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RE: Notre Dame to join ACC football
(04-11-2015 10:13 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-11-2015 05:53 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  
(04-10-2015 11:03 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-10-2015 05:49 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  
(04-09-2015 02:10 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Now I know Packman info is way off the rail. 04-cheers

I seem to think 81' is ok with his info. Got to remember folks FSU, Clemson and VT(to a point) have leverage to go elsewhere. This TV contract coming up had better satisfy some. They know ND can help the cause. If you think some are going to continue to pander to the Irish and make less you are kidding. FSU of those 3 is probably the most tired of not having their way.

At this point nobody has leverage, not when you would have to fork over $50M+ and fight the GOR battle in court. In 2025 or so FSU might have different options.
FSU whines about everything, they have been tired of not getting their way since they joined the league. If they left the ACC they would be whining in their new league too......I hope they don't let the door hit 'em................


Reason FSU whines is because they have leverage. GOR I agree may hold up things for a bit. Dunno about that if NBC indeed becomes involved. IF you are a football fan of ACC I would expect FSU and few others looking out for you pretty good. Lol and without FSU what really is ACC football?

Florida State whines because they are a bunch of whiners and at this point they don't have 01-rivals for leverage.
If Florida State and their entire athletic program (including their fans) would work more on being team players within the conference, they would not have to endure the disdain of the rest of the ACC. The truth is that most of the other schools in the league look down on FSU because of their corporate attitude.
At some point Florida State will have to adjust their attitude or leave (hint: the ACC would be better off without them and their divisiveness). But at this point FSU's reputation is so tarnished within athletic circles, I doubt any other conference would take them and put up with their 01-rivals.

FSU leaving the ACC would be a 1st nail in coffin. It is not going to happen due to other reasons. I will just say this FSU and few others stood up for rest conference. You need to get off your high horse. Anyone that is Carolina fan with all the academic fraud stuff going on. THey should never criticize others. Swofford needed a miracle. Some of ACC knew ND needs final home. Played lil poker. LOL a Carolina fan looking down on others at this time and place. Most of titles during your scam run should be taken away.
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RE: Notre Dame to join ACC football
(04-12-2015 07:47 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  
(04-11-2015 10:13 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-11-2015 05:53 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  
(04-10-2015 11:03 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-10-2015 05:49 AM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  I seem to think 81' is ok with his info. Got to remember folks FSU, Clemson and VT(to a point) have leverage to go elsewhere. This TV contract coming up had better satisfy some. They know ND can help the cause. If you think some are going to continue to pander to the Irish and make less you are kidding. FSU of those 3 is probably the most tired of not having their way.

At this point nobody has leverage, not when you would have to fork over $50M+ and fight the GOR battle in court. In 2025 or so FSU might have different options.
FSU whines about everything, they have been tired of not getting their way since they joined the league. If they left the ACC they would be whining in their new league too......I hope they don't let the door hit 'em................


Reason FSU whines is because they have leverage. GOR I agree may hold up things for a bit. Dunno about that if NBC indeed becomes involved. IF you are a football fan of ACC I would expect FSU and few others looking out for you pretty good. Lol and without FSU what really is ACC football?

Florida State whines because they are a bunch of whiners and at this point they don't have 01-rivals for leverage.
If Florida State and their entire athletic program (including their fans) would work more on being team players within the conference, they would not have to endure the disdain of the rest of the ACC. The truth is that most of the other schools in the league look down on FSU because of their corporate attitude.
At some point Florida State will have to adjust their attitude or leave (hint: the ACC would be better off without them and their divisiveness). But at this point FSU's reputation is so tarnished within athletic circles, I doubt any other conference would take them and put up with their 01-rivals.

FSU leaving the ACC would be a 1st nail in coffin. It is not going to happen due to other reasons. I will just say this FSU and few others stood up for rest conference. You need to get off your high horse. Anyone that is Carolina fan with all the academic fraud stuff going on. THey should never criticize others. Swofford needed a miracle. Some of ACC knew ND needs final home. Played lil poker. LOL a Carolina fan looking down on others at this time and place. Most of titles during your scam run should be taken away.

Mr. Crumpecker, you need to remember that you are a guest on the Acc forum. Refrain from flaming at Acc schools.
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Bitter UNC fans is bitter.
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I'll jump in here for fun. 04-cheers

If I were the Commissioner of the ACC, I'd take the conference to 18 with three divisions of "6". I'd add UConn, UC and ND if possible. This would add the recruiting grounds of Ohio, (#5 Nationally). It would secure ND as well as close off the B1G's eastern expansion and infiltrate their footprint further. UC would bridge the gap between Louisville and ND and UConn would be a welcome addition for both Men's and Women's Basketball as well as strengthening the ACC's position in NY. As for the fourth team, you could chose between UCF, USF and Memphis. Memphis would add to the Conferences footprint as well as further block both the Big 12 from expansion opportunities. While UCF or USC would solidify the ACC over the SEC in Florida.

Ohio = 11,594,163 people.
Indiana = 6,596,855 people.
Connecticut = 3,596,677 people and combined with Boston College, secures all of the New England States Carriage Rights.
Tennessee = 6,549,352 people.

The conference could run three divisions named; North, Central and South. Each team play's their own Division mates and two teams each from the other two divisions for a 9 game Conference Schedule. They would complete a three year cycle and play all teams in the conference and a "6" year cycle to complete a home and home with all members.

This would also expand the content the conference has to sell and allow for immediate contract negotiations. With the B1G coming on the market in 2016, I'd do this just as they enter the market and let them set the price.

Anyway, good luck with your musings. 07-coffee3
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I don't understand why people insist on the failed idea that media markets matter more than performance. If media markets are so important why is the AAC getting peanuts for it's TV contract despite having nine of twelve football playing members in Top 50 media markets and all but one in Top 100 markets?
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(04-16-2015 07:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't understand why people insist on the failed idea that media markets matter more than performance. If media markets are so important why is the AAC getting peanuts for it's TV contract despite having nine of twelve football playing members in Top 50 media markets and all but one in Top 100 markets?

Timing! The Big East split at the worst possible time. You had the ACC, SEC and Big12 on the market if I recall correctly. Add that with their instability and you get no bids. I mean why pay for a product that may be gone tomorrow.

If performance was taken into account then in no way would Rutgers be in a Power Conference. It was all about the market location and market size. 03-phew
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(04-16-2015 07:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't understand why people insist on the failed idea that media markets matter more than performance. If media markets are so important why is the AAC getting peanuts for it's TV contract despite having nine of twelve football playing members in Top 50 media markets and all but one in Top 100 markets?

Markets don't matter. That's why nobody has been able to string together a coherent theory as to how they are magically monetized. I have no idea why some think that they do. I really don't.
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I love how people whom post as supporters of the Wealthy conferences claim that Markets aren't utilized in determining new Conference partners. Why then did the additions of the University of Maryland with the Baltimore and Washington DC markets and Rutgers with New Jersey and the NY City Market garner such headlines as the B1G hit's the jackpot with Maryland and Rutgers adds.

You guys sound naïve at best. It's all about the $. That's why Texas and the Big 12 keep saying that no one generates enough money for them to expand. Because it's all about the money. The universities market and it's penetration of said markets aid in determining their worth to a prospective Conference. 07-coffee3
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You've got that douche quo vadis blocked? LOL. Good.

And markets have value. But so does market PENETRATION, and quality of a program overall and its national viewership as well. Markets aren't the be all, end all. Rutgers and Maryland are in HUGELY populated areas and are THE school in their respective states. UC, USF, UCF and Memphis don't fit that criteria. And the ACC doesn't have a network to make the "market" argument relevant.
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(04-16-2015 07:31 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  You've got that douche quo vadis blocked? LOL. Good.

And markets have value. But so does market PENETRATION, and quality of a program overall and its national viewership as well. Markets aren't the be all, end all. Rutgers and Maryland are in HUGELY populated areas and are THE school in their respective states. UC, USF, UCF and Memphis don't fit that criteria. And the ACC doesn't have a network to make the "market" argument relevant.

My last post on this. It was for fun after all. 03-cloud9

The ACC is in the midst of negotiations for their own Conference Network. Adding Markets at this time would be prudent. As for the teams you've mentioned, Memphis is the team in Tennessee come Basketball season. Their Football is on the rise and that's good for them. UC is in Ohio much to tOSU's dismay. If they had the same financial footing as tOSU, they'd be a true player in that state. UCF and USF both still have approximately the same state wide market penetration as Miami. They are both younger and larger. They'll both pass Miami in fan base in a few years time.

I see the arguments for naysayers and I say, you lack vision and are probably going to miss out on a golden opportunity to make the ACC a true challenger to the PAC, SEC and B1G.

Anyway, best of luck and all. 04-cheers
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You argue "new markets" and then claim USF and UCF to be good additions. Except, by your own assumption, they should be poor additions.

Tennessee had more fans than Memphis this year, by a couple thousand per game. So, no, Memphis isn't Tennessee's basketball team.

These schools are some of the best of the rest in the eastern half of the US. That doesn't mean the ACC should be adding them.
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(04-16-2015 07:50 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(04-16-2015 07:31 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  You've got that douche quo vadis blocked? LOL. Good.

And markets have value. But so does market PENETRATION, and quality of a program overall and its national viewership as well. Markets aren't the be all, end all. Rutgers and Maryland are in HUGELY populated areas and are THE school in their respective states. UC, USF, UCF and Memphis don't fit that criteria. And the ACC doesn't have a network to make the "market" argument relevant.

My last post on this. It was for fun after all. 03-cloud9

The ACC is in the midst of negotiations for their own Conference Network. Adding Markets at this time would be prudent. As for the teams you've mentioned, Memphis is the team in Tennessee come Basketball season. Their Football is on the rise and that's good for them. UC is in Ohio much to tOSU's dismay. If they had the same financial footing as tOSU, they'd be a true player in that state. UCF and USF both still have approximately the same state wide market penetration as Miami. They are both younger and larger. They'll both pass Miami in fan base in a few years time.

I see the arguments for naysayers and I say, you lack vision and are probably going to miss out on a golden opportunity to make the ACC a true challenger to the PAC, SEC and B1G.

Anyway, best of luck and all. 04-cheers

Why do you think that "markets" matter?
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