(02-10-2015 05:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 05:42 PM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 08:42 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  Kentucky?

Exception , by far not the rule .

So is that it? Only Kentucky?

I mentioned 2012-13 Oregon and think they were as close to this year's Memphis team regarding non-returning scholarship backcourt players. I, unlike some, do not consider Kedren to be in that category because he does have two years of major college experience...if you consider Vanderbilt "major college", booyah! That season, Oregon had five freshmen in the backcourt and a junior who was on a football scholarship.

(02-10-2015 05:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 05:42 PM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 08:42 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  Kentucky?

Exception , by far not the rule .

I don't think anyone cares enough to research the last four or five years of D1 teams that made the NCAAt to examine rosters. That would be quite tedious. I looked at kenpom teams with the least amount of D1 experience (who went to an NCAA) for a bit. Found teams like texas with only one worthwhile player returning. Same for Michigan a few years ago when Tim H. was a frosh.

Like I noted earlier, the Memphis team in 2010-11 had no returning guards.

Other schools have had one guard or only one or two total scholarship players returning.

It almost requires a nexus of impossible. To lose ALL returning guards. Yet somehow Josh has done it twice since 2010.

Clap clap.

So in all your research you found none. Why didn't you just say that instead of making a fool of yourself?

(02-10-2015 05:35 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 05:29 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Well... I just realized something. Paxton Lynch was routinely criticized when he hit open WR in the hands as a Fr, but somehow was a bad QB... Partner creates plays for open shots, but somehow is a terrible coach because he doesn't give up on plays that do exactly what they are supposed to do.... create an open shot!!!

The frustrating thing for me is that for all the criticism, that IMO, the issues are so easily correctible and would make a huge difference right away.

1. STOP the bigs from running 20' wind sprints to and away from the basket

2. STOP the guards from chasing their man out to midcourt

3. Tell the guards; especially Pookie, to attack the basket. Either blow by your defender or create contact when you are beside him. Don't play scared

Did you watch the game last night? Lebo just pulled his guards out farther and positioned his bigs at the high post. We had no adjustment whatsoever. It was the same thing Temple did.

I'm astounded at his lack of adjustments in game and refusal to change. I don't know why you have any faith that any of that is ever going to be any different.

(02-10-2015 08:41 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  How many teams have ever made it to the NCAA Tournament with zero returning scholarship backcourt players? I don't recall any but maybe there are some. This of course is the case with us this year as we do not have one single returning backcourt player.

Note: This is not necessarily a defense for Pastner, but more of a gauge to what reality of expectations we as fans should have had this year.

So are you saying Pastner should have made sure he had a returning scholarship backcourt player as coach?

Well, it was an absurd question to begin with.

Might as well ask: How many teams have made the NCAA tournament when one of their assistant coaches had a kidney stone, they lose a scrimmage to a DII school, and their starting lineup is a combined 33 feet tall???

How many, huh???

(02-11-2015 11:46 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 08:41 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  How many teams have ever made it to the NCAA Tournament with zero returning scholarship backcourt players? I don't recall any but maybe there are some. This of course is the case with us this year as we do not have one single returning backcourt player.

Note: This is not necessarily a defense for Pastner, but more of a gauge to what reality of expectations we as fans should have had this year.

So are you saying Pastner should have made sure he had a returning scholarship backcourt player as coach?

Spot on

(02-11-2015 11:46 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 08:41 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  How many teams have ever made it to the NCAA Tournament with zero returning scholarship backcourt players? I don't recall any but maybe there are some. This of course is the case with us this year as we do not have one single returning backcourt player.

Note: This is not necessarily a defense for Pastner, but more of a gauge to what reality of expectations we as fans should have had this year.

So are you saying Pastner should have made sure he had a returning scholarship backcourt player as coach?

Sure...just like most coaches.

However, when Jackson and Crawford were Juniors...Pastner brought in Junior transfer Johnson instead of targeting another HS recruit.

When Jackson, Crawford and Johnson were Seniors, Pastner brought in a troubled senior transfer from Mizzou...again, instead of targeting another HS recruit.

Sure seems like Pastner went for the quick fix...vs building up his program with depth.

(02-11-2015 12:20 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 11:46 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 08:41 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  How many teams have ever made it to the NCAA Tournament with zero returning scholarship backcourt players? I don't recall any but maybe there are some. This of course is the case with us this year as we do not have one single returning backcourt player.

Note: This is not necessarily a defense for Pastner, but more of a gauge to what reality of expectations we as fans should have had this year.

So are you saying Pastner should have made sure he had a returning scholarship backcourt player as coach?

Sure...just like most coaches.

However, when Jackson and Crawford were Juniors...Pastner brought in Junior transfer Johnson instead of targeting another HS recruit.

When Jackson, Crawford and Johnson were Seniors, Pastner brought in a troubled senior transfer from Mizzou...again, instead of targeting another HS recruit.

Sure seems like Pastner went for the quick fix...vs building up his program with depth.

It's been painfully obvious for a while, and is especially evident this year, that he does not know how to develop the players he recruits. If a player is not producing, he simply throws another player at the problem. He does the same thing in games.

(02-10-2015 05:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 05:42 PM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 08:42 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  Kentucky?

Exception , by far not the rule .

So is that it? Only Kentucky?

Find me another team that normally makes the tournament that returned no one in the backcourt...That is the challange...Give me something to compare to.

Seems we have found more that have succeeded than have not.

RCM says 12-13 Oregon and they got better

(02-11-2015 09:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 05:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 05:42 PM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 08:42 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  Kentucky?

Exception , by far not the rule .

I don't think anyone cares enough to research the last four or five years of D1 teams that made the NCAAt to examine rosters. That would be quite tedious. I looked at kenpom teams with the least amount of D1 experience (who went to an NCAA) for a bit. Found teams like texas with only one worthwhile player returning. Same for Michigan a few years ago when Tim H. was a frosh.

Like I noted earlier, the Memphis team in 2010-11 had no returning guards.

Other schools have had one guard or only one or two total scholarship players returning.

It almost requires a nexus of impossible. To lose ALL returning guards. Yet somehow Josh has done it twice since 2010.

Clap clap.

So in all your research you found none. Why didn't you just say that instead of making a fool of yourself?

Find me another team that normally makes the tournament that returned no one in the backcourt...That is the challange...Give me something to compare to...You seem so confident so it shoud be easy to do RIGHT

Seems we have found more that have succeeded than have not.

RCM says 12-13 Oregon and they got better

Just one

(02-11-2015 12:20 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 11:46 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 08:41 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  How many teams have ever made it to the NCAA Tournament with zero returning scholarship backcourt players? I don't recall any but maybe there are some. This of course is the case with us this year as we do not have one single returning backcourt player.

Note: This is not necessarily a defense for Pastner, but more of a gauge to what reality of expectations we as fans should have had this year.

So are you saying Pastner should have made sure he had a returning scholarship backcourt player as coach?

Sure...just like most coaches.

However, when Jackson and Crawford were Juniors...Pastner brought in Junior transfer Johnson instead of targeting another HS recruit.

When Jackson, Crawford and Johnson were Seniors, Pastner brought in a troubled senior transfer from Mizzou...again, instead of targeting another HS recruit.

Sure seems like Pastner went for the quick fix...vs building up his program with depth.

People should read this post and they would know what is up. It is pretty much spot on but not the whole story.

(02-11-2015 12:20 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 11:46 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 08:41 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  How many teams have ever made it to the NCAA Tournament with zero returning scholarship backcourt players? I don't recall any but maybe there are some. This of course is the case with us this year as we do not have one single returning backcourt player.

Note: This is not necessarily a defense for Pastner, but more of a gauge to what reality of expectations we as fans should have had this year.

So are you saying Pastner should have made sure he had a returning scholarship backcourt player as coach?

Sure...just like most coaches.

However, when Jackson and Crawford were Juniors...Pastner brought in Junior transfer Johnson instead of targeting another HS recruit.

When Jackson, Crawford and Johnson were Seniors, Pastner brought in a troubled senior transfer from Mizzou...again, instead of targeting another HS recruit.

Sure seems like Pastner went for the quick fix...vs building up his program with depth.

You think Pastner should have turned down Geron Johnson? You think a top 50 recruit was going to sign on knowing that he had 3 quality veterans plus Pookie already in the fold?

You have no clue whatsoever.