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RE: South Carolina's Confederate Flag...
(06-22-2015 01:06 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote: (06-22-2015 12:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote: (06-22-2015 11:57 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote: (06-22-2015 11:34 AM)Hitch Wrote: (06-22-2015 11:28 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote: Interesting read so far. To clear some things up:
• The Battle Flag is currently flown over the Confederate Monument. Only the State Legislature controls the flying if the flag.
• It is there due to a comprise between the State and the State Black Caucus when Gov Hodges was in office. The terms with that agreement finalized this issue forever according to those proceedings.
• No slave was purchase transported or brought into this country under the CSA , the Confederate Battle flag or any of its vessels. Only under: "Old Glory" her self. So that should be the flag that comes down if you spew that ideology.
• NCAA already has their position about not allowing SC to host any post season or Regional play in our state. Big deal !
Do you have any issue with the Flags of Spain, Portugal, the Dutch or the U.S. Flag? All are responsible for the slave trade that is linked to our nation.
According to Gov Nikki Haley, the Battle Flag that flies on the Confederate Memorial on the State House grounds has NEVER been a topic of conversation with ANY CEO of ANY Company that is or has relocated to the State of South Carolina. A few are: Volvo, BMW, Boeing, Michelin,.....
Lastly, I encourage you to educate yourselves on our countries true history. As far as hate for the Negro, just look to Abraham Lincoln. It's well documented just not spoken about.
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If anyone hasn't already, read the Cornerstone Speech by CSA Vice President Alexander Stephens. In it, he outlines the key differences between the CSA and USA constitutions and the central ideology of the CSA.
I'd also suggest you read the Constitution of the CSA. It outlines that slavery would end in the Confederate States of America. All on its own.
Slavery would end? Really? Their entire economy depended on it.
Who sold the slaves to the South. Answer that please. Tell me about the Black laws in the Northern States prior to TWBTS? Whose the racists here? The North!
Oh god, not someone who actually believes that this sort of nonsense really matters to the discussion at hand. That violent and opportunistic african and islamic forces were the ones who traveled into Africa in order originally obtain the slaves in no way negates the facts that the demand wasn't their own. Their hands are far from clean, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the idiocy of flying a traitorous flag over a state capitol in 2015.
The Civil War was fought over slavery, as nearly every reason to secede from the Union ultimately could be tracked back to the issue of Slavery. Don't believe me? How about I let the states who seceded speak for themselves.
Mississippi:
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
Texas:
Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?
South Carolina
The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.
Georgia
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.
As for your claim about the CSA constitution? Well, I'd like to see what you're referring to, because this speech given by V.P. of the Confederacy, A.H. Stephens, seems to directly contradict what you're claiming.
Quote:"The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution — African slavery as it exists amongst us — the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization" and further that "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea ["equality of the races"]; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."
You look silly trying to rewrite history.
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