(12-16-2014 01:04 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  What libs refuse to accept is there are very bad people in this world and that police officers put their lives on the line to protect us from them. In Lib Utopia there are only good people in the world and bad police officers. That is not the way the world is.

I don't believe anybody in their right mind believes that. They just want officers to act within the constraints of the law, which all too often doesn't happen. It may only be 0.5% of the officers whom are the problem, but that would still be over 3500 around the country.

(12-16-2014 01:07 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:04 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  What libs refuse to accept is there are very bad people in this world and that police officers put their lives on the line to protect us from them. In Lib Utopia there are only good people in the world and bad police officers. That is not the way the world is.

I don't believe anybody in their right mind believes that. They just want officers to act within the constraints of the law, which all too often doesn't happen. It may only be 0.5% of the officers whom are the problem, but that would still be over 3500 around the country.

If you think many libs don't think that way, you are being naive.

According to the legalized pot thread, if we want to reduce shootings just legalize them.

(12-16-2014 01:09 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  If you think many libs don't think that way, you are being naive.

I'd say that if you think that the liberals don't want any police officers then you are being naive.

(12-16-2014 12:56 PM)mlb Wrote:  Either way, this just goes to show that there are a lot of bad officers out there who need to be held accountable. Instead many people seem to just believe that they can do no wrong and we shouldn't hold their feet to the fire.

Almost 50,000 (Fifty Thousand) police officers were assaulted while on-duty last year. How many law abiding citizens were shot and/or killed by police in 2013?

(12-16-2014 01:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  According to the legalized pot thread, if we want to reduce shootings just legalize them.

So true

(12-16-2014 01:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 12:56 PM)mlb Wrote:  Either way, this just goes to show that there are a lot of bad officers out there who need to be held accountable. Instead many people seem to just believe that they can do no wrong and we shouldn't hold their feet to the fire.

Almost 50,000 (Fifty Thousand) police officers were assaulted while on-duty last year. How many law abiding citizens were shot and/or killed by police in 2013?

How many were assaulted?

(12-16-2014 01:09 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:07 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:04 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  What libs refuse to accept is there are very bad people in this world and that police officers put their lives on the line to protect us from them. In Lib Utopia there are only good people in the world and bad police officers. That is not the way the world is.

I don't believe anybody in their right mind believes that. They just want officers to act within the constraints of the law, which all too often doesn't happen. It may only be 0.5% of the officers whom are the problem, but that would still be over 3500 around the country.

If you think many libs don't think that way, you are being naive.

I don't know of any liberals who think that way. Sorry.

I am very much pro police and I have defended their recent militarization in receiving and using old military vehicles.

I have also said on numerous occasions that cops do an extremely dangerous job for not very much money. They have my total respect as long as they don't cross the line.

That being said, that doesn't mean that I can't recognize when some cops do bad things, nor that I can't complain and want things better when that happens.

We really get into trouble when we try to paint with such a broad brush and should just not do it.

(12-16-2014 01:31 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 12:56 PM)mlb Wrote:  Either way, this just goes to show that there are a lot of bad officers out there who need to be held accountable. Instead many people seem to just believe that they can do no wrong and we shouldn't hold their feet to the fire.

Almost 50,000 (Fifty Thousand) police officers were assaulted while on-duty last year. How many law abiding citizens were shot and/or killed by police in 2013?

How many were assaulted?

I'm asking you. 76 police were killed in the line of duty, while 48,851 were assaulted in the line of duty.

Didn't we have a thread that showed almost 1000 people being killed? How many people are assaulted and how many are assaulted and not reported?

Look, police have a hard job. I don't deny that. I'm just saying I'm not buying their version of events just as I don't buy the other person's. I want a full investigation to every assault and homicide.

(12-16-2014 01:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 12:56 PM)mlb Wrote:  Either way, this just goes to show that there are a lot of bad officers out there who need to be held accountable. Instead many people seem to just believe that they can do no wrong and we shouldn't hold their feet to the fire.

Almost 50,000 (Fifty Thousand) police officers were assaulted while on-duty last year. How many law abiding citizens were shot and/or killed by police in 2013?

That's a really good question LSU. But did you realize that those stats are not even kept? I wonder why that is?

Quote:there is no reliable national data on how many people are shot by police officers each year.

The government does, however, keep a database of how many officers are killed in the line of duty. In 2012, the most recent year for which FBI data is available, it was 48 – 44 of them killed with firearms.

But how many people in the United States were shot, or killed, by law enforcement officers during that year? No one knows.

How many police shootings a year? No one knows

(12-16-2014 01:53 PM)mlb Wrote:  Didn't we have a thread that showed almost 1000 people being killed? How many people are assaulted and how many are assaulted and not reported?

Look, police have a hard job. I don't deny that. I'm just saying I'm not buying their version of events just as I don't buy the other person's. I want a full investigation to every assault and homicide.

And something I just heard last night for the first time that is really interesting, is why we continue to use the mostly secretive process of a grand jury? Many nations no longer use it. And in fact, half of the states in America no longer use it.

England abolished theirs in 1933.
England abolished grand juries decades ago because they didn't work

(12-16-2014 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:53 PM)mlb Wrote:  Didn't we have a thread that showed almost 1000 people being killed? How many people are assaulted and how many are assaulted and not reported?

Look, police have a hard job. I don't deny that. I'm just saying I'm not buying their version of events just as I don't buy the other person's. I want a full investigation to every assault and homicide.

And something I just heard last night for the first time that is really interesting, is why we continue to use the mostly secretive process of a grand jury? Many nations no longer use it. And in fact, half of the states in America no longer use it.

England abolished theirs in 1933.
England abolished grand juries decades ago because they didn't work

England also abolished fluoride in its drinking water. So, there's that.

(12-16-2014 01:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't know of any liberals who think that way. Sorry.

I am very much pro police and I have defended their recent militarization in receiving and using old military vehicles.

I have also said on numerous occasions that cops do an extremely dangerous job for not very much money. They have my total respect as long as they don't cross the line.

That being said, that doesn't mean that I can't recognize when some cops do bad things, nor that I can't complain and want things better when that happens.

We really get into trouble when we try to paint with such a broad brush and should just not do it.

Looking at DeBlasio (sp) and others like him. None of which are affiliated with the right wing. YOU may not support their position, but many liberals do. (Yes, I know, you're not a lib)

(12-16-2014 01:53 PM)mlb Wrote:  Didn't we have a thread that showed almost 1000 people being killed? How many people are assaulted and how many are assaulted and not reported?

Look, police have a hard job. I don't deny that. I'm just saying I'm not buying their version of events just as I don't buy the other person's. I want a full investigation to every assault and homicide.

Did we? I don't know. I know that death of police this year, as of November, was well into the hundreds.

(12-16-2014 02:12 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:53 PM)mlb Wrote:  Didn't we have a thread that showed almost 1000 people being killed? How many people are assaulted and how many are assaulted and not reported?

Look, police have a hard job. I don't deny that. I'm just saying I'm not buying their version of events just as I don't buy the other person's. I want a full investigation to every assault and homicide.

Did we? I don't know. I know that death of police this year, as of November, was well into the hundreds.

Sorry. No.

Quote:Line of Duty Deaths: 109
Assault: 2
Automobile accident: 24
Drowned: 1
Fire: 1
Gunfire: 43
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 15
Motorcycle accident: 3
Struck by vehicle: 3
Vehicle pursuit: 5
Vehicular assault: 10

http://www.odmp.org/search/year

(12-16-2014 02:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:12 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:53 PM)mlb Wrote:  Didn't we have a thread that showed almost 1000 people being killed? How many people are assaulted and how many are assaulted and not reported?

Look, police have a hard job. I don't deny that. I'm just saying I'm not buying their version of events just as I don't buy the other person's. I want a full investigation to every assault and homicide.

Did we? I don't know. I know that death of police this year, as of November, was well into the hundreds.

Sorry. No.

Quote:Line of Duty Deaths: 109
Assault: 2
Automobile accident: 24
Drowned: 1
Fire: 1
Gunfire: 43
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 15
Motorcycle accident: 3
Struck by vehicle: 3
Vehicle pursuit: 5
Vehicular assault: 10

http://www.odmp.org/search/year

That's it. Yeah my data was off... But you can read how each of those happened, so I was browsing through the gunfire stories, and most were just showing up somewhere after being called. It's crap like that that puts them so high on their toes, which puts people so high on their toes, which becomes a never ending circle of distrust between police and citizens. Even more of a reason why you should be polite when encountered or pulled over by cops. It could prevent lots of heartache.