(05-11-2015 09:22 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 08:59 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I actually prefer Barack to his wife. I'd actually hang out with Barack, I'd drink a beer with the guy. I wouldn't want to be within 100 feet of the First Lady.

Hey Owl #'s...I suppose you're going to also pretend that Laura Bush and previous first lady's were treated worse than Michelle Obama has been?

These cretin here acts like she has leprosy or something. He's probably afraid she'd make him look stupid, short, fat and ugly.

Pathetic ******** you all are. Wow.

You mad bro?

He's not wrong, the amount of vitriol aimed towards her here is really quite shocking and pretty telling to someone who really has no strong feelings either way.

(05-11-2015 09:25 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:22 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 08:59 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I actually prefer Barack to his wife. I'd actually hang out with Barack, I'd drink a beer with the guy. I wouldn't want to be within 100 feet of the First Lady.

Hey Owl #'s...I suppose you're going to also pretend that Laura Bush and previous first lady's were treated worse than Michelle Obama has been?

These cretin here acts like she has leprosy or something. He's probably afraid she'd make him look stupid, short, fat and ugly.

Pathetic ******** you all are. Wow.

You mad bro?

He's not wrong, the amount of vitriol aimed towards her here is really quite shocking and pretty telling to someone who really has no strong feelings either way.

She seems like an unpleasant lady. I wouldn't want to hang out with her. I also wouldn't want to hang out with most politicians or their families.

I don't get all the invective against Michelle Obama, either, but she possesses a remarkably tin ear when it comes to issues the average American faces.

(05-11-2015 09:29 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I don't get all the invective against Michelle Obama, either, but she possesses a remarkably tin ear when it comes to issues the average American faces.

That's about what I expect, I just don't even have as strong of feelings towards people who owe me money as some people here have against her. It's just, weird.

(05-11-2015 09:29 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I don't get all the invective against Michelle Obama, either, but she possesses a remarkably tin ear when it comes to issues the average American faces.

agreed. I will add that other first ladies got a trial run as being first ladies in their states where there husbands were governors. She was the wife of some freshman senator before being thrown in the fire.

(05-10-2015 05:05 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Thug.

Brilliant.

Thanks again for proving my point.

(05-11-2015 08:42 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Owl, you're better than this. You're inferring her beliefs because she's left of you, and are clearly filling in any gaps you have, which are very larger, with whatever you seem fit. Show me her advocating against the private ownership of property and means of production, or you should admit you spoke in hyperbole when you called her communist. You're not ERC or UConn, you usually keep hyperbole out of it.

She has made public (and leaked private) statements consistent with social democrat, socialist, or communist positions, where the three agree. That means that she could be any one of the three.

She has not to my knowledge made any statements that would indicate a choice in favor of social democrat over the other two, on issues where they disagree. If you are aware of such statements, please cite them.

On the issue of private property, I'm not aware of any statements one way or the other, except that she has clearly advocated more restrictions ob private ownership. That could be consistent with any of the three, if one simply realizes that any sensible person would realize that the path from where we are today to socialism or communism cannot be traversed in one fell swoop, but would have to be bit by bit.

She's clearly one of the three--social democrat, socialist, or communist. You believe she stops at social democrat and goes no further left. I do not see any indication of that. I'm asking you for any indication that she goes no further than social democrat.

I would actually prefer social democrat over where I believe both she and her husband lean.

(05-11-2015 09:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-10-2015 05:05 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Thug.

Brilliant.

Thanks again for proving my point.

What point? That Paul is an idiotic troll not worth the minute amounts of electricity used up in storing the nonsense he decides to post?

(05-11-2015 09:22 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 08:59 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I actually prefer Barack to his wife. I'd actually hang out with Barack, I'd drink a beer with the guy. I wouldn't want to be within 100 feet of the First Lady.

Hey Owl #'s...I suppose you're going to also pretend that Laura Bush and previous first lady's were treated worse than Michelle Obama has been?

These cretin here acts like she has leprosy or something. He's probably afraid she'd make him look stupid, short, fat and ugly.

Pathetic ******** you all are. Wow.

You mad bro?

Nope...I'm not the one coming off as a

(05-11-2015 09:01 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I'd rather have a beer with W than Obama, but I'd rather go to a strip club with Bill Clinton over a beer with any of them.

me too.

(05-11-2015 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:22 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 08:59 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I actually prefer Barack to his wife. I'd actually hang out with Barack, I'd drink a beer with the guy. I wouldn't want to be within 100 feet of the First Lady.

Hey Owl #'s...I suppose you're going to also pretend that Laura Bush and previous first lady's were treated worse than Michelle Obama has been?

These cretin here acts like she has leprosy or something. He's probably afraid she'd make him look stupid, short, fat and ugly.

Pathetic ******** you all are. Wow.

You mad bro?

I'm not the one coming off as a

You should give yourself more credit than that.

How can someone hate someone that they have never met? I find that very odd.

Oh God... poor Moochelle. She's had it so tough! I wish that woman would just shut up and go away.

(05-11-2015 10:24 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Oh God... poor Moochelle. She's had it so tough! I wish that woman would just shut up and go away.

Any first lady must have a lot of stress. I mean at least a few of them have had their husbands murdered.

How can you not find sympathy for all of them?

(05-11-2015 10:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  How can someone hate someone that they have never met? I find that very odd.

People literally do this all the time. All. The. Time.

And I don't "hate" her. I just don't want to hang out with her. Why does that make people so remarkably ass-chapped?

Barack and I can go to the bar together, but she isn't invited. I imagine that he would secretly thank me for my request.

(05-11-2015 10:11 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:01 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I'd rather have a beer with W than Obama, but I'd rather go to a strip club with Bill Clinton over a beer with any of them.

me too.

Hell Yes, He would even pick up the Tab with the Clinton Foundation as Research in study of Pink mountains and Valleys !

(05-11-2015 10:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Barack and I can go to the bar together, but she isn't invited. I imagine that he would secretly thank me for my request.

I wouldn't go to the bar with Barack. I don't think it's good form to tell the President of the United States to go f-k himself, and I really can't think of anything else that I would want to say.

And I prefer him to her.

To all the "Owl, you're better than that," comments, don't patronize me.

Now I would go drinking with Bill Clinton in a heartbeat. And I'd be fine if he brought Hillary along. Although Bill might not be.

There are at least two differences between the Clintons and the Obamas in my mind. Number one, while I disagree with the Clintons on certain policy issues, there are a great many (the majority) where I agree. I have a good friend who leans very far left who calls me a "Bill Clinton republican" and I think that's pretty accurate. There are few, if any, policy issues where I agree with Barack Obama, and none that I'm aware of where I agree with Michelle. Number two, I think the Clintons are a lot more honest than the Obamas.

(05-11-2015 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:22 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 08:59 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I actually prefer Barack to his wife. I'd actually hang out with Barack, I'd drink a beer with the guy. I wouldn't want to be within 100 feet of the First Lady.

Hey Owl #'s...I suppose you're going to also pretend that Laura Bush and previous first lady's were treated worse than Michelle Obama has been?
These cretin here acts like she has leprosy or something. He's probably afraid she'd make him look stupid, short, fat and ugly.
Pathetic ******** you all are. Wow.

You mad bro?

Nope...I'm not the one coming off as a

At least in your eyes, you're not.

(05-11-2015 08:59 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Hey Owl #'s...I suppose you're going to also pretend that Laura Bush and previous first lady's were treated worse than Michelle Obama has been?
These cretin here acts like she has leprosy or something. He's probably afraid she'd make him look stupid, short, fat and ugly.
Pathetic ******** you all are. Wow.

I agree that some of the Michelle treatment, particularly some of the unflattering photos made into memes, has crossed the line. But I'd say at least 95% of any bad treatment she has gotten has been deserved.

Two points. One, when the treatment GWB got is compared to the way the fawning, slobbering media have treated Obama since day one, comparing the treatment Michelle got to what Laura Bush got is about as irrelevant as asking Mrs. Lincoln how she enjoyed the play. I think in part the treatment Laura got was attributable to some guilt feelings among the media for the way they were treating her husband; the flip side might be true with Michelle. And two, Laura Bush was at least a pleasant person to be around, who happened to have made a very bad mistake early in life, at a time when the vast majority of us were probably saved from something as bad by the grace of God. We were all young and stupid once, and like most of us she seems to have grown beyond that. Michelle comes off as an extremely unpleasant person to be around. Maybe if I were actually around her, I might reach a different conclusion. But I doubt it.

Mooch Warns Black Students To Brace For “Age-Old” And “Structural” Racism Once They Graduate: “Road Ahead Is Not Easy, Especially For Folks Like You And Me”…



Apparently Michelle hired the folks at #BlackLivesMatter to write her speeches.

Quote: But Obama returned to issues of racism in America with a warning to Tuskegee’s graduates that “the road ahead is not going to be easy”. “It never is,” she said, “especially for folks like you and me. Because while we’ve come so far, the truth is that those age-old problems are stubborn and they haven’t fully gone away. So there will be times … when you feel like folks look right past you, or they see just a fraction of who you really are.”

People would not see them as the hard-working graduates they appeared on the day of their graduation who had struggled to achieve their education, pay for it, and give back to their communities, she said. “They don’t know that part of you.

Instead they will make assumptions about who they think you are based on their limited notion of the world.”

Frustration, Obama said, “can feel isolating. It can make you feel like your life somehow doesn’t matter. And as we’ve seen over the past few years, those feelings are real.”

“They’re rooted in decades of structural challenges that have made too many folks feel frustrated and invisible, and those feelings are playing out in communities like Baltimore and Ferguson and so many others across this country.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/...erceptions