“Hands up, don’t shoot . . . white people”

Quote: With the turmoil in Ferguson (MO) the latest example, activists and many reporters would have us believe that police officers are prejudicially “trigger happy” when dealing with black suspects.

But a scientific study from Washington State University-Spokane suggests just the opposite. In truth, according to findings from the research team’s innovative experiments:

• Officers were less likely to erroneously shoot unarmed black suspects than they were unarmed whites — 25 times less likely, in fact

• And officers hesitated significantly longer before shooting armed suspects who were black, compared to armed subjects who were white or Hispanic

“In sum,” writes Dr. Lois James, a research assistant professor with the university’s Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology who headed the study, “this research found that participants displayed significant bias favoring Black suspects” in their shooting decisions.

http://www.policeone.com/use-of-force/ar...udy-finds/

Spokane is 2% African American.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

All this study confirms is that police behave differently when they know they are being monitored. How surprising.

(12-16-2014 09:20 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  All this study confirms is that police behave differently when they know they are being monitored. How surprising.

I'm guessing that almost ALL workers fall into that category. No?

What does Spokane's population have to do with anything?

And wtf are you babbling about grad?

(12-16-2014 09:25 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:20 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  All this study confirms is that police behave differently when they know they are being monitored. How surprising.

I'm guessing that almost ALL workers fall into that category. No?

Yep, but not all workers carry guns and are authorized to shoot others.

Cops Are 25 Times More Likely To Shoot Unarmed White Suspects Than Black Ones


Only a race baiter would disagree with that.

(12-16-2014 09:29 AM)Paul M Wrote:  What does Spokane's population have to do with anything?

And wtf are you babbling about grad?

The study. Didn't you read it?

Quote:Enhanced Testing
Along with civilians and military personnel who were tested independently, 36 patrol officers and deputies from the Spokane area, all of them white and most of them male, were selected as volunteer subjects for her research. They ranged in age from 31 to 43 and had at least five years on the job.

Armed with a Glock 21 modified to fire a laser beam, the officers one at a time were exposed to a series of at least 10 “highly realistic and arousing” scenarios in a high-definition deadly force judgment and decision-making simulator in WSU’s Simulated Hazardous Operational Tasks laboratory. The equipment permitted precise determination of shot placement and millisecond measurement of shot timing after a threat appeared.

The life-sized scenarios were randomly screened from a pool of 60 one- to two-minute episodes based on actual encounters in which officers have been killed or assaulted. They were filmed in “naturalistic” environments and included disturbance calls, arrest situations, crimes in progress, suspicious person investigations, and traffic stops — the biggest killers of cops. They ranged in “situational difficulty” from “intermediate” to “journeyman,” depending on variables such as the number of people involved, the speed at which action unfolds, and suspect demeanor, intoxication, and deceptive behavior.

They knew they were being tested. The results aren't from actual events, but simulations. Furthermore, they tested people from the area who aren't exposed normally to a broad African-American population in their day to day job, so it stands to reason that they'd be more cautious in dealing with scenarios with diverse populations. Your mind would naturally think that if you saw a black or Hispanic person in the scenario that likely they weren't armed since you knew you were being tested.

(12-16-2014 09:47 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Cops Are 25 Times More Likely To Shoot Unarmed White Suspects Than Black Ones

Only a race baiter would disagree with that.

Or someone who read other studies which concluded the exact opposite.

To wit:

Denver cops more likely to shoot minorities than whites

......maybe if we put all cops in a test case, less people would get shot.

With that said, being a policeman in many places can be a tough job. There is a distinct chance of getting shot, and a whole lot of Monday morning quarterbacking that goes on in situations where a person only has seconds to make decisions..........and if you make the wrong one - you could be dead. You almost couldn't set up conditions to be more error prone.

(12-16-2014 09:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:47 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Cops Are 25 Times More Likely To Shoot Unarmed White Suspects Than Black Ones

Only a race baiter would disagree with that.

Or someone who read other studies which concluded the exact opposite.

To wit:

Denver cops more likely to shoot minorities than whites

Ooooh, I see. If there is another study that debunks the one you disagree with, that's the study that is accurate. I get it now, thanks for clearing things up for me.

(12-16-2014 10:20 AM)Crebman Wrote:  ......maybe if we put all cops in a test case, less people would get shot.

With that said, being a policeman in many places can be a tough job. There is a distinct chance of getting shot, and a whole lot of Monday morning quarterbacking that goes on in situations where a person only has seconds to make decisions..........and if you make the wrong one - you could be dead. You almost couldn't set up conditions to be more error prone.

Not only that, but 49,851 officers were victims of line-of-duty assaults in 2013 alone.

(12-16-2014 09:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:29 AM)Paul M Wrote:  What does Spokane's population have to do with anything?

And wtf are you babbling about grad?

The study. Didn't you read it?

Quote:Enhanced Testing
Along with civilians and military personnel who were tested independently, 36 patrol officers and deputies from the Spokane area, all of them white and most of them male, were selected as volunteer subjects for her research. They ranged in age from 31 to 43 and had at least five years on the job.

Armed with a Glock 21 modified to fire a laser beam, the officers one at a time were exposed to a series of at least 10 “highly realistic and arousing” scenarios in a highNi-definition deadly force judgment and decision-making simulator in WSU’s Simulated Hazardous Operational Tasks laboratory. The equipment permitted precise determination of shot placement and millisecond measurement of shot timing after a threat appeared.

The life-sized scenarios were randomly screened from a pool of 60 one- to two-minute episodes based on actual encounters in which officers have been killed or assaulted. They were filmed in “naturalistic” environments and included disturbance calls, arrest situations, crimes in progress, suspicious person investigations, and traffic stops — the biggest killers of cops. They ranged in “situational difficulty” from “intermediate” to “journeyman,” depending on variables such as the number of people involved, the speed at which action unfolds, and suspect demeanor, intoxication, and deceptive behavior.

They knew they were being tested. The results aren't from actual events, but simulations. Furthermore, they tested people from the area who aren't exposed normally to a broad African-American population in their day to day job, so it stands to reason that they'd be more cautious in dealing with scenarios with diverse populations. Your mind would naturally think that if you saw a black or Hispanic person in the scenario that likely they weren't armed since you knew you were being tested.

So now even simulators try to be PC and make it look like the White guy is the Villian ? Geeze the TV and Movie and Comedy industry has been pulling that crap for years now. You cant even see a Terrorist based movie with the proper Middle East Terrorists. No it has to be a White supremacists group or German, South African White guys. Face it Most violent crimes are commited by groups of non whites but Liberal race baiters have successfully made White Males the Evil Empire.

(12-16-2014 11:03 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:29 AM)Paul M Wrote:  What does Spokane's population have to do with anything?

And wtf are you babbling about grad?

The study. Didn't you read it?

Quote:Enhanced Testing
Along with civilians and military personnel who were tested independently, 36 patrol officers and deputies from the Spokane area, all of them white and most of them male, were selected as volunteer subjects for her research. They ranged in age from 31 to 43 and had at least five years on the job.

Armed with a Glock 21 modified to fire a laser beam, the officers one at a time were exposed to a series of at least 10 “highly realistic and arousing” scenarios in a highNi-definition deadly force judgment and decision-making simulator in WSU’s Simulated Hazardous Operational Tasks laboratory. The equipment permitted precise determination of shot placement and millisecond measurement of shot timing after a threat appeared.

The life-sized scenarios were randomly screened from a pool of 60 one- to two-minute episodes based on actual encounters in which officers have been killed or assaulted. They were filmed in “naturalistic” environments and included disturbance calls, arrest situations, crimes in progress, suspicious person investigations, and traffic stops — the biggest killers of cops. They ranged in “situational difficulty” from “intermediate” to “journeyman,” depending on variables such as the number of people involved, the speed at which action unfolds, and suspect demeanor, intoxication, and deceptive behavior.

They knew they were being tested. The results aren't from actual events, but simulations. Furthermore, they tested people from the area who aren't exposed normally to a broad African-American population in their day to day job, so it stands to reason that they'd be more cautious in dealing with scenarios with diverse populations. Your mind would naturally think that if you saw a black or Hispanic person in the scenario that likely they weren't armed since you knew you were being tested.

So now even simulators try to be PC and make it look like the White guy is the Villian ? Geeze the TV and Movie and Comedy industry has been pulling that crap for years now. You cant even see a Terrorist based movie with the proper Middle East Terrorists. No it has to be a White supremacists group or German, South African White guys. Face it Most violent crimes are commited by groups of non whites but Liberal race baiters have successfully made White Males the Evil Empire.

Ever seen Planet of the Apes? The one from 2000 with Marky Mark...

(12-16-2014 10:26 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:47 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Cops Are 25 Times More Likely To Shoot Unarmed White Suspects Than Black Ones

Only a race baiter would disagree with that.

Or someone who read other studies which concluded the exact opposite.

To wit:

Denver cops more likely to shoot minorities than whites

Ooooh, I see. If there is another study that debunks the one you disagree with, that's the study that is accurate. I get it now, thanks for clearing things up for me.

Please stay on point.

1. I never said that. I think both studies were accurate.
2. I was merely refuting your flawed assumption that only a race baiter could disagree with this study.

I gave you several valid reasons why this study ended with the results it did. Not saying this disproves the results from this town, but they are certainly plausible. If you want to discuss them, then lets do that.

Finally, anyone who would take one test as proof positive for all scenarios in all states would be foolish. Regardless if they proved your belief or not.

The board leftists have their own version of facts. The study stands on it's own. The left's hate for police officers rules in their sick world.

(12-16-2014 09:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 09:47 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Cops Are 25 Times More Likely To Shoot Unarmed White Suspects Than Black Ones

Only a race baiter would disagree with that.

Or someone who read other studies which concluded the exact opposite.

To wit:

Denver cops more likely to shoot minorities than whites

That's fine, so long as you agree/admit (and I think you would) that
a) they were measuring completely different things - 1 was essentially trying to measure racism and the other is merely a statistical analysis for which there are numerous possible explanations.
b) that EVERY study needs the sort of analysis and explanation of methodologies etc that people so often reserve only for those that disagree with their opinions.

The first study somewhat does what people say it does. But because the hesitation about black suspects is greater than that for whites, it isn't MERELY that they are being watched... but that the concern over being labeled a racist is greater than the concern over being 'overly aggressive'. Of course, that isn't the only possible explanation, but it certainly has some support.

As to the Denver study, it arguably only shows that people suspected of crimes are more likely to be shot than those that aren't. Outside of that, it is no different than any other study that shows that black people are convicted of crimes more often... and black people are more likely to be poor.

What ISN'T answered is whether they are more likely to commit crime because they are poor... or whether they are more likely to be caught because they more frequently live in high crime, high police presence areas... or whether they are merely more likely to be caught or convicted simply because they are black.

The stereotypical white drug dealer is a guy in a trailer home in the country or selling drugs in a low crime area like a prep school or in private like a club. The stereotypical black drug dealer is a guy in a high crime/high police presence area. Now those are absolutely stereotypes and not indicative of any individual... but I suspect by the same 'percentages' used in this study, they are as applicable.

I saw a study by the Austin Police department basically agreeing with those stereotypes. A few cops could arrest 10 dealers and 1,000 users in a poor neighborhood, but it took far more cops to arrest anywhere near that many dealers OR users in the country or a more wealthy area.

Either way, this just goes to show that there are a lot of bad officers out there who need to be held accountable. Instead many people seem to just believe that they can do no wrong and we shouldn't hold their feet to the fire.

(12-16-2014 12:56 PM)mlb Wrote:  Either way, this just goes to show that there are a lot of bad officers out there who need to be held accountable. Instead many people seem to just believe that they can do no wrong and we shouldn't hold their feet to the fire.

What libs refuse to accept is there are very bad people in this world and that police officers put their lives on the line to protect us from them. In Lib Utopia there are only good people in the world and bad police officers. That is not the way the world is.

(12-16-2014 12:56 PM)mlb Wrote:  Either way, this just goes to show that there are a lot of bad officers out there who need to be held accountable. Instead many people seem to just believe that they can do no wrong and we shouldn't hold their feet to the fire.

How do these studies 'show' that?