(06-22-2015 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:54 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:43 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Nope the did some horrible things but there was never any written policy to kill off native Americans.

So.....that means it didn't happen?

Not in the name of the United states government or its flag.

The United States military did it......do they not operate in the name of the United States government?

Come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

No they did not.

What? President Andrew Jackson called for the Indian Removal Act which was then pased by Congress. If that doesn't represent the US govt I don't know what does.

(06-22-2015 11:57 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:34 AM)Hitch Wrote:  If anyone hasn't already, read the Cornerstone Speech by CSA Vice President Alexander Stephens. In it, he outlines the key differences between the CSA and USA constitutions and the central ideology of the CSA.

I'd also suggest you read the Constitution of the CSA. It outlines that slavery would end in the Confederate States of America. All on its own.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

To make your point more effectively, please indicate where we can find that passage.

It's really pretty simple.

It belongs on every monument and graveyard dedicated to the Confederacy. It also belongs on every public building in a place where the community wants it there.

It's just that simple.

If somebody doesn't like it and the community as a whole does, tough ****.

(06-22-2015 12:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's really pretty simple.

It belongs on every monument and graveyard dedicated to the Confederacy. It also belongs on every public building in a place where the community wants it there.

It's just that simple.

If somebody doesn't like it and the community as a whole does, tough ****.

Respectfully disagree.

I see this as the same line of thinking as pure democracy....which inevitably leads to the majorities stripping any minorities (not limited to race) of their rights by mob rule.

For example, I'm glad that there isn't a popular vote on the sale and use of alcohol in Mississippi because if there were, I bet we'd be a dry state.

(06-22-2015 12:30 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's really pretty simple.

It belongs on every monument and graveyard dedicated to the Confederacy. It also belongs on every public building in a place where the community wants it there.

It's just that simple.

If somebody doesn't like it and the community as a whole does, tough ****.

Respectfully disagree.

I see this as the same line of thinking as pure democracy....which inevitably leads to the majorities stripping any minorities (not limited to race) of their rights by mob rule.

For example, I'm glad that there isn't a popular vote on the sale and use of alcohol in Mississippi because if there were, I bet we'd be a dry state.

That's nice but utterly irrelevant.

Displaying a symbol, or selecting one, and stripping away rights are two separate things.

I take it you don't think a State should be allowed to select the appearance of its Great Seal, or its flag.

Nice try but way off

This is all WAAAAAAAY inside any state's power to choose for itself, or any community.

(06-22-2015 11:57 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I'd also suggest you read the Constitution of the CSA. It outlines that slavery would end in the Confederate States of America. All on its own.

And what, prey tell was the timeline for this to happen? If the end was near term, why fight to get slavery in new states? In fact, why leave America at all?

(06-22-2015 12:32 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:30 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's really pretty simple.

It belongs on every monument and graveyard dedicated to the Confederacy. It also belongs on every public building in a place where the community wants it there.

It's just that simple.

If somebody doesn't like it and the community as a whole does, tough ****.

Respectfully disagree.

I see this as the same line of thinking as pure democracy....which inevitably leads to the majorities stripping any minorities (not limited to race) of their rights by mob rule.

For example, I'm glad that there isn't a popular vote on the sale and use of alcohol in Mississippi because if there were, I bet we'd be a dry state.

I take it you don't think a State should be allowed to select the appearance of its Great Seal, or its flag.

I believe states should be allowed to do that, but it has nothing to do with a direct referendum, perceived community sentiment, or mob rule.

I believe states should be allowed to do that because individual states indeed have the right to do that. If a state's respective populace doesn't like it, then replace the politicians with the one's who will change it. That, or they should exercise their right to peacefully demonstrate against it.

(06-22-2015 12:34 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:57 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I'd also suggest you read the Constitution of the CSA. It outlines that slavery would end in the Confederate States of America. All on its own.

And what, prey tell was the timeline for this to happen? If the end was near term, why fight to get slavery in new states? In fact, why leave America at all?

Timeline was the at the time of the current living children of current slaves.

They left the USA because under the Constitution each Sovereign State had that right to do so. Then add the over taxation from an oppressive Federal Govt that had been brewing since John C Calhoun and the Tariffs of Abomination ! How would you like to be taxed at 80%. ??

(06-22-2015 12:57 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:34 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:57 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I'd also suggest you read the Constitution of the CSA. It outlines that slavery would end in the Confederate States of America. All on its own.

And what, prey tell was the timeline for this to happen? If the end was near term, why fight to get slavery in new states? In fact, why leave America at all?

Timeline was the at the time of the death of current living children of current slaves.

They left the USA because under the Constitution each Sovereign State had that right to do so. Then add the over taxation from an oppressive Federal Govt that had been brewing since John C Calhoun and the Tariffs of Abomination ! How would you like to be taxed at 80%. ??

(06-22-2015 11:57 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:54 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:43 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  So.....that means it didn't happen?

Not in the name of the United states government or its flag.

The United States military did it......do they not operate in the name of the United States government?

Come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

No they did not.

Oh, I guess we had a rogue military then.

I guess our government should only be remembered for the good fights we fought.

Stop with the revisionist history. You're committing the same fallacy as the Confederate sympathizers.

No I'm not. The United states military was at war with the Indians and many were killed. They did not have a genocide policy however. The CSA however clearly stated in written constitutions the preservation of slavery. That is a fact.

(06-22-2015 12:57 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:34 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:57 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I'd also suggest you read the Constitution of the CSA. It outlines that slavery would end in the Confederate States of America. All on its own.

And what, prey tell was the timeline for this to happen? If the end was near term, why fight to get slavery in new states? In fact, why leave America at all?

Timeline was the at the time of the current living children of current slaves.

They left the USA because under the Constitution each Sovereign State had that right to do so. Then add the over taxation from an oppressive Federal Govt that had been brewing since John C Calhoun and the Tariffs of Abomination ! How would you like to be taxed at 80%. ??

Please reference where this is indicated in the CSA Constitution.

(06-22-2015 12:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:57 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:34 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:28 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Interesting read so far. To clear some things up:

• The Battle Flag is currently flown over the Confederate Monument. Only the State Legislature controls the flying if the flag.

• It is there due to a comprise between the State and the State Black Caucus when Gov Hodges was in office. The terms with that agreement finalized this issue forever according to those proceedings.

• No slave was purchase transported or brought into this country under the CSA , the Confederate Battle flag or any of its vessels. Only under: "Old Glory" her self. So that should be the flag that comes down if you spew that ideology.

• NCAA already has their position about not allowing SC to host any post season or Regional play in our state. Big deal !

Do you have any issue with the Flags of Spain, Portugal, the Dutch or the U.S. Flag? All are responsible for the slave trade that is linked to our nation.

According to Gov Nikki Haley, the Battle Flag that flies on the Confederate Memorial on the State House grounds has NEVER been a topic of conversation with ANY CEO of ANY Company that is or has relocated to the State of South Carolina. A few are: Volvo, BMW, Boeing, Michelin,.....


Lastly, I encourage you to educate yourselves on our countries true history. As far as hate for the Negro, just look to Abraham Lincoln. It's well documented just not spoken about.

South Carolina Resident
Native of Virginia
Member of the SCV

If anyone hasn't already, read the Cornerstone Speech by CSA Vice President Alexander Stephens. In it, he outlines the key differences between the CSA and USA constitutions and the central ideology of the CSA.

I'd also suggest you read the Constitution of the CSA. It outlines that slavery would end in the Confederate States of America. All on its own.

Slavery would end? Really? Their entire economy depended on it.

Who sold the slaves to the South. Answer that please. Tell me about the Black laws in the Northern States prior to TWBTS? Whose the racists here? The North!

(06-22-2015 01:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:57 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:54 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not in the name of the United states government or its flag.

The United States military did it......do they not operate in the name of the United States government?

Come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

No they did not.

Oh, I guess we had a rogue military then.

I guess our government should only be remembered for the good fights we fought.

Stop with the revisionist history. You're committing the same fallacy as the Confederate sympathizers.

No I'm not. The United states military was at war with the Indians and many were killed. They did not have a genocide policy however.

THEY KILLED ALL OF THEM

(06-22-2015 12:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:57 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:34 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:28 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Interesting read so far. To clear some things up:

• The Battle Flag is currently flown over the Confederate Monument. Only the State Legislature controls the flying if the flag.

• It is there due to a comprise between the State and the State Black Caucus when Gov Hodges was in office. The terms with that agreement finalized this issue forever according to those proceedings.

• No slave was purchase transported or brought into this country under the CSA , the Confederate Battle flag or any of its vessels. Only under: "Old Glory" her self. So that should be the flag that comes down if you spew that ideology.

• NCAA already has their position about not allowing SC to host any post season or Regional play in our state. Big deal !

Do you have any issue with the Flags of Spain, Portugal, the Dutch or the U.S. Flag? All are responsible for the slave trade that is linked to our nation.

According to Gov Nikki Haley, the Battle Flag that flies on the Confederate Memorial on the State House grounds has NEVER been a topic of conversation with ANY CEO of ANY Company that is or has relocated to the State of South Carolina. A few are: Volvo, BMW, Boeing, Michelin,.....


Lastly, I encourage you to educate yourselves on our countries true history. As far as hate for the Negro, just look to Abraham Lincoln. It's well documented just not spoken about.

South Carolina Resident
Native of Virginia
Member of the SCV

If anyone hasn't already, read the Cornerstone Speech by CSA Vice President Alexander Stephens. In it, he outlines the key differences between the CSA and USA constitutions and the central ideology of the CSA.

I'd also suggest you read the Constitution of the CSA. It outlines that slavery would end in the Confederate States of America. All on its own.

Slavery would end? Really? Their entire economy depended on it.

The entire Fed Govt Balance Sheet depended upon it. !!

That's why Lincoln had to go to war. It was about money!

(06-22-2015 01:19 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:57 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I'd also suggest you read the Constitution of the CSA. It outlines that slavery would end in the Confederate States of America. All on its own.

Slavery would end? Really? Their entire economy depended on it.

The entire Fed Govt Balance Sheet depended upon it. !!

Where in the CSA Constitution does it outline that slavery will end?

The North depended on slave production in the South for a long time.

(06-22-2015 11:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:43 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:38 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Wrong. The United states did not commit genocide.

Wrong. The United States did commit genocide.

Nope the did some horrible things but there was never any written policy to kill off native Americans.

So.....that means it didn't happen?

Not in the name of the United states government or its flag.

So which flag was flying during the "Trail of Tears"? Or at Wounded Knee? Or during the Seminole Wars? Or the Sand Creek Massacre? Or the Washita Massacre? Or the Bear River Massacre?

Do I need to go on because there's plenty more.

(06-22-2015 01:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:57 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:54 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not in the name of the United states government or its flag.

The United States military did it......do they not operate in the name of the United States government?

Come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

No they did not.

Oh, I guess we had a rogue military then.

I guess our government should only be remembered for the good fights we fought.

Stop with the revisionist history. You're committing the same fallacy as the Confederate sympathizers.

No I'm not. The United states military was at war with the Indians and many were killed. They did not have a genocide policy however. The CSA however clearly stated in written constitutions the preservation of slavery. That is a fact.

Now you sound like the Turks.

"We didn't commit genocide, we just killed an entire civilization. We didn't write it down."