(10-09-2014 12:33 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:30 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:05 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:01 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 11:55 AM)17Huskies Wrote:  "I don't think it can be overstated just how poor of a passer Maddie is."

Please provide your evidence...
His INT was a terrible decision...not really a terrible throw.

+1. Poor decisions doesn't mean poor passer. He has made some really nice throws, some on the move and some from the pocket, in the limited chances he has been given.

He has a weaker arm. In his two long passes against kent, was a 13 yard slant, but the deep pass was floated and it was just a great place by Brescasin that allowed it. he can throw those quick passes, but he doesn't have the deep ball.

I just watched the highlights for Kent State on Huskie all access. Maddie threw a perfect 30 yard pass to Brescacin down the sideline and he caught it in stride. And Brown dropped a perfect 20 yard pass over the middle from Maddie. Brown ended up running it in a few plays later for their first td. I don't remember the play you mention about Brescacin. I don't know why you and MD say he can only throw a slant pass.

If maddie is a dead on deep ball thrower, can hit the quick pass, and can run like the wind like this board says he can....why is he holding a clipboard?

Well we don't really know how well he can throw because he's thrown a grand total of 20 passes this year and half of those were last week.

(10-09-2014 12:33 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:30 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:05 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:01 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 11:55 AM)17Huskies Wrote:  "I don't think it can be overstated just how poor of a passer Maddie is."

Please provide your evidence...
His INT was a terrible decision...not really a terrible throw.

+1. Poor decisions doesn't mean poor passer. He has made some really nice throws, some on the move and some from the pocket, in the limited chances he has been given.

He has a weaker arm. In his two long passes against kent, was a 13 yard slant, but the deep pass was floated and it was just a great place by Brescasin that allowed it. he can throw those quick passes, but he doesn't have the deep ball.

I just watched the highlights for Kent State on Huskie all access. Maddie threw a perfect 30 yard pass to Brescacin down the sideline and he caught it in stride. And Brown dropped a perfect 20 yard pass over the middle from Maddie. Brown ended up running it in a few plays later for their first td. I don't remember the play you mention about Brescacin. I don't know why you and MD say he can only throw a slant pass.

If maddie is a dead on deep ball thrower, can hit the quick pass, and can run like the wind like this board says he can....why is he holding a clipboard?

I never said his deep ball is right on. But I looked at video and others have put video on this board that show he has made the throws that you and MD say he can't. I don't think his decision making is as good as Hare's with the read option, but he is more of a threat to break some big runs than Hare because of his speed. I do like Hare and he made plays in NU and UNLV games that helped us win the game, but if we are running an offense like we have with Harnish and Lynch, I think Maddie offers the best chance to score points in that offense. Coaches need to make a decision to either let Maddie (or McIntosh when he comes back) run the offense everyone is familiar with, or to get everyone on the same page with an offense that utilizes Hare's strengths.

(10-09-2014 12:45 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:33 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:30 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:05 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:01 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  +1. Poor decisions doesn't mean poor passer. He has made some really nice throws, some on the move and some from the pocket, in the limited chances he has been given.

He has a weaker arm. In his two long passes against kent, was a 13 yard slant, but the deep pass was floated and it was just a great place by Brescasin that allowed it. he can throw those quick passes, but he doesn't have the deep ball.

I just watched the highlights for Kent State on Huskie all access. Maddie threw a perfect 30 yard pass to Brescacin down the sideline and he caught it in stride. And Brown dropped a perfect 20 yard pass over the middle from Maddie. Brown ended up running it in a few plays later for their first td. I don't remember the play you mention about Brescacin. I don't know why you and MD say he can only throw a slant pass.

If maddie is a dead on deep ball thrower, can hit the quick pass, and can run like the wind like this board says he can....why is he holding a clipboard?

I never said his deep ball is right on. But I looked at video and others have put video on this board that show he has made the throws that you and MD say he can't. I don't think his decision making is as good as Hare's with the read option, but he is more of a threat to break some big runs than Hare because of his speed. I do like Hare and he made plays in NU and UNLV games that helped us win the game, but if we are running an offense like we have with Harnish and Lynch, I think Maddie offers the best chance to score points in that offense. Coaches need to make a decision to either let Maddie (or McIntosh when he comes back) run the offense everyone is familiar with, or to get everyone on the same page with an offense that utilizes Hare's strengths.

Exactly. Unless there is a playbook change, which is extremely unlikely, Hare is definitely not the guy.

(10-09-2014 12:45 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:33 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:30 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:05 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:01 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  +1. Poor decisions doesn't mean poor passer. He has made some really nice throws, some on the move and some from the pocket, in the limited chances he has been given.

He has a weaker arm. In his two long passes against kent, was a 13 yard slant, but the deep pass was floated and it was just a great place by Brescasin that allowed it. he can throw those quick passes, but he doesn't have the deep ball.

I just watched the highlights for Kent State on Huskie all access. Maddie threw a perfect 30 yard pass to Brescacin down the sideline and he caught it in stride. And Brown dropped a perfect 20 yard pass over the middle from Maddie. Brown ended up running it in a few plays later for their first td. I don't remember the play you mention about Brescacin. I don't know why you and MD say he can only throw a slant pass.

If maddie is a dead on deep ball thrower, can hit the quick pass, and can run like the wind like this board says he can....why is he holding a clipboard?

I never said his deep ball is right on. But I looked at video and others have put video on this board that show he has made the throws that you and MD say he can't. I don't think his decision making is as good as Hare's with the read option, but he is more of a threat to break some big runs than Hare because of his speed. I do like Hare and he made plays in NU and UNLV games that helped us win the game, but if we are running an offense like we have with Harnish and Lynch, I think Maddie offers the best chance to score points in that offense. Coaches need to make a decision to either let Maddie (or McIntosh when he comes back) run the offense everyone is familiar with, or to get everyone on the same page with an offense that utilizes Hare's strengths.

The coaching staff is not new to our offense. So either you and other folks are seeing something in Maddie that these coaches aren't, or Maddie is the worst practice quarterback we've ever had. You would think the coaches know what the game plan for the offense is and will pick the QB that best allows that plan to succeed. So either they don't have faith that Maddie can do that, or they are just giving the job to Hare because he's been in the system longer and are waiting for Maddie to pick everything up. I don't know the answer. But from what I can see, there is no way that you can say Maddie is a vast improvement over Hare or else this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

(10-09-2014 12:31 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  I honestly don't think we've seen enough of either guy to say definitively how well they pass. They've both flashed a bit and both underwhelmed. I was leaning Hare 'til last week then leaning Maddie 'til that atrocious pick. I know nothing.

Maybe my memory is cynical, but both are clearly better than Grady. He was so bad.

Yes, both are clearly better than Grady!

(10-09-2014 12:51 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:45 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:33 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:30 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:05 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  He has a weaker arm. In his two long passes against kent, was a 13 yard slant, but the deep pass was floated and it was just a great place by Brescasin that allowed it. he can throw those quick passes, but he doesn't have the deep ball.

I just watched the highlights for Kent State on Huskie all access. Maddie threw a perfect 30 yard pass to Brescacin down the sideline and he caught it in stride. And Brown dropped a perfect 20 yard pass over the middle from Maddie. Brown ended up running it in a few plays later for their first td. I don't remember the play you mention about Brescacin. I don't know why you and MD say he can only throw a slant pass.

If maddie is a dead on deep ball thrower, can hit the quick pass, and can run like the wind like this board says he can....why is he holding a clipboard?

I never said his deep ball is right on. But I looked at video and others have put video on this board that show he has made the throws that you and MD say he can't. I don't think his decision making is as good as Hare's with the read option, but he is more of a threat to break some big runs than Hare because of his speed. I do like Hare and he made plays in NU and UNLV games that helped us win the game, but if we are running an offense like we have with Harnish and Lynch, I think Maddie offers the best chance to score points in that offense. Coaches need to make a decision to either let Maddie (or McIntosh when he comes back) run the offense everyone is familiar with, or to get everyone on the same page with an offense that utilizes Hare's strengths.

The coaching staff is not new to our offense. So either you and other folks are seeing something in Maddie that these coaches aren't, or Maddie is the worst practice quarterback we've ever had. You would think the coaches know what the game plan for the offense is and will pick the QB that best allows that plan to succeed. So either they don't have faith that Maddie can do that, or they are just giving the job to Hare because he's been in the system longer and are waiting for Maddie to pick everything up. I don't know the answer. But from what I can see, there is no way that you can say Maddie is vast improvement over Hare or else this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

Or Hare has actually been a pretty decent QB this year? Hare's completing 61% of his passes, hasn't thrown a pick, and has been a decent runner.

It's not that Hare is bad, it's that they've had to throw out some of their best plays and formations because he's a big lumbering oaf with a slow delivery.

And this is where people ripping Carey is hilarious to me. There are some people on here whose opinons I really respect, and not all of them agree with me. Cawoo is probably the smartest football person on here, and he told me the other day he'd lean Maddie but he wasn't sure either way. It's not an easy call.

I am a full believer that if you have a mobile QB back there, this offense is a machine. I have seen enough from Maddie to think he's a capable enough passer to lean this team to points. Is he perfect? Hell no. Is there things Hare does better? Absolutely, but I think the offense would function best with his legs back there.

Hare: Better pure arm talent, better decision maker
Maddie: Throws a more accurate deepball, better legs, fits the offense better.

After last week, Maddie has to be better at the pooch kick also - a key consideration.

(10-09-2014 11:24 AM)cartershaw Wrote:  

(10-08-2014 09:05 AM)klake87 Wrote:  If Hare's passing does not improve dramatically, I would rather have Maddie running the show. We could go back to the spread and Let Maddie put pressure on defense to defend against him running. This could open up the passing game because they have to commit more defenders to the run. Right now, Hare scares no one running the ball

So Maddie puts pressure on the defense running the ball?

Hare(42car/207yds) and Maddie(28car/136yds) have the same average ypc 4.9. Sure Hare looks awkward doing it but the results are the same..

Huge difference is 8:0 and 0:1... TD:INT ratio...THROWING.... Hare has 8TDs and NO INTS.... Maddie has 0 TDs and 1 INT...

Either way Carey has to pick 1 qb and go with him the rest of the way..

Maddie runs on designed plays. Hare's longest runs have been when he has scrambled out of the pocket. NW game comes to mind when he ran for the 26 yards

(10-09-2014 12:58 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:51 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:45 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:33 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:30 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  I just watched the highlights for Kent State on Huskie all access. Maddie threw a perfect 30 yard pass to Brescacin down the sideline and he caught it in stride. And Brown dropped a perfect 20 yard pass over the middle from Maddie. Brown ended up running it in a few plays later for their first td. I don't remember the play you mention about Brescacin. I don't know why you and MD say he can only throw a slant pass.

If maddie is a dead on deep ball thrower, can hit the quick pass, and can run like the wind like this board says he can....why is he holding a clipboard?

I never said his deep ball is right on. But I looked at video and others have put video on this board that show he has made the throws that you and MD say he can't. I don't think his decision making is as good as Hare's with the read option, but he is more of a threat to break some big runs than Hare because of his speed. I do like Hare and he made plays in NU and UNLV games that helped us win the game, but if we are running an offense like we have with Harnish and Lynch, I think Maddie offers the best chance to score points in that offense. Coaches need to make a decision to either let Maddie (or McIntosh when he comes back) run the offense everyone is familiar with, or to get everyone on the same page with an offense that utilizes Hare's strengths.

The coaching staff is not new to our offense. So either you and other folks are seeing something in Maddie that these coaches aren't, or Maddie is the worst practice quarterback we've ever had. You would think the coaches know what the game plan for the offense is and will pick the QB that best allows that plan to succeed. So either they don't have faith that Maddie can do that, or they are just giving the job to Hare because he's been in the system longer and are waiting for Maddie to pick everything up. I don't know the answer. But from what I can see, there is no way that you can say Maddie is vast improvement over Hare or else this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

Or Hare has actually been a pretty decent QB this year? Hare's completing 61% of his passes, hasn't thrown a pick, and has been a decent runner.

It's not that Hare is bad, it's that they've had to throw out some of their best plays and formations because he's a big lumbering oaf with a slow delivery.

And this is where people ripping Carey is hilarious to me. There are some people on here whose opinons I really respect, and not all of them agree with me. Cawoo is probably the smartest football person on here, and he told me the other day he'd lean Maddie but he wasn't sure either way. It's not an easy call.

I am a full believer that if you have a mobile QB back there, this offense is a machine. I have seen enough from Maddie to think he's a capable enough passer to lean this team to points. Is he perfect? Hell no. Is there things Hare does better? Absolutely, but I think the offense would function best with his legs back there.

Hare: Better pure arm talent, better decision maker
Maddie: Throws a more accurate deepball, better legs, fits the offense better.

That may be true but only if the QB provides enough of a passing threat that the opponent can't stack the box. Harnish and Lynch were good enough passers.

I'd agree that we just don't know enough about Maddie's passing from the limited playing time in games. He did have a couple of nice throws downfield so he's capable, whether he's consistent enough IDK. Maybe that's what Carey is waiting for, for him to improve his consistency.