(10-08-2015 07:43 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 07:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Ya'll didn't believe us Coogs when we told you, OU was backing us into the B12. Turned out to be true. This guy is maybe on to something and ain't talking about crack.

No....OU simply knows that by backing Houston, they cause an issue because they know some of the Texas schools don't want to bring up anymore Texas schools. They aren't backing you, they are creating chaos if they are acting as if they are backing you. Sorry.

Ok if you say so President Boren

(10-08-2015 07:43 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 07:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Ya'll didn't believe us Coogs when we told you, OU was backing us into the B12. Turned out to be true. This guy is maybe on to something and ain't talking about crack.

No....OU simply knows that by backing Houston, they cause an issue because they know some of the Texas schools don't want to bring up anymore Texas schools. They aren't backing you, they are creating chaos if they are acting as if they are backing you. Sorry.

He1nous -

when will you realize that Houston is part of Delany's OU plan?

OU's leadership prefers the Big 10 to the SEC. But OU does not want to leave the Texas recruiting market. It would be MUCH more comfortable going to the Big 10 with a Texas school.

Further, Delany is not going to expand to Oklahoma and then not invade Texas. Not with two major media markets in DFW and Houston.

A&M is out. UT may be out, what with their ESPN LHN deal incongruent with B1G's Fox deal.

So that leaves Houston or Tech as the main football playing research institutions. Houston has higher average freshman admission metrics, and does more federal research. It's also located in what soon will be the 3rd largest city in the nation. From a Big 10 network perspective, adding Houston would be a "Rutgers" move.

Tremendous investment has been made in the athletic facilities and the campus as a whole. UH will open a medical school in a few years, boosting the research money significantly.

OU is backing UH to the Big 12 because OU sees a very valuable potential strategic relationship with UH vis a vis the Big 10.

I would also say Houston , Cincinnati would be 2 great adds to the ACC. Both have made recent upgrades in facilities and Academic standings and can be added without shutting down another p5 conference. If an ACC network is started, The Texas and Ohio markets would be a boon to the conference.

Maybe if Boise can rebrand itself into a more regional team that can draw fans - and TV markets - from other DMA's in addition to Boise, the ACC can get a coup by inviting Boise and capturing multiple DMA's in the northwest...

(10-07-2014 07:35 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I believe that the Dude, MHver3 and TuxedoYoda are all the same whack job. I believe some not created all three of those personnas to give his nonsense more credibility. He has been wrong at nearly every single turn. However, he continues to find an audience for his nonsense because people will believe what they want to believe.

You haven't seen them fighting with each other. And the Minnesota Dude seems to spend most of his non-Gopher posts trolling the WV Dude.

All you have to do is read them to see its 4 different writing styles. When MHVer3 created a sock puppet to talk to himself on the WV board, it was obvious from the writing style.

(10-07-2014 09:59 AM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 08:28 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 08:23 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 08:10 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Greg Flugaur is actually close to the truth but it is not as simple as he makes it out to be.

Yoda is as much of a crackpot as he always was. Big 12 expansion with Miami? That guy seriously just wants hits.

Even Dude knows that no one is gonna buy into any rumor of the Big 12 expanding.

Dude said we would be joining in full by 2017, watch the scheduling as proof. Well we just booked up 2017 with our last game... So the proof is we're staying indy.

You wont get any argument out of me that Dude hasn't known **** all along. At best he has been used as a misinformation agent. I actually think he knew stuff back when West Virginia was in the process of joining the Big 12. Their people at WVU, at that time, were free to be "agents" for the Big 12 with other entities without there being any blowback upon the Big 12 conference. I would assume that a whole lot of information flowed through WVU at that time.

The moment they officially joined the Big 12 though they could no fill that role and the info stopped. Dude came out and said that is when he made some Big Ten contacts. His stories were all over the place, jumping around from here to there and whatever. Those folks from the Big Ten, if they weren't figments of his imagination, were using and abusing him for their own purpose.

Notre Dame is absolutely staying Indy and if Texas moves, they will be adding to the strength of Notre Dame staying Indy. They are the plug in the dam.

I saw on post from the Ohio State insider nevadabuck on their premium site that corroborated that the Dude of WV was getting his info from the same place he was. Apparently the nevadabuck guy asked his source why he was also giving info to the Dude. So, I know the Dude has/had at least one real good source of information.

I had doubts about the Dude of WV until he got McMurphy on his podcast. He had to have some connections. But I think Helnious has it-his best data was gone once WVU joined the Big 12. And he just posted what he heard without a common sense filter.

And this is a year old post. Dude of WV is still saying Big 12 isn't expanding. Dude of Minnesota is saying its between BYU, UH and UCF and the Big 12 will expand in 2017, but doesn't claim any contacts in the Big 12-He's getting it from Big 10 people.

(10-07-2014 02:29 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  Most of these guys only get attention when they posit rumors about expansion. So far they have been very inaccurate in realignment. They seem to throw crap against the window to see what sticks mostly.

A year later, this is still the most accurate and concise comment about the people who start/spread the expansion/realignment rumors.

I don't think that any of these guys really "know" a damn thing right now.

Perhaps, there is not a lot to "know", anyway?

(10-08-2015 09:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I don't think that any of these guys really "know" a damn thing right now.

Perhaps, there is not a lot to "know", anyway?

Yep

(10-08-2015 07:58 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  It's also located in what soon will be the 3rd largest city in the nation.

Is Houston really on pace to pass up Chicago?

(10-08-2015 10:49 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 07:58 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  It's also located in what soon will be the 3rd largest city in the nation.

Is Houston really on pace to pass up Chicago?

Yes it is

LINK

Oh city proper. Gotcha. Because I was thinking there are a lot of cities between Houston and Chicago on the largest cities list (as defined by CSA).

(10-07-2014 10:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  Its a lot tougher to financially justify expansion than it was in 2010. Finding a school that generates $7-$10 million additional is easier than finding one that generates $20 million.

It isn't necessary for the two schools added to the Big 12 to generate $20 million. The TV contract allows expansion without reducing shares + adding a conference championship game is worth $25 million + the new additions will initially only ask for partial revenue shares (same as TCU and WVU did). Big 12 can bridge the footprint gap toward WVU with schools which have proven football potential (see Memphis and Cincinnati) while adding valuable TV markets and recruiting territory and actually having 12 schools.

(10-08-2015 11:01 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Oh city proper. Gotcha. Because I was thinking there are a lot of cities between Houston and Chicago on the largest cities list (as defined by CSA).

In MSA, Houston is 5th and Dallas-Ft. Worth 4th. Both are projected to pass Chicago before mid-century, probably around 2040. Of course, a lot can happen in 25 years.

(10-08-2015 11:06 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  It isn't necessary for the two schools added to the Big 12 to generate $20 million. The TV contract allows expansion without reducing shares + adding a conference championship game is worth $25 million + the new additions will initially only ask for partial revenue shares (same as TCU and WVU did).

When OU's president mentioned that the contract allows for new teams and prorated shares, he also said that no new money for a CCG would be received. So estimated funds for that cannot be counted for whatever reason.

(10-08-2015 08:16 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would also say Houston , Cincinnati would be 2 great adds to the ACC. Both have made recent upgrades in facilities and Academic standings and can be added without shutting down another p5 conference. If an ACC network is started, The Texas and Ohio markets would be a boon to the conference.

completely agree

The state of Texas has a lot of great expansion candidates for everyone. Recruiting, markets, etc.

Texas is where it's at. It's the goldmine of college football

(10-08-2015 11:36 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 11:06 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  It isn't necessary for the two schools added to the Big 12 to generate $20 million. The TV contract allows expansion without reducing shares + adding a conference championship game is worth $25 million + the new additions will initially only ask for partial revenue shares (same as TCU and WVU did).

When OU's president mentioned that the contract allows for new teams and prorated shares, he also said that no new money for a CCG would be received. So estimated funds for that cannot be counted for whatever reason.

Do you have a link? I've specifically looked in articles for that information and they have never said they would not get new money. In a few they implied they would, but never came right out and said it.

If the Big 12 expands, it will be with non-P5 P5 schools:

Army
Navy
Air Force
BYU
Cincinnati
UCONN

(10-08-2015 11:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 11:36 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 11:06 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  It isn't necessary for the two schools added to the Big 12 to generate $20 million. The TV contract allows expansion without reducing shares + adding a conference championship game is worth $25 million + the new additions will initially only ask for partial revenue shares (same as TCU and WVU did).

When OU's president mentioned that the contract allows for new teams and prorated shares, he also said that no new money for a CCG would be received. So estimated funds for that cannot be counted for whatever reason.

Do you have a link? I've specifically looked in articles for that information and they have never said they would not get new money. In a few they implied they would, but never came right out and said it.

It was in the very same article where he mentioned the pro rata increase, or at least the statement was made in the same setting as when he mentioned the other part. That is why you can't use one without the other. It has always been amazing to me that that his mention of the CCG has been overlooked all this time.

(10-08-2015 11:44 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 11:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 11:36 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 11:06 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  It isn't necessary for the two schools added to the Big 12 to generate $20 million. The TV contract allows expansion without reducing shares + adding a conference championship game is worth $25 million + the new additions will initially only ask for partial revenue shares (same as TCU and WVU did).

When OU's president mentioned that the contract allows for new teams and prorated shares, he also said that no new money for a CCG would be received. So estimated funds for that cannot be counted for whatever reason.

Do you have a link? I've specifically looked in articles for that information and they have never said they would not get new money. In a few they implied they would, but never came right out and said it.

It was in the very same article where he mentioned the pro rata increase, or at least the statement was made in the same setting as when he mentioned the other part. That is why you can't use one without the other. It has always been amazing to me that that his mention of the CCG has been overlooked all this time.

I don't believe that is correct. He said the playoff money would not increase, but didn't specifically address a conference championship game.