(10-07-2014 11:40 AM)7 Wrote: Hare played all but 1 series vs. UNLV. Stop being hyperbolic.
The only time Hare has really been pulled is when he couldn't score any points against Kent. Hare has been the unquestioned starter since Northwestern until he couldn't score a point vs. a piss poor Kent State defense.
If you want to play, don't suck. At any position.
He didn't play poorly vs Kent in the 1st quarter, and if you think Hare would have stayed in the game even if he went 10-10 with 2 TD's and 150 yards throwing , you are crazy. Carey is even saying it in clear terms, the plan is to play 2 QBs all the time.
(10-07-2014 11:14 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: NIU really has no one to blame for itself how this is turning out, the coaching mis-step was self-inflicted. The only way I see a way out of it and to save face is to make McIntosh your full time QB when he returns. What frustrates me is that Carey coined this a "QB competition" when in fact he planned to go with all 3 QBs from the start. It has been extremely damaging to the offense, and it has made the offense a weakness in a year where it should have been a strength. Judging by the media conference yesterday it sounds like the circus will continue vs CMU. Lets hope next year Carey evaluates players on talent and that maybe Root can grab the job, or at least a QB earns it by performance.
If NIU gets a better in the red zone, their offensive problems are pretty much solved. Carey is always going to dodge questions about strategy and injury and I don't blame him (there's no benefit to him and his team).
No QB has earned the job yet. I'd prefer him to pick one but I can understand why he hasn't stuck with one, as maddening as it is.
Frisky you are using the word "earned", there is no earning of anything going on, it doesn't matter how well or poorly the QBs play.
See, here's where you are digging yourself a hole. If Hare and Maddie are really that close, and Maddie has played well when given chances (and he has), wouldn't handing Hare or Maddie the job when they haven't "earned" it go against what you want?
You're posting so many ridiculous things you're talking yourself in circles. You can't say they need to name a guy to name a guy but at the same time want him to earn it.
I am not posting in circles, you are just so far in the man-crush stage to Maddie that you are not even listening to reason. Your post above is ridiculous 7, you say none of the QBs has earned the job, HOW COULD THEY AT THIS POINT, no one has been given a chance to succeed. In fact you could even argue Carey has made it extremely difficult for any of the QBs to succeed. Hare plays a great game @ NU and plays well vs UNLV --- yanked. Maddie has a great drive vs Kent --- yanked. This competition needed to be held in the SUMMER anyway, and even though it wasn't, Hare leading you to a win vs a solid Big 10 team should have been the end of it. Its just beyond frustrating.
Hare had a good half at Northwestern, not a good game. That first half was elephant dung.
(10-07-2014 11:40 AM)7 Wrote: Hare played all but 1 series vs. UNLV. Stop being hyperbolic.
The only time Hare has really been pulled is when he couldn't score any points against Kent. Hare has been the unquestioned starter since Northwestern until he couldn't score a point vs. a piss poor Kent State defense.
If you want to play, don't suck. At any position.
He didn't play poorly vs Kent in the 1st quarter, and if you think Hare would have stayed in the game even if he went 10-10 with 2 TD's and 150 yards throwing , you are crazy. Carey is even saying it in clear terms, the plan is to play 2 QBs all the time.
(10-07-2014 11:19 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote: If NIU gets a better in the red zone, their offensive problems are pretty much solved. Carey is always going to dodge questions about strategy and injury and I don't blame him (there's no benefit to him and his team).
No QB has earned the job yet. I'd prefer him to pick one but I can understand why he hasn't stuck with one, as maddening as it is.
Frisky you are using the word "earned", there is no earning of anything going on, it doesn't matter how well or poorly the QBs play.
See, here's where you are digging yourself a hole. If Hare and Maddie are really that close, and Maddie has played well when given chances (and he has), wouldn't handing Hare or Maddie the job when they haven't "earned" it go against what you want?
You're posting so many ridiculous things you're talking yourself in circles. You can't say they need to name a guy to name a guy but at the same time want him to earn it.
I am not posting in circles, you are just so far in the man-crush stage to Maddie that you are not even listening to reason. Your post above is ridiculous 7, you say none of the QBs has earned the job, HOW COULD THEY AT THIS POINT, no one has been given a chance to succeed. In fact you could even argue Carey has made it extremely difficult for any of the QBs to succeed. Hare plays a great game @ NU and plays well vs UNLV --- yanked. Maddie has a great drive vs Kent --- yanked. This competition needed to be held in the SUMMER anyway, and even though it wasn't, Hare leading you to a win vs a solid Big 10 team should have been the end of it. Its just beyond frustrating.
Hare had a good half at Northwestern, not a good game. That first half was elephant dung.
He didn't even have that great a half. He completed 6 passes. Now don't get me wrong, that throw to Da'Ron was a great throw, but this thought that he was shooting holes through Northwestern isn't factual.
(10-07-2014 11:40 AM)7 Wrote: Hare played all but 1 series vs. UNLV. Stop being hyperbolic.
The only time Hare has really been pulled is when he couldn't score any points against Kent. Hare has been the unquestioned starter since Northwestern until he couldn't score a point vs. a piss poor Kent State defense.
If you want to play, don't suck. At any position.
He didn't play poorly vs Kent in the 1st quarter, and if you think Hare would have stayed in the game even if he went 10-10 with 2 TD's and 150 yards throwing , you are crazy. Carey is even saying it in clear terms, the plan is to play 2 QBs all the time.
It's not "yanking" a QB if it's planned.
yep that's fine, but people have to stop using the words "competition" and "earning" because it is not that scenario.
(10-07-2014 11:40 AM)7 Wrote: Hare played all but 1 series vs. UNLV. Stop being hyperbolic.
The only time Hare has really been pulled is when he couldn't score any points against Kent. Hare has been the unquestioned starter since Northwestern until he couldn't score a point vs. a piss poor Kent State defense.
If you want to play, don't suck. At any position.
He didn't play poorly vs Kent in the 1st quarter, and if you think Hare would have stayed in the game even if he went 10-10 with 2 TD's and 150 yards throwing , you are crazy. Carey is even saying it in clear terms, the plan is to play 2 QBs all the time.
It's not "yanking" a QB if it's planned.
yep that's fine, but people have to stop using the words "competition" and "earning" because it is not that scenario.
For the love of God, man. So you think it's a coincidence the first time Maddie played more than 1 series is the game Hare couldn't put up points against Kent State? That's what you're trying to sell here?
I wonder how things would be different if Hare would have lost the fumble at NW (same basic play that he lost at Arkansas and was run back), but he got a lucky bounce...that game could have been entirely different and hence this discussion.
(10-07-2014 12:25 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote: Carey just said in his press conference: "My intentions are that Drew is the starter the rest of the year"
In other words, if Hare completes his passes and establishes consistency, the job is his. If he continues to struggle, Maddie will keep getting chances.
(10-07-2014 12:25 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote: Carey just said in his press conference: "My intentions are that Drew is the starter the rest of the year"
In other words, if Hare completes his passes and establishes consistency, the job is his. If he continues to struggle, Maddie will keep getting chances.
In other words, the first 2 series are Hare's, then Maddie, then Hare, then maddie, then hare, then maddie , then hare
(10-07-2014 12:25 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote: Carey just said in his press conference: "My intentions are that Drew is the starter the rest of the year"
In other words, if Hare completes his passes and establishes consistency, the job is his. If he continues to struggle, Maddie will keep getting chances.
In other words, the first 2 series are Hare's, then Maddie, then Hare, then maddie, then hare, then maddie , then hare
In other words, you're an idiot, but I don't need tell you that. Everyone here already knows it.
(10-07-2014 12:25 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote: Carey just said in his press conference: "My intentions are that Drew is the starter the rest of the year"
In other words, if Hare completes his passes and establishes consistency, the job is his. If he continues to struggle, Maddie will keep getting chances.
In other words, the first 2 series are Hare's, then Maddie, then Hare, then maddie, then hare, then maddie , then hare
Maddie hasn't played the third series literally all year haha.
If Hare's passing does not improve dramatically, I would rather have Maddie running the show. We could go back to the spread and Let Maddie put pressure on defense to defend against him running. This could open up the passing game because they have to commit more defenders to the run. Right now, Hare scares no one running the ball
(10-08-2014 09:05 AM)klake87 Wrote: If Hare's passing does not improve dramatically, I would rather have Maddie running the show. We could go back to the spread and Let Maddie put pressure on defense to defend against him running. This could open up the passing game because they have to commit more defenders to the run. Right now, Hare scares no one running the ball
At this point I'm not sure Maddie scares anyone running the ball either.
(10-08-2014 09:05 AM)klake87 Wrote: If Hare's passing does not improve dramatically, I would rather have Maddie running the show. We could go back to the spread and Let Maddie put pressure on defense to defend against him running. This could open up the passing game because they have to commit more defenders to the run. Right now, Hare scares no one running the ball
At this point I'm not sure Maddie scares anyone running the ball either.
(10-08-2014 09:05 AM)klake87 Wrote: If Hare's passing does not improve dramatically, I would rather have Maddie running the show. We could go back to the spread and Let Maddie put pressure on defense to defend against him running. This could open up the passing game because they have to commit more defenders to the run. Right now, Hare scares no one running the ball
So Maddie puts pressure on the defense running the ball?
Hare(42car/207yds) and Maddie(28car/136yds) have the same average ypc 4.9. Sure Hare looks awkward doing it but the results are the same..
Huge difference is 8:0 and 0:1... TD:INT ratio...THROWING.... Hare has 8TDs and NO INTS.... Maddie has 0 TDs and 1 INT...
Either way Carey has to pick 1 qb and go with him the rest of the way..
(10-08-2014 09:05 AM)klake87 Wrote: If Hare's passing does not improve dramatically, I would rather have Maddie running the show. We could go back to the spread and Let Maddie put pressure on defense to defend against him running. This could open up the passing game because they have to commit more defenders to the run. Right now, Hare scares no one running the ball
So Maddie puts pressure on the defense running the ball?
Hare(42car/207yds) and Maddie(28car/136yds) have the same average ypc 4.9. Sure Hare looks awkward doing it but the results are the same..
Huge difference is 8:0 and 0:1... TD:INT ratio...THROWING.... Hare has 8TDs and NO INTS.... Maddie has 0 TDs and 1 INT...
Either way Carey has to pick 1 qb and go with him the rest of the way..
Maddie was in for 3 series in 3 of those games (NU/UNLV/Ark) while Hare was in for just about 2 1/2 of those entire games.
(10-08-2014 09:05 AM)klake87 Wrote: If Hare's passing does not improve dramatically, I would rather have Maddie running the show. We could go back to the spread and Let Maddie put pressure on defense to defend against him running. This could open up the passing game because they have to commit more defenders to the run. Right now, Hare scares no one running the ball
So Maddie puts pressure on the defense running the ball?
Hare(42car/207yds) and Maddie(28car/136yds) have the same average ypc 4.9. Sure Hare looks awkward doing it but the results are the same..
Huge difference is 8:0 and 0:1... TD:INT ratio...THROWING.... Hare has 8TDs and NO INTS.... Maddie has 0 TDs and 1 INT...
Either way Carey has to pick 1 qb and go with him the rest of the way..
No he doesn't...
Turnovers are about the same since Hare had the fumble against Arkansas.
He also fumbled against NW...and who was it at QB in the UNLV game that messed up the hand-off which causes a fumble? I don't remember if it was Hare or Maddie?
