(03-11-2016 03:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  somebody called me an idiot (not you) for bringing up nafta and lobbyists as 'not relevant' to the overall problems....

I've noticed silence over the last couple of days.....

that en macro thingy comes in handy at times.....

Of course they are relevant. Trump is telling you the problems but gives the wrong solutions and has a Napoleon complex. It wouldn't be pretty.

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(03-11-2016 11:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 03:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  somebody called me an idiot (not you) for bringing up nafta and lobbyists as 'not relevant' to the overall problems....

I've noticed silence over the last couple of days.....

that en macro thingy comes in handy at times.....

Of course they are relevant. Trump is telling you the problems but gives the wrong solutions and has a Napoleon complex. It wouldn't be pretty.

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we'll agree to disagree.....

pay attention to Kasich and let's see how this plays out....

and we both want some form of the right to win this......just know that

(03-11-2016 04:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  NAFTA created a climate in which US companies saw opportunity to move across the border and take advantage of the cheap labor without penalty. The second Congress saw this happening...it should have levied a stiff tax on goods from those companies. This is the part of NAFTA that was a failure IMO and one that was not foreseen. Actually...If you do some research NAFTA was generally successful in its goals other than this. The GDP of all 3 nations increased after NAFTA...there was a modest increase in wages in all 3 nations after NAFTA and almost zero of the fears that many had about it materialized...except the one that PEROT predicted...That giant sucking sound.

I don't know if this is particularly damaging to Kasich or not. It was fast tracked by Bush and signed by more Republicans than Democrats. There is a lot of argument on its damage or success. I believe it was a failure...not because of the treaty..but..the lack of attention to its consequences by later administrations and leaders in Congress. NAFTA could have been actually a great deal if it had been tracked each year and the problems it created had been addressed.

I cannot agree enough more with the above....this is where the red fk'd it all up....

I'm going to take it a step further with robotics.....that shite has to stop too.....

at some point people need to understand the simple shite.....

So what is Trump going to do? Start a trade war or make more great deals for future congresses to screw up? Which is it? Has Trump said he is going to tear up NAFTA or just say it's a bad deal made by stupid people and he'll make better deals?

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(03-12-2016 12:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  NAFTA created a climate in which US companies saw opportunity to move across the border and take advantage of the cheap labor without penalty. The second Congress saw this happening...it should have levied a stiff tax on goods from those companies. This is the part of NAFTA that was a failure IMO and one that was not foreseen. Actually...If you do some research NAFTA was generally successful in its goals other than this. The GDP of all 3 nations increased after NAFTA...there was a modest increase in wages in all 3 nations after NAFTA and almost zero of the fears that many had about it materialized...except the one that PEROT predicted...That giant sucking sound.

I don't know if this is particularly damaging to Kasich or not. It was fast tracked by Bush and signed by more Republicans than Democrats. There is a lot of argument on its damage or success. I believe it was a failure...not because of the treaty..but..the lack of attention to its consequences by later administrations and leaders in Congress. NAFTA could have been actually a great deal if it had been tracked each year and the problems it created had been addressed.

I cannot agree enough more with the above....this is where the red fk'd it all up....

I'm going to take it a step further with robotics.....that shite has to stop too.....

at some point people need to understand the simple shite.....

So what is Trump going to do? Start a trade war or make more great deals for future congresses to screw up? Which is it? Has Trump said he is going to tear up NAFTA or just say it's a bad deal made by stupid people and he'll make better deals?

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again, I don't pretend to have all the answers.....neither does he....

nor does any great leader.....

but keep on keepin' on if you want to realize poverty across the board....

again, some brains think en macro....it's the media and most that think in micro....

enjoy that.....my arse is gone asap...

(03-12-2016 12:00 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 11:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 03:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  somebody called me an idiot (not you) for bringing up nafta and lobbyists as 'not relevant' to the overall problems....

I've noticed silence over the last couple of days.....

that en macro thingy comes in handy at times.....

Of course they are relevant. Trump is telling you the problems but gives the wrong solutions and has a Napoleon complex. It wouldn't be pretty.

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we'll agree to disagree.....

pay attention to Kasich and let's see how this plays out....

and we both want some form of the right to win this......just know that

Kasich is almost worse. He won't even admit there is a problem and he thinks he can work with the democrats and turn the federal bureaucracy and government machine into Ohio. If they give him the nomination and he becomes President, Cruz will turn him into a lame duck before his first 100 days are up.

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(03-12-2016 12:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  NAFTA created a climate in which US companies saw opportunity to move across the border and take advantage of the cheap labor without penalty. The second Congress saw this happening...it should have levied a stiff tax on goods from those companies. This is the part of NAFTA that was a failure IMO and one that was not foreseen. Actually...If you do some research NAFTA was generally successful in its goals other than this. The GDP of all 3 nations increased after NAFTA...there was a modest increase in wages in all 3 nations after NAFTA and almost zero of the fears that many had about it materialized...except the one that PEROT predicted...That giant sucking sound.

I don't know if this is particularly damaging to Kasich or not. It was fast tracked by Bush and signed by more Republicans than Democrats. There is a lot of argument on its damage or success. I believe it was a failure...not because of the treaty..but..the lack of attention to its consequences by later administrations and leaders in Congress. NAFTA could have been actually a great deal if it had been tracked each year and the problems it created had been addressed.

I cannot agree enough more with the above....this is where the red fk'd it all up....

I'm going to take it a step further with robotics.....that shite has to stop too.....

at some point people need to understand the simple shite.....

So what is Trump going to do? Start a trade war or make more great deals for future congresses to screw up? Which is it? Has Trump said he is going to tear up NAFTA or just say it's a bad deal made by stupid people and he'll make better deals?

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again, I don't pretend to have all the answers.....neither does he....

nor does any great leader.....

but keep on keepin' on if you want to realize poverty across the board....

again, some brains think en macro....it's the media and most that think in micro....

enjoy that.....my arse is gone asap...

Then why is he "threatening" a 45% tariff with China, which is probably illegal? A VAT is legal and we are the only suckers not doing it, which gives everyone about a 40% advantage over us. He opposes it.

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(03-12-2016 12:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  NAFTA created a climate in which US companies saw opportunity to move across the border and take advantage of the cheap labor without penalty. The second Congress saw this happening...it should have levied a stiff tax on goods from those companies. This is the part of NAFTA that was a failure IMO and one that was not foreseen. Actually...If you do some research NAFTA was generally successful in its goals other than this. The GDP of all 3 nations increased after NAFTA...there was a modest increase in wages in all 3 nations after NAFTA and almost zero of the fears that many had about it materialized...except the one that PEROT predicted...That giant sucking sound.

I don't know if this is particularly damaging to Kasich or not. It was fast tracked by Bush and signed by more Republicans than Democrats. There is a lot of argument on its damage or success. I believe it was a failure...not because of the treaty..but..the lack of attention to its consequences by later administrations and leaders in Congress. NAFTA could have been actually a great deal if it had been tracked each year and the problems it created had been addressed.

I cannot agree enough more with the above....this is where the red fk'd it all up....

I'm going to take it a step further with robotics.....that shite has to stop too.....

at some point people need to understand the simple shite.....

So what is Trump going to do? Start a trade war or make more great deals for future congresses to screw up? Which is it? Has Trump said he is going to tear up NAFTA or just say it's a bad deal made by stupid people and he'll make better deals?

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The main power of the Presidency is the bully pulpit. He'll have to go directly to the people and put together a coalition of people to demand an alteration to the status quo on NAFTA and the TPP from their reps.

I suspect such a coalition would not be that hard to find. Start in the midwest and work your way out and call a few union shops on the way.

The reason people think there is no such coalition is because nobody since Ross Perot has had any desire whatsoever to find it.

Would Trump go that route? I have no idea.

(03-12-2016 12:22 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  NAFTA created a climate in which US companies saw opportunity to move across the border and take advantage of the cheap labor without penalty. The second Congress saw this happening...it should have levied a stiff tax on goods from those companies. This is the part of NAFTA that was a failure IMO and one that was not foreseen. Actually...If you do some research NAFTA was generally successful in its goals other than this. The GDP of all 3 nations increased after NAFTA...there was a modest increase in wages in all 3 nations after NAFTA and almost zero of the fears that many had about it materialized...except the one that PEROT predicted...That giant sucking sound.

I don't know if this is particularly damaging to Kasich or not. It was fast tracked by Bush and signed by more Republicans than Democrats. There is a lot of argument on its damage or success. I believe it was a failure...not because of the treaty..but..the lack of attention to its consequences by later administrations and leaders in Congress. NAFTA could have been actually a great deal if it had been tracked each year and the problems it created had been addressed.

I cannot agree enough more with the above....this is where the red fk'd it all up....

I'm going to take it a step further with robotics.....that shite has to stop too.....

at some point people need to understand the simple shite.....

So what is Trump going to do? Start a trade war or make more great deals for future congresses to screw up? Which is it? Has Trump said he is going to tear up NAFTA or just say it's a bad deal made by stupid people and he'll make better deals?

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again, I don't pretend to have all the answers.....neither does he....

nor does any great leader.....

but keep on keepin' on if you want to realize poverty across the board....

again, some brains think en macro....it's the media and most that think in micro....

enjoy that.....my arse is gone asap...

Then why is he "threatening" a 45% tariff with China, which is probably illegal? A VAT is legal and we are the only suckers not doing it, which gives everyone about a 40% advantage over us. He opposes it.

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"legal" is a very subjective term and can change like the wind...hasn't Obama taught us that?

and as he alluded to, "threatening" is all that is happening now....

as a voter, I'm easily for reforming how we do business overseas.....it's obvious the things that have happened over the last few decades hasn't worked.....

and internally, Cruz' flat tax is a loser all day and ever day.....talk about creating a system that further promotes a lack of incentive....a consumption tax is where it needs to go....I don't do nuts and will bolt if things don't work out....

I'm a broken record with this shite at this point....it's become tiring and annoying....

I'm just gonna sit back and hope that the populous makes a decision to vote for the guy I'm backing....

he's this country's best shot at improvement.....the rest are dogshite....

Cruz is double talking out of his arse right now.....just like the media trying to protect their self interests and ad dollars....

I hate this shite across the board.....but this one is the first real opportunity where a career politician may not win....I want to see how that works out...and that is my right as a registered voter...

(03-12-2016 12:25 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  NAFTA created a climate in which US companies saw opportunity to move across the border and take advantage of the cheap labor without penalty. The second Congress saw this happening...it should have levied a stiff tax on goods from those companies. This is the part of NAFTA that was a failure IMO and one that was not foreseen. Actually...If you do some research NAFTA was generally successful in its goals other than this. The GDP of all 3 nations increased after NAFTA...there was a modest increase in wages in all 3 nations after NAFTA and almost zero of the fears that many had about it materialized...except the one that PEROT predicted...That giant sucking sound.

I don't know if this is particularly damaging to Kasich or not. It was fast tracked by Bush and signed by more Republicans than Democrats. There is a lot of argument on its damage or success. I believe it was a failure...not because of the treaty..but..the lack of attention to its consequences by later administrations and leaders in Congress. NAFTA could have been actually a great deal if it had been tracked each year and the problems it created had been addressed.

I cannot agree enough more with the above....this is where the red fk'd it all up....

I'm going to take it a step further with robotics.....that shite has to stop too.....

at some point people need to understand the simple shite.....

So what is Trump going to do? Start a trade war or make more great deals for future congresses to screw up? Which is it? Has Trump said he is going to tear up NAFTA or just say it's a bad deal made by stupid people and he'll make better deals?

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The main power of the Presidency is the bully pulpit. He'll have to go directly to the people and put together a coalition of people to demand an alteration to the status quo on NAFTA and the TPP from their reps.

I suspect such a coalition would not be that hard to find. Start in the midwest and work your way out and call a few union shops on the way.

The reason people think there is no such coalition is because nobody since Ross Perot has had any desire whatsoever to find it.

Would Trump go that route? I have no idea.

I believe in his ability to find best method.....it's just that simple...

I believe many are scared that he represents big business interests....

at the end of the day, that's what all politicians have done by holding hands with lobbyists.....

however, as he gets older, he's realizing that some of his decisions in the past may not have been in the best interest for his along with the populous....he's learned that bringing it home is the better method....

am I right about that? as a voter, one can only hope to make a decision that is in the best interest for their back pocket.....every thing else is bs....

and I also believe that one has to fail to understand how to succeed.....that's what I am seeing in Trump's message......that's what I as a voter value....

as a sadomasochist, I understand failure and digging out of holes.....and I don't want a president that doesn't understand what it's like to not be in the trenches.....if there is anything Obummmers should have taught one is 'that'...

Whenever you have to mention a laundry list of **** that would make NAFTA better, it's a pretty good indicator that It's a **** policy in the 1st place.

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(03-12-2016 09:09 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:25 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  NAFTA created a climate in which US companies saw opportunity to move across the border and take advantage of the cheap labor without penalty. The second Congress saw this happening...it should have levied a stiff tax on goods from those companies. This is the part of NAFTA that was a failure IMO and one that was not foreseen. Actually...If you do some research NAFTA was generally successful in its goals other than this. The GDP of all 3 nations increased after NAFTA...there was a modest increase in wages in all 3 nations after NAFTA and almost zero of the fears that many had about it materialized...except the one that PEROT predicted...That giant sucking sound.

I don't know if this is particularly damaging to Kasich or not. It was fast tracked by Bush and signed by more Republicans than Democrats. There is a lot of argument on its damage or success. I believe it was a failure...not because of the treaty..but..the lack of attention to its consequences by later administrations and leaders in Congress. NAFTA could have been actually a great deal if it had been tracked each year and the problems it created had been addressed.

I cannot agree enough more with the above....this is where the red fk'd it all up....

I'm going to take it a step further with robotics.....that shite has to stop too.....

at some point people need to understand the simple shite.....

So what is Trump going to do? Start a trade war or make more great deals for future congresses to screw up? Which is it? Has Trump said he is going to tear up NAFTA or just say it's a bad deal made by stupid people and he'll make better deals?

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

The main power of the Presidency is the bully pulpit. He'll have to go directly to the people and put together a coalition of people to demand an alteration to the status quo on NAFTA and the TPP from their reps.

I suspect such a coalition would not be that hard to find. Start in the midwest and work your way out and call a few union shops on the way.

The reason people think there is no such coalition is because nobody since Ross Perot has had any desire whatsoever to find it.

Would Trump go that route? I have no idea.

I believe in his ability to find best method.....it's just that simple...

I believe many are scared that he represents big business interests....

at the end of the day, that's what all politicians have done by holding hands with lobbyists.....

however, as he gets older, he's realizing that some of his decisions in the past may not have been in the best interest for his along with the populous....he's learned that bringing it home is the better method....

am I right about that? as a voter, one can only hope to make a decision that is in the best interest for their back pocket.....every thing else is bs....

and I also believe that one has to fail to understand how to succeed.....that's what I am seeing in Trump's message......that's what I as a voter value....

as a sadomasochist, I understand failure and digging out of holes.....and I don't want a president that doesn't understand what it's like to not be in the trenches.....if there is anything Obummmers should have taught one is 'that'...

I'm not scared of his business interest. I am fine with that. I'm scared of what I think is his philosophy. Because it has never ended well in history.

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(03-12-2016 09:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 09:09 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:25 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 12:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 04:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I cannot agree enough more with the above....this is where the red fk'd it all up....

I'm going to take it a step further with robotics.....that shite has to stop too.....

at some point people need to understand the simple shite.....

So what is Trump going to do? Start a trade war or make more great deals for future congresses to screw up? Which is it? Has Trump said he is going to tear up NAFTA or just say it's a bad deal made by stupid people and he'll make better deals?

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

The main power of the Presidency is the bully pulpit. He'll have to go directly to the people and put together a coalition of people to demand an alteration to the status quo on NAFTA and the TPP from their reps.

I suspect such a coalition would not be that hard to find. Start in the midwest and work your way out and call a few union shops on the way.

The reason people think there is no such coalition is because nobody since Ross Perot has had any desire whatsoever to find it.

Would Trump go that route? I have no idea.

I believe in his ability to find best method.....it's just that simple...

I believe many are scared that he represents big business interests....

at the end of the day, that's what all politicians have done by holding hands with lobbyists.....

however, as he gets older, he's realizing that some of his decisions in the past may not have been in the best interest for his along with the populous....he's learned that bringing it home is the better method....

am I right about that? as a voter, one can only hope to make a decision that is in the best interest for their back pocket.....every thing else is bs....

and I also believe that one has to fail to understand how to succeed.....that's what I am seeing in Trump's message......that's what I as a voter value....

as a sadomasochist, I understand failure and digging out of holes.....and I don't want a president that doesn't understand what it's like to not be in the trenches.....if there is anything Obummmers should have taught one is 'that'...

I'm not scared of his business interest. I am fine with that. I'm scared of what I think is his philosophy. Because it has never ended well in history.

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I understand that and have tried to explain in various ways what I believe is going on in his head and how he's running his campaign.....

I am on record that my fingers are still crossed....

man, this thing has many more chapters as she plays out....

that's what's important to remember.....and to realize that the faction of idiots out there will always be idiots.....he wants to help change things so they are less idiotic....

I believe he's wanting to learn how to write his last chapter, is sincere in heart, and has to spank 'em when req'd......all I see is a dad now (albeit one that had advantages)....

ol' boy ain't stupid....