(03-03-2015 03:14 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Lumberpack one thing, your board moderator at pack sports is slow at approving new posters. Just a little complaint(Not that you care) :)

I don't run anything at Packpride. Usually it takes about 3-4 days before a newbie is allowed to post there. It could be worse you could be trying to get onto Inside Carolina.

Inside Carolina and Pack Pride are pretty famous for banning outsider posters for very little reasons.

(03-03-2015 07:26 PM)nole Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 05:07 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   ACC is a better place for all of us from the Big East!

The ACC IS the Big East.


Making many of the same mistakes.....still dealing with basketball schools stuck in a football world.

Except all of the basketball schools in the ACC also play football. Half of the schools in the Big East, didn't even have football programs. Outside of the ND deal, the ACC of today and the old Big East isn't a a fair comparison.

(03-03-2015 04:39 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 04:28 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 04:19 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 04:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 03:48 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Like I said when the deal was struck I was shocked the ACC did it and it made them ripe for instability. Then the GoR were signed and we're all in this together in one big happy family(J/K). I see the benefits to both sides I just was surprised the ACC went against their Against previous statements against partials.

I was happy/disappointed because I have allows liked and followed the ACC during basketball season so on some level I liked ND being in their but also feared that instability could come. But it seems to be okay for now for both sides so I hope my fears were unfounded.

Survival. Necessity. Need.

That is why the ACC did the partial ND deal. It had to, because it feared that the conference would have come apart without the ND deal.

Otherwise, the ACC would have said "No", just like it did before 2012.

Your are assigning WAY TOO much credit to ND for the conference's stability.

Way too much. The GoR had already been signed when ND signed on.

actually, the timeline went like this:
ND joins as 5/8 FB, full in everything else
MD announces they are joining B1G
WVU inbreds go crazy
ACC signs GOR

Correct, like I said....

(03-03-2015 04:19 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 04:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 03:48 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 03:31 PM)green Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 03:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  We already headed down that path with Notre Dame.

The primrose path refers to a course of action that seems easy and appropriate but can actually end in calamity.
-- wiki

special rules for special people breeds lasting resentment ...

THE PRIMROSE PATH

Like I said when the deal was struck I was shocked the ACC did it and it made them ripe for instability. Then the GoR were signed and we're all in this together in one big happy family(J/K). I see the benefits to both sides I just was surprised the ACC went against their Against previous statements against partials.

I was happy/disappointed because I have allows liked and followed the ACC during basketball season so on some level I liked ND being in their but also feared that instability could come. But it seems to be okay for now for both sides so I hope my fears were unfounded.

Survival. Necessity. Need.

That is why the ACC did the partial ND deal. It had to, because it feared that the conference would have come apart without the ND deal.

Otherwise, the ACC would have said "No", just like it did before 2012.

Your are assigning WAY TOO much credit to ND for the conference's stability.

(03-03-2015 05:03 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 03:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 02:56 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 02:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 02:00 PM)green Wrote:  

The Big East didn't fail because it was a hybrid. The Big East failed because it had no big time, "anchor schools" (Michigan, Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, FSU, etc..) in its conference.

It was doomed from the beginning because of that. Things worked out for the Big East like it was always destined to happen.

Not any/enough "anchor schools"= not enough cash=dissolution.

ND could have been that "anchor" for the BE.

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Why? To its great detriment?

The Big East as it was simply wasn't going to survive realignment. We can argue about basketball/football preference, Notre Dame's position, etc all we want, but at the end of the day, the pecking order was firmly settled when the ACC took Miami. After that, any set of moves that set too many dominoes falling was going to take the top part of the Big East football schools.

This isn't to say there aren't things Big East/members schools could have done to help the situation, but nothing was going to stop any of the other major conferences taking from the Big East if they desired it.

(03-03-2015 08:42 PM)Hitman Hart Wrote:  Inside Carolina and Pack Pride are pretty famous for banning outsider posters for very little reasons.

Bandwidth is an issue, so are morons. IC checks your last 10-20 posts and if they are posted at Packpride or you have red, pack, wolf, or engineer in your name you are not getting on at IC.

For PP, we take more UNC folks for a few days but most come on as trolls and then get banned. If Blue, Ram, chapel hill, is in your name, you are not getting in.

WF, Duke, GT, CU, and FSU fans tend to be welcomed at Packpride. IC is run with more of an iron hand though.

(03-04-2015 12:32 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  The Big East as it was simply wasn't going to survive realignment. We can argue about basketball/football preference, Notre Dame's position, etc all we want, but at the end of the day, the pecking order was firmly settled when the ACC took Miami. After that, any set of moves that set too many dominoes falling was going to take the top part of the Big East football schools.

This isn't to say there aren't things Big East/members schools could have done to help the situation, but nothing was going to stop any of the other major conferences taking from the Big East if they desired it.

You needed Penn State to survive.

VT always wanted to come back home to the ACC. Miami always wanted to be with FSU. You also needed to split so that bb schools were not a part of the league.

BC, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, West Va, Penn State - if these six could have come together you would been able to overcome VT's desire to come home and Miami would have stayed with PSU.

That would have given you 8 football schools.

If that 8 held together, you could have added Louisville, Cincy, Navy, and perhaps ND.

BE North

ND, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, PSU, Navy

BE South

Louisville, VT, Cincy, West Va, Rutgers, Miami

I think these 8 could have been stable and free of BE basketball influence.

They could have played 5 and rotate 3 giving each school 4 outside games - ND would have been able to keep Stanford, USC, and Big 10 team and a wild card.

Miami would be able to keep FSU, two more Florida areas schools and a national game.

Navy would have room for Army, Air Force, a west coast team, and a southern team.

(03-04-2015 12:51 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:32 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  The Big East as it was simply wasn't going to survive realignment. We can argue about basketball/football preference, Notre Dame's position, etc all we want, but at the end of the day, the pecking order was firmly settled when the ACC took Miami. After that, any set of moves that set too many dominoes falling was going to take the top part of the Big East football schools.

This isn't to say there aren't things Big East/members schools could have done to help the situation, but nothing was going to stop any of the other major conferences taking from the Big East if they desired it.

You needed Penn State to survive.

VT always wanted to come back home to the ACC. Miami always wanted to be with FSU. You also needed to split so that bb schools were not a part of the league.

BC, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, West Va, Penn State - if these six could have come together you would been able to overcome VT's desire to come home and Miami would have stayed with PSU.

That would have given you 8 football schools.

If that 8 held together, you could have added Louisville, Cincy, Navy, and perhaps ND.

BE North

ND, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, PSU, Navy

BE South

Louisville, VT, Cincy, West Va, Rutgers, Miami

I think these 8 could have been stable and free of BE basketball influence.

They could have played 5 and rotate 3 giving each school 4 outside games - ND would have been able to keep Stanford, USC, and Big 10 team and a wild card.

Miami would be able to keep FSU, two more Florida areas schools and a national game.

Navy would have room for Army, Air Force, a west coast team, and a southern team.

ND would never have joined for football, even if Miami, Navy and Penn State were Big East members.

(03-03-2015 08:42 PM)Hitman Hart Wrote:  Inside Carolina and Pack Pride are pretty famous for banning outsider posters for very little reasons.

PackPride did this to most Cuse posters after our ACC invite. Strange...but they did allow some of us to post eventually after several attempts to reverse the initial banning. I haven't had any issues since...I don't post much but it is nice to be able to interact about tailgating/pre game planning for local knowledge.

(03-03-2015 07:26 PM)nole Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 05:07 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   ACC is a better place for all of us from the Big East!

The ACC IS the Big East.


Making many of the same mistakes.....still dealing with basketball schools stuck in a football world.

Who are the basketball schools we are stuck with?

Most important thing is that I learned through this whole thing is packsports doesn't approve outsiders to post on their board... Booooooooooooooooooooooooo

Two reasons Notre Dame might join the ACC:

1) they no longer have access to playoffs as an independent

2) failure to join the ACC would result in a clear chain of events which forces them to join the SEC or Big Ten (i.e. ACC and Big XII are gone and then the SEC and Big Ten impose a conference-only rule).

#2 requires foresight on the part of Notre Dame, but IMO it's very plausible.

(see also "Why Notre Dame SHOULD join a conference", June 2012)

(03-04-2015 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

Two reasons Notre Dame might join the ACC:

1) they no longer have access to playoffs as an independent

2) failure to join the ACC would result in a clear chain of events which forces them to join the SEC or Big Ten (i.e. ACC and Big XII are gone and then the SEC and Big Ten impose a conference-only rule).

#2 requires foresight on the part of Notre Dame, but IMO it's very plausible.

(see also "Why Notre Dame SHOULD join a conference", June 2012)

Wont happen because they seemingly putt their "indy" title even above Jesus and God themselves. Just look at the way Terry talks. As a Christian I want to root for Notre Dame but I can't because of that.

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(03-04-2015 10:38 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

Two reasons Notre Dame might join the ACC:

1) they no longer have access to playoffs as an independent

2) failure to join the ACC would result in a clear chain of events which forces them to join the SEC or Big Ten (i.e. ACC and Big XII are gone and then the SEC and Big Ten impose a conference-only rule).

#2 requires foresight on the part of Notre Dame, but IMO it's very plausible.

(see also "Why Notre Dame SHOULD join a conference", June 2012)

Wont happen because they seemingly putt their "indy" title even above Jesus and God themselves. Just look at the way Terry talks. As a Christian I want to root for Notre Dame but I can't because of that.

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Nothing ever comes above God, as a Christian(Which I try to follow Christ in my life)... But what does that have to do with conference affiliation?

(03-04-2015 12:33 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 08:42 PM)Hitman Hart Wrote:  Inside Carolina and Pack Pride are pretty famous for banning outsider posters for very little reasons.

Bandwidth is an issue, so are morons. IC checks your last 10-20 posts and if they are posted at Packpride or you have red, pack, wolf, or engineer in your name you are not getting on at IC.

For PP, we take more UNC folks for a few days but most come on as trolls and then get banned. If Blue, Ram, chapel hill, is in your name, you are not getting in.

WF, Duke, GT, CU, and FSU fans tend to be welcomed at Packpride. IC is run with more of an iron hand though.

IC only wants Carolina homer conversation. If a Carolina poster deviates from the official talking points, their posts will be deleted and they may be banned.

I have posted on both Wake boards (the dead Scout board & the new "official" board at Old Gold & Black Forums), PackPride, and The Hive (GT's board) with no problems.

(03-04-2015 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Two reasons Notre Dame might join the ACC:

1) they no longer have access to playoffs as an independent

2) failure to join the ACC would result in a clear chain of events which forces them to join the SEC or Big Ten (i.e. ACC and Big XII are gone and then the SEC and Big Ten impose a conference-only rule).

#2 requires foresight on the part of Notre Dame, but IMO it's very plausible.

(see also "Why Notre Dame SHOULD join a conference", June 2012)

#2 is wild speculation.

#1 is a flat-out lie.

(03-04-2015 10:38 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

Two reasons Notre Dame might join the ACC:

1) they no longer have access to playoffs as an independent

2) failure to join the ACC would result in a clear chain of events which forces them to join the SEC or Big Ten (i.e. ACC and Big XII are gone and then the SEC and Big Ten impose a conference-only rule).

#2 requires foresight on the part of Notre Dame, but IMO it's very plausible.

(see also "Why Notre Dame SHOULD join a conference", June 2012)

Wont happen because they seemingly putt their "indy" title even above Jesus and God themselves. Just look at the way Terry talks. As a Christian I want to root for Notre Dame but I can't because of that.

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That's just not true. They've been very clear about it with both words and actions. Independence will go when (and IF) it is no longer viable.

Just like true independence went in the 90s when that was no longer sustainable, and full football independence went two years ago.

Terry represents a very important, and maybe even majority, of Irish supporters. But ultimately, that voice will not carry the day. Notre Dame has made it clear that they are not going to go the way of Holy Cross over independence. Irish football is the tool by which they spread the message of Notre Dame to the world, and it can't lapse into merely a memory.

That doesn't mean losing independence is imminent, or even inevitable. But the concept "They will never join a conference because they won't" is just not plausible, barring a total reversal of words and actions over the past couple decades.

(03-04-2015 10:42 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:38 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

Two reasons Notre Dame might join the ACC:

1) they no longer have access to playoffs as an independent

2) failure to join the ACC would result in a clear chain of events which forces them to join the SEC or Big Ten (i.e. ACC and Big XII are gone and then the SEC and Big Ten impose a conference-only rule).

#2 requires foresight on the part of Notre Dame, but IMO it's very plausible.

(see also "Why Notre Dame SHOULD join a conference", June 2012)

Wont happen because they seemingly putt their "indy" title even above Jesus and God themselves. Just look at the way Terry talks. As a Christian I want to root for Notre Dame but I can't because of that.

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Nothing ever comes above God, as a Christian(Which I try to follow Christ in my life)... But what does that have to do with conference affiliation?

It ishouldn't have anything to do with it. Maybe its just my perception but fans like Terry are just so vocal about it that it seems to me that it has become its own religion. This makes me see why other religious universities demphasize sports.

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(03-04-2015 11:36 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:42 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Nothing ever comes above God, as a Christian(Which I try to follow Christ in my life)... But what does that have to do with conference affiliation?

It ishouldn't have anything to do with it. Maybe its just my perception but fans like Terry are just so vocal about it that it seems to me that it has become its own religion. This makes me see why other religious universities demphasize sports.

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All of us have to beware that fandom doesn't cross the line into idolatry. They used to worship animals in ancient times, and some would say there are those who do so today as well (e.g. that Crimson elephant down in Tuscaloosa?)