(06-22-2015 10:58 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 10:57 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It's incredible that they looked into the eyes of evil and forgave. Amazing amazing stuff.

This I agree with.

I make no bones about admitting that I'm not a big enough man to have done that. I'd want him fed into a wood chipper alive. Feet first so it lasts longer.

Yep. They're certainly stronger, better people than I am.

(06-22-2015 10:57 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It's incredible that they looked into the eyes of evil and forgave. Amazing amazing stuff.

Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning."-Psalm 30:5

One of the main things that we are taught in the AME Church is forgiveness. From a young child at St.James AME Church in Birmingham, Alabama one of the first things I learned was Deuteronomy 32:35 and Romans 12:19. God teaches us in Romans that avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay. Its a difficult thing to do but it is something that we must do.

(06-22-2015 11:11 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 10:57 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It's incredible that they looked into the eyes of evil and forgave. Amazing amazing stuff.

Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning."-Psalm 30:5

One of the main things that we are taught in the AME Church is forgiveness. From a young child at St.James AME Church in Birmingham, Alabama one of the first things I learned was Deuteronomy 32:35 and Romans 12:19. God teaches us in Romans that avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay. Its a difficult thing to do but it is something that we must do.

Awesome stuff.

Forgiving enemies is one of Christ's most difficult teachings and probably one that needs to be addressed more in most churches.

Matthew 6:14-15
Ephesians 4:31-32

(06-21-2015 06:07 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  They handled it with grace, dignity, and forgiveness.

It's amazing what Americans can do without paid mobs looting and burning.

No political spin here. LMFAO

(06-22-2015 10:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The meme this thread is trying hard to push has to be one of the biggest non sequitur's ever on here.

Other than a white person did something to a black person(s), there really isn't one other similarity. And in Baltimore, weren't several of the officers black anyway?

The similarities end because in Ferguson and Baltimore, it involved parties with power and authority...parties charged with protecting and serving.

Not to mention, both Ferguson and Baltimore weren't neatly tied up with a pretty bow in basically one day. It was known almost immediately exactly what happened, who was at fault, why it happened, and then the perpetrator was soon arrested and reportedly confessed.

There was no actual or perceived delayed justice anywhere. Heck, Brown nearly laid in the street longer than it took to catch this guy.

But yes, the people of Charleston have been exemplary in handling this tragedy. Attempts to push something else here are extremely misguided.

I disagree. I'd say the mass killing in Charleston was a horrible injustice to the black community, much worse than in Ferguson or Baltimore.

The difference is that the killer was immediately caught and put behind bars.

(06-22-2015 11:19 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 10:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The meme this thread is trying hard to push has to be one of the biggest non sequitur's ever on here.

Other than a white person did something to a black person(s), there really isn't one other similarity. And in Baltimore, weren't several of the officers black anyway?

The similarities end because in Ferguson and Baltimore, it involved parties with power and authority...parties charged with protecting and serving.

Not to mention, both Ferguson and Baltimore weren't neatly tied up with a pretty bow in basically one day. It was known almost immediately exactly what happened, who was at fault, why it happened, and then the perpetrator was soon arrested and reportedly confessed.

There was no actual or perceived delayed justice anywhere. Heck, Brown nearly laid in the street longer than it took to catch this guy.

But yes, the people of Charleston have been exemplary in handling this tragedy. Attempts to push something else here are extremely misguided.

I'd say the mass killing in Charleston was a horrible injustice to the black community, much worse than in Ferguson or Baltimore.

And you'd be correct and I totally agree.

But do you realize what you just said? You proved my point. This was a worse injustice and tragedy and there was no rioting or violence. Why you may ask? Because the circumstances surrounding the injustice was completely unrelated to Ferguson and Baltimore. Just as I said.

The issues in Ferguson and Baltimore were because of perceived or actual issues with the investigation, etc. And no, it wasn't because a charity that Soros donated money to paid the travel expenses of some people who traveled to protest.

(06-22-2015 11:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:19 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 10:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The meme this thread is trying hard to push has to be one of the biggest non sequitur's ever on here.

Other than a white person did something to a black person(s), there really isn't one other similarity. And in Baltimore, weren't several of the officers black anyway?

The similarities end because in Ferguson and Baltimore, it involved parties with power and authority...parties charged with protecting and serving.

Not to mention, both Ferguson and Baltimore weren't neatly tied up with a pretty bow in basically one day. It was known almost immediately exactly what happened, who was at fault, why it happened, and then the perpetrator was soon arrested and reportedly confessed.

There was no actual or perceived delayed justice anywhere. Heck, Brown nearly laid in the street longer than it took to catch this guy.

But yes, the people of Charleston have been exemplary in handling this tragedy. Attempts to push something else here are extremely misguided.

I'd say the mass killing in Charleston was a horrible injustice to the black community, much worse than in Ferguson or Baltimore.

And you'd be correct and I totally agree.

But do you realize what you just said? You proved my point. This was a worse injustice and tragedy and there was no rioting or violence. Why you may ask? Because the circumstances surrounding the injustice was completely unrelated to Ferguson and Baltimore. Just as I said.

Exactly

(06-22-2015 11:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:19 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 10:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The meme this thread is trying hard to push has to be one of the biggest non sequitur's ever on here.

Other than a white person did something to a black person(s), there really isn't one other similarity. And in Baltimore, weren't several of the officers black anyway?

The similarities end because in Ferguson and Baltimore, it involved parties with power and authority...parties charged with protecting and serving.

Not to mention, both Ferguson and Baltimore weren't neatly tied up with a pretty bow in basically one day. It was known almost immediately exactly what happened, who was at fault, why it happened, and then the perpetrator was soon arrested and reportedly confessed.

There was no actual or perceived delayed justice anywhere. Heck, Brown nearly laid in the street longer than it took to catch this guy.

But yes, the people of Charleston have been exemplary in handling this tragedy. Attempts to push something else here are extremely misguided.

I'd say the mass killing in Charleston was a horrible injustice to the black community, much worse than in Ferguson or Baltimore.

And you'd be correct and I totally agree.

But do you realize what you just said? You proved my point. This was a worse injustice and tragedy and there was no rioting or violence. Why you may ask? Because the circumstances surrounding the injustice was completely unrelated to Ferguson and Baltimore. Just as I said.

Exactly

WTF does that mean?

These events are completely different. you clearly don't understand why people protested.

My point is simply that the people in Charleston showed amazing class ... something I probably could not have done. They're better people than me. Whereas I know I'm a better person than the animals that rioted in Ferguson and Baltimore.

(06-22-2015 12:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  These events are completely different. you clearly don't understand why people protested.

This one was clearly motivated by race. The others were not. That's the difference I see, but it's not clear why that justifies lawless "protests" in the other cases but not this one. Seems just the opposite.

(06-22-2015 12:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  My point is simply that the people in Charleston showed amazing class ... something I probably could not have done. They're better people than me. Whereas I know I'm a better person than the animals that rioted in Ferguson and Baltimore.

Just can't help yourself can you? But at least you're better! Sad.

Protesting isn't against the law. I agree it wasn't about race. It was about perceived injustice. There was no perceived injustice in Charleston because the killer was caught and jailed immediately.

(06-22-2015 12:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Protesting isn't against the law. I agree it wasn't about race. It was about perceived injustice. There was no perceived injustice in Charleston because the killer was caught and jailed immediately.

Looting and burning stuff is against the law, but that didn't seem to matter to the protesters. IMO, Charleston and Baltimore are just different cities and acted as such.

(06-22-2015 12:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  My point is simply that the people in Charleston showed amazing class ... something I probably could not have done. They're better people than me. Whereas I know I'm a better person than the animals that rioted in Ferguson and Baltimore.

Just can't help yourself can you? But at least you're better! Sad.

So looting, burning, and throwing rocks at cops is just "first amendment free speech"?

I disagree.

The difference is pretty easy to see.

One situation is the perception of a biased judicial and law enforcement system. One one side you have a large segment of the population telling black people it's their fault and on the other, you have people making excuses for bad behavior (and in some cases legitimate bad decisions by law enforcement).

The other situation is unquestionably a tragedy. There is no grey area, which is why we see the unity we see. A guy literally walked into a church and killed 9 people, then admitted he did it because they were black.

It is also part of the day to day interaction and yes, integration of the Black and White people and "communities" in Charleston, anyway. I can't speak for ALL or even most of South Carolina, but I was a co-owner/investor in a Bar/nightclub/restaurant right there in the very heart of Charleston, on Market Street. It is a constant flow of everyone. Fully integrated, in clientele, co-workers, fellow students and social friends, roommates whatever walk of life. It just is, and it's more or less universally accepted, even celebrated, as it should be.

The strife we saw recently and going a ways back are ALL in primarily fully segregated hellholes. Whether it's Watts of 1965 or the one in Missouri, the other in Maryland, not so at all in Charleston, anyway. They live together, eat together, picnic together, play together, pray together.

Not entirely, of course, there are troubled areas there too, but when you see the "leaders" come forward about this tragedy, it's a collection of ALL segments of the population working together.

Kudo's to them, the true leaders leading, not the hustlers and race profiteers.

(06-22-2015 04:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  It is also part of the day to day interaction and yes, integration of the Black and White people and "communities" in Charleston, anyway. I can't speak for ALL or even most of South Carolina, but I was a co-owner/investor in a Bar/nightclub/restaurant right there in the very heart of Charleston, on Market Street. It is a constant flow of everyone. Fully integrated, in clientele, co-workers, fellow students and social friends, roommates whatever walk of life. It just is, and it's more or less universally accepted, even celebrated, as it should be.

The strife we saw recently and going a ways back are ALL in primarily fully segregated hellholes. Whether it's Watts of 1965 or the one in Missouri, the other in Maryland, not so at all in Charleston, anyway. They live together, eat together, picnic together, play together, pray together.

Not entirely, of course, there are troubled areas there too, but when you see the "leaders" come forward about this tragedy, it's a collection of ALL segments of the population working together.

Kudo's to them, the true leaders leading, not the hustlers and race profiteers.

I think it is extremely accurate as well.

Good post.

(06-22-2015 03:45 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 12:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  My point is simply that the people in Charleston showed amazing class ... something I probably could not have done. They're better people than me. Whereas I know I'm a better person than the animals that rioted in Ferguson and Baltimore.

Just can't help yourself can you? But at least you're better! Sad.

So looting, burning, and throwing rocks at cops is just "first amendment free speech"?

I disagree.

Yes...and so do I and everyone else on this forum. Your point?