Sounds legit.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-ameri...a8df880201

So when did this so called robbery happen ? that's the first I've heard about it. This shooting to Me was totally wrong and I can understand the outrage over this one.

If you have a CCW and get stopped? Inform the officer your have a permit and there is a loaded firearm in the vehicle. Put your hands on the steering wheel and follow the officers instructions. If you do these two things? You will not give the officer any reason to nervous and misinterpret your intentions. Im skeptical of the reason for the initial stop...but...Castile's actions went against the training he was supposed to receive during the CCW class. It is a tragedy.

(07-13-2016 05:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you have a CCW and get stopped? Inform the officer your have a permit and there is a loaded firearm in the vehicle. Put your hands on the steering wheel and follow the officers instructions. If you do these two things? You will not give the officer any reason to nervous and misinterpret your intentions. Im skeptical of the reason for the initial stop...but...Castile's actions went against the training he was supposed to receive during the CCW class. It is a tragedy.

Why would the passenger reach over and place their hands on the drivers wheel? According to the driver the officer asked him for id, and shot him for 'reaching'

How about waiting until the investigation is over liberal clowns.

(07-13-2016 05:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you have a CCW and get stopped? Inform the officer your have a permit and there is a loaded firearm in the vehicle. Put your hands on the steering wheel and follow the officers instructions. If you do these two things? You will not give the officer any reason to nervous and misinterpret your intentions. Im skeptical of the reason for the initial stop...but...Castile's actions went against the training he was supposed to receive during the CCW class. It is a tragedy.

that's XACLY! what you do....you fk'n tell them you are carrying or have one in the vehicle....

they'll call it in to make sure it's legal and then you go on your merry fk'n way....

(07-12-2016 10:10 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Sounds legit.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-ameri...a8df880201

It's an identifying feature. No problem with it. The surveillance footage of the robbery shows a guy that looks rather similar to Castile in many aspects other than just the shape of his nose. If that is what caught the officer's attention so be it.

I said in another thread that this was as close to murder as I've seen by a cop. Until all the details come out I still think it looks bad, regardless of the reason he stopped Castile. There's a grainy photo that supposedly shows Castile's gun in his lap and his hand on it, but I can't tell enough at this point.

(07-13-2016 05:29 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So when did this so called robbery happen ? that's the first I've heard about it. This shooting to Me was totally wrong and I can understand the outrage over this one.

Three days prior and the suspect had more than a passing resemblance to Castile.



That being said I'm with you on understanding the outrage here.

(07-13-2016 06:03 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 05:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you have a CCW and get stopped? Inform the officer your have a permit and there is a loaded firearm in the vehicle. Put your hands on the steering wheel and follow the officers instructions. If you do these two things? You will not give the officer any reason to nervous and misinterpret your intentions. Im skeptical of the reason for the initial stop...but...Castile's actions went against the training he was supposed to receive during the CCW class. It is a tragedy.

Why would the passenger reach over and place their hands on the drivers wheel? According to the driver the officer asked him for id, and shot him for 'reaching'

He was driving. Glad to see you've really read into this cae before coming to an uninformed opinion..

BTW: If you're the passenger you put your hands on the dash.

There is some question as to whether he had a CCP. Regardless, this shooting seems inexcusable in face of all that is currently known.

(07-13-2016 11:07 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  There is some question as to whether he had a CCP. Regardless, this shooting seems inexcusable in face of all that is currently known.

No, he had a permit. I beleive it was issued in another county in Minnesota so when they were asked about it the Hennipen Sheriff's department said "we did not issue..."

That caused the confusion.

(07-13-2016 11:11 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 11:07 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  There is some question as to whether he had a CCP. Regardless, this shooting seems inexcusable in face of all that is currently known.

No, he had a permit. I beleive it was issued in another county in Minnesota so when they were asked about it the Hennipen Sheriff's department said "we did not issue..."

That caused the confusion.

Makes sense. Thanks.

How is this any different than saying bright red hair, lots of freckles, large scar on forehead or any other "unusual" feature that could help id?

(07-13-2016 11:21 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  How is this any different than saying bright red hair, lots of freckles, large scar on forehead or any other "unusual" feature that could help id?

Anything to make it more racial. That gets more eyeballs.

(07-13-2016 05:29 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So when did this so called robbery happen ? that's the first I've heard about it. This shooting to Me was totally wrong and I can understand the outrage over this one.

The officer called in as he made the stop, before he approached the car, and said he resembled the armed robbery suspect.

It really takes someone with a closed mind to think he would call that in when he just wanted to stop somebody for DWB. If he was doing that he wouldn't have called it in, he would have just stopped him.

(07-13-2016 06:03 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 05:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you have a CCW and get stopped? Inform the officer your have a permit and there is a loaded firearm in the vehicle. Put your hands on the steering wheel and follow the officers instructions. If you do these two things? You will not give the officer any reason to nervous and misinterpret your intentions. Im skeptical of the reason for the initial stop...but...Castile's actions went against the training he was supposed to receive during the CCW class. It is a tragedy.

Why would the passenger reach over and place their hands on the drivers wheel? According to the driver the officer asked him for id, and shot him for 'reaching'

Sigh...
1) so put them on the dash or just 'up' and wait to be told what to do AFTER you've established that you have something that is going to put the cop on edge.
2) the interview I saw with the driver, SHE said that the cop asked him for ID... HE RESPONDED THAT HE HAD A GUN (something you conveniently left out) as he reached for the ID.

It's bad, no doubt... but you don't need to make it worse by misrepresenting it. I'm not saying what I described is what happened. I'm saying that the interview I saw with the girl on the video, that is what SHE said.

THAT is why the response that while he was correct to identify that he had a gun, he shouldn't have moved.

When you identify that you have a gun, in most cases, the cops are instructed to treat you as a threat until the gun is secured. And this 'threat' moved.

We can discuss the merit of that sort of policy... but I'm pretty sure that if ANY of us were in that job, we'd err on the side of policies that protected us. Tragic MISTAKE. MAYBE the cop was a racist and thus 'angry' more than scared. Maybe the cop was poorly suited to be a cop and thus unreasonably 'scared'. I haven't seen convincing evidence to support that yet, nor would I expect to, yet. Until then, the most obvious explanation is a tragic accident where someone with a CCL didn't do what he should have been trained to do. Maybe the guy who trained him was racist and he told him to HURRY and show the cop your carry permit?

(07-13-2016 06:03 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 05:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you have a CCW and get stopped? Inform the officer your have a permit and there is a loaded firearm in the vehicle. Put your hands on the steering wheel and follow the officers instructions. If you do these two things? You will not give the officer any reason to nervous and misinterpret your intentions. Im skeptical of the reason for the initial stop...but...Castile's actions went against the training he was supposed to receive during the CCW class. It is a tragedy.

Why would the passenger reach over and place their hands on the drivers wheel? According to the driver the officer asked him for id, and shot him for 'reaching'

I believe he was driving some kind of Australian car. why?

(07-13-2016 11:21 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  How is this any different than saying bright red hair, lots of freckles, large scar on forehead or any other "unusual" feature that could help id?

#gingerlivesmatter

color/race is a perfectly acceptable descriptor to identify a suspect... as long as it is deemed reliable. No sense stopping black females if you're looking for a white male. I suppose you DO have to worry a bit about gender, since that can be faked at a distance.

Sounds like he fit the description of a thug that had jus committed a robbery. There's the probable cause.
Now if he'd just followed the instruction of the law ( given to him during the CC certification, and comply with the officer, he'd still be breathing. Play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

So what he had a CC permit, you still don't have the weapon resting in your lap.

One more out I the gene pool!