(06-22-2015 12:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Protesting isn't against the law. I agree it wasn't about race. It was about perceived injustice. There was no perceived injustice in Charleston because the killer was caught and jailed immediately.

Looting and burning stuff is against the law, but that didn't seem to matter to the protesters. IMO, Charleston and Baltimore are just different cities and acted as such.

The protesters weren't looting and rioting.

(06-22-2015 07:16 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 08:38 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 06:21 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  As tragic as this was, it's a completely different beast than the incidents which caused the Baltimore and Ferguson riots. I think even you understand that.

Yes, it is different. In Charleston, we knew what happened immediately and Christians took the lead in handling the situation. In Ferguson and Baltimore, we didn't know what happened right away, which allowed the secularist demagogues an opening to promote their hate.

+1

Christ you both are dense.

(06-21-2015 06:21 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  As tragic as this was, it's a completely different beast than the incidents which caused the Baltimore and Ferguson riots. I think even you understand that.

Yep Baltimore and Ferguson were criminals who resisted police officers and died as a result of their ILLEGAL activities. Charleston was a group of people in church guilty of nothing more than their skin color in the eyes of the THUG that killed them.

The great thing in Charleston is that the victims families had forgiveness in their heart and welcomed all that came to offer comfort.

Obama could have handled his words to the nation in two ways, he chose the low road. Obama decided to talk of hate and a history of bigotry instead of talking of uniting to support the community who lost so much. He could have talked about the good in America and one individual doesn't represent the millions who don't feel that way.

I expect a president to offer healing words that unite the nation like compassion, forgiveness, family, neighbors. Instead Obama uses a nation with a history of hate, bigotry of this magnitude can't be overcome in 200 years.

As long as these words are used just one act can be used to destroy all the progress being made in many communities.

(06-22-2015 07:51 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 06:21 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  As tragic as this was, it's a completely different beast than the incidents which caused the Baltimore and Ferguson riots. I think even you understand that.

Yep Baltimore and Ferguson were criminals who resisted police officers and died as a result of their ILLEGAL activities. Charleston was a group of people in church guilty of nothing more than their skin color in the eyes of the THUG that killed them.

The great thing in Charleston is that the victims families had forgiveness in their heart and welcomed all that came to offer comfort.

Try again.

(06-22-2015 12:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  These events are completely different. you clearly don't understand why people protested.

Which people? The paid protesters, or the ones incited by the paid protestors.

(06-22-2015 12:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Protesting isn't against the law. I agree it wasn't about race. It was about perceived injustice. There was no perceived injustice in Charleston because the killer was caught and jailed immediately.

Looting and burning stuff is against the law, but that didn't seem to matter to the protesters. IMO, Charleston and Baltimore are just different cities and acted as such.

The looting and protesting in Baltimore were not synonymous with each other. Looting occurred one day in Baltimore by a group of high school kids. You make it seems as if folks who protested also looted which was not the case.

It's easier to dismiss the protesters if you can characterize them all as ignorant criminals only interested in grabbing themselves some nice loot.

(06-22-2015 08:07 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  These events are completely different. you clearly don't understand why people protested.

Which people? The paid protesters, or the ones incited by the paid protestors.

Paid or not, the protesters weren't rioting and looter. Those were the rioters and looters.

(06-22-2015 10:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 08:07 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  These events are completely different. you clearly don't understand why people protested.

Which people? The paid protesters, or the ones incited by the paid protestors.

Paid or not, the protesters weren't rioting and looter. Those were the rioters and looters.

I'll never forget the 1992 Rodney King riots in LA. There was looting everywhere. One TV reporter asked a looter, "You must be really upset about Rodney King?". The looter said, "Rodney who?".

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

(06-22-2015 07:51 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 06:21 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  As tragic as this was, it's a completely different beast than the incidents which caused the Baltimore and Ferguson riots. I think even you understand that.

Yep Baltimore and Ferguson were criminals who resisted police officers and died as a result of their ILLEGAL activities. Charleston was a group of people in church guilty of nothing more than their skin color in the eyes of the THUG that killed them.

The great thing in Charleston is that the victims families had forgiveness in their heart and welcomed all that came to offer comfort.

Mean there wasn't a victims "parent" screaming "burn this ***** down"?

Of course not, it's Charleston. These ghetto cities in missouri and maryland could learn a thing or two.

or three.

(06-23-2015 01:28 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 07:51 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 06:21 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  As tragic as this was, it's a completely different beast than the incidents which caused the Baltimore and Ferguson riots. I think even you understand that.

Yep Baltimore and Ferguson were criminals who resisted police officers and died as a result of their ILLEGAL activities. Charleston was a group of people in church guilty of nothing more than their skin color in the eyes of the THUG that killed them.

The great thing in Charleston is that the victims families had forgiveness in their heart and welcomed all that came to offer comfort.

Mean there wasn't a victims "parent" screaming "burn this ***** down"?

Of course not, it's Charleston. These ghetto cities in missouri and maryland could learn a thing or two.

or three.

Try again.

(06-22-2015 09:57 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Protesting isn't against the law. I agree it wasn't about race. It was about perceived injustice. There was no perceived injustice in Charleston because the killer was caught and jailed immediately.

Looting and burning stuff is against the law, but that didn't seem to matter to the protesters. IMO, Charleston and Baltimore are just different cities and acted as such.

The looting and protesting in Baltimore were not synonymous with each other. Looting occurred one day in Baltimore by a group of high school kids. You make it seems as if folks who protested also looted which was not the case.

You do know there is currently a drug war going on there, right?

As all those narcotics looted from the CVS and wherever else hit the streets and the drug gangs, similar to chitcago currently, and deecee when I was a kid growing up there/near there, fight another turf war, right?

Sorry if the "nuances" are a tad lost on me. But a kids murder and a mom burying his dead body over a dime bag, or a hit of oxy is a bit much for me, 28 yo "High school kids" or not.

You apologists will apologize for anything. So long as the D is attached.

Hopefully you caught my nuance.

God, it's sad you think that's a legitimate response to what he's saying.

(06-23-2015 01:43 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  God, it's sad you think that's a legitimate response to what he's saying.

Sorry you're sad.

But. I'll agree, you are.

Looting by the HS "kids'.

What stores/private property/protected, allowed areas did they loot?

So the CVS etc. lol, wasn't part of that?

Perhaps you're defending the paid protesters? How, and why, are they there?

How and why are the drug dealers there? (And killing each other and innocent kids in the process) In another left wing government run plantation ghetto?

Pssst! Hint.-
same reason.

There's monies to be made. Tens of thousands perhaps. And while they all get enriched, has the plight of the inner city black gotten better or worse?

Spend some time there, working with these folks, and give us your high school term report back when completed, K? Thx.

Again, you just take a word out of the response, go off on all sorts of nonsensical and vague claims relating to that word, and try to ignore the actual issue being raised. You're not even willing to admit that there were legitimate people there protesting, you're characterizing them either as looters/criminals or paid protestors. Why? The federal report showed that there were systemic and wide ranging problems within the Ferguson police force for instance, why can't you accept that a large portion of those there were protesting over those inequities?

Because it's easier to ignore any nuance, and dismiss them entirely. Doesn't matter if it's lazy or incorrect, it's just plain easier.

(06-23-2015 02:17 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Again, you just take a word out of the response, go off on all sorts of nonsensical and vague claims relating to that word, and try to ignore the actual issue being raised. You're not even willing to admit that there were legitimate people there protesting, you're characterizing them either as looters/criminals or paid protestors. Why? The federal report showed that there were systemic and wide ranging problems within the Ferguson police force for instance, why can't you accept that a large portion of those there were protesting over those inequities?

Because it's easier to ignore any nuance, and dismiss them entirely. Doesn't matter if it's lazy or incorrect, it's just plain easier.

And we're talking about Baltimore.

lol. thanks for giving me a chuckle.

Do you see the "systemic problems" with the entire baltimoron administration?

And I've said I have seen wide ranging problems there. As they were in evidence in places that I'ved lived/worked/ or spent considerable time in.

With your clearly vast knowledge, where have you put some time into these communities and how does your experience change what I'm saying? Is there an actual excuse for what you are excusing?

Good grief, I'd like to see that "nuance".

looting, rioting, drug dealing and selling, and murder.

These are "inequities"... God we're doomed.

It getting Hard to have sympathy for folks that for years protect the ones that Prey on Them , won't report Criminal activities committed by those gangs , thugs or whatever. They create and escalate the environment They choose to remain in. They also have No problem complaining about the police when They move in to make arrests while trying to make thing better in those Hoods. I guess the core of the problem is many committing the criminal acts are also Family members doing the crimes. If They raised Their kids better, there might not have been all of these problems to start with.

The people who looted, burned, assaulted the police, etc. are animals. If that offends some people here, I'm glad.