving.

(07-13-2016 02:58 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 02:54 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Not that it matters, but has anyone mentioned the fact that the officer in this case was not white? Sort of hurts the narrative a bit... but they can always fall back on blanket "police brutality" in general in this case...regardless of any facts that get in the way.

His name is Jeronimo Yanez.

Media hid that info as it would have hurt their desire to incite hatred and thus decreased eyeballs thereby decreasing advertising dollars. Things like this make it so obvious. Folks are puppets on a string.

Yes, I've seen that in several articles. They mention white in Baton Rouge but just say police officer or cop in Minnesota.

(07-13-2016 02:35 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

Theres a lot of dumb mofos out there.

(07-13-2016 03:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:10 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Sounds legit.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-ameri...a8df880201

Sure does, Castile close up photo compared to the armed robber.

Another false narrative?

Hands up don't shoot again... over and over again!

I thought this was interesting (if true). Senator Tim Scott has been pulled over 7 times in the last year including once because they thought he might be driving a stolen car. Capital Police have pulled him three times since he joined the senate. Not sure if it is true but if it is it sure sounds like DWB.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...31188.html
....
"Mr. Fryer found that in such situations, officers in Houston were about 20 percent less likely to shoot if the suspects were black. This estimate was not precise, and firmer conclusions would require more data. But in various models controlling for different factors and using different definitions of tense situations, Mr. Fryer found that blacks were either less likely to be shot or there was no difference between blacks and whites."....

(07-13-2016 10:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I thought this was interesting (if true). Senator Tim Scott has been pulled over 7 times in the last year including once because they thought he might be driving a stolen car. Capital Police have pulled him three times since he joined the senate. Not sure if it is true but if it is it sure sounds like DWB.

Found an article and Scott was saying all of this and more. Told of a staffer that had a Chrysler 300 and got pulled over so many times he sold it and got a less conspicuous car and his brother getting pulled over because he was driving a Volvo and officer figured it was stolen. Considering the source I thought what he told about was compelling.

(07-13-2016 10:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I thought this was interesting (if true). Senator Tim Scott has been pulled over 7 times in the last year including once because they thought he might be driving a stolen car. Capital Police have pulled him three times since he joined the senate. Not sure if it is true but if it is it sure sounds like DWB.

Sounds like the DC Police have a serious problem with racism

Actually, he admitted he was speeding at times, and claimed it was simply because he was driving a new car. I find that hard to believe. New cars in DC being driven by well dressed people of color is hardly unusual. He also told a story about having his pin, but being asked for his ID. I actually think that is legitimate. I'd hate to think we were entrusting the security of our capitol to wearing the right lapel pin (like they can't be stolen or copied)

Not saying he was never profiled... just that of the 7 times, he admits he deserved it at least a few of those times.

(07-13-2016 06:36 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 03:08 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:10 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Sounds legit.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-ameri...a8df880201

Sure does, Castile close up photo compared to the armed robber.

Another false narrative?

Hmmmm, That close up is far more revealing . You can see an identical beard and Hairstyle in play as well as facial structure. Very close resemblance, No if They can find those clothes or that #3 hat and gather the DNA, case closed on robbery suspect.