(10-10-2014 06:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 06:01 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN went with the football schools...go figure that one...

I know, "football drives the bus" so you guys did what you had to do, but as a Georgetown fan I sure wish some way could have been found to keep UConn and Syracuse in a basketball league with us. Losing those rivalries will always hurt for me.

Agreed. I just saw this: "One other nugget from #Pitt media day," Zeise tweeted, "Jamie Dixon said the Panthers are close to deals with Georgetown and UConn for future non-conf games."

At the very least, I'm pleased that there seems to be no ill will between the C7 and UCONN. Last year I heard that UCONN was talking with Georgetown and a few other old Big East foes about a series. I would love to see Georgetown, Nova, and Syracuse on our future schedules.

Now to go back on topic... Anyone heard any thing about the Big 12 actually unchaining the gates to the conference yet?

Agree, get the basketball to a basketball thread!

(10-06-2014 09:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The fact that the B12 likes things the way they are isn't going to stop the rest from trying to force us to conform to their idea of the perfect conference. There's also an added incentive for fans of schools hoping for a chance to improve their status. So those of us saying the B12 is fine like it is won't be taken seriously. We're not saying what everyone wants to hear.

“People can disagree with me, that’s OK, Castiglione said in a recent interview with SoonerScoop.com. I don’t think there’s any secret how our president David Boren and I felt about the University of Louisville. We were very supportive and even somewhat proactive at trying to build a case or a perspective for them as a member of the Big 12.... I absolutely did regret it. There is a piece of me that said that and I did say it, Castiglione said."

http://www.thecardinalconnect.com/2013/0...ouisville/

I am glad Texas took Strong and blocked us.

(10-10-2014 05:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:58 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  People love to bash the c7 but they never stopped BE expansion. Big east football teams who could not agree on which teams to invite, and who thought no team available was worth adding and would dilute their money (sound familiar) chose not to expand. Ironically UCF was the closest school to getting an invite. But it wasn't a non-football school who blocked them. I'll let you guess who it was...

There was also the 2010-2011 Villanova football fiasco, but IIRC that was everyone's fault, arguably moreso the football school's fault, for springing the "PPL Park is too small" surprise on Nova two days before their vote.

Actually I honestly think that was done because of the timing. At the time that plan was rejected, remember the Big 12 was falling apart at the seems, and it was possible Kansas, K State, Mizzou, and Iowa St were going to be homeless. And we know they were working to set up a backup plan to be in the Big East had that happened. I think at that point, because of that potential, it gave everyone who had previously approved of Villanova (and EVERYONE knew what their plan was going to be) a reason to reject it, to keep the current conference at eight so that they had room to pick up the four Big 12 teams if need be. They wanted to keep their options open, and Nova became a thorn in the plans at that point.

I have no evidence or even hearsay of this, it is just my guess. There is no other reason to reject a plan, you initially approved and knew was coming like that. That said, Nova should consider itself lucky. Otherwise they would have no longer been welcome in the BE during the split, and would have been in the AAC, which is doubtful as to where it wants to be.

Bump.

UCF, USF, ECU, and UCONN to the Big 12!!!

http://www.bcsnn.com/aac/777-cincinnati-...-rise.html

I think the rumors he's referring to are the ones he reads on here.

(10-13-2014 03:25 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I am glad Texas took Strong and blocked us.

Funny now that back then Charlie Strong and His staff were telling recruits" They were going to absolutely be in the Big12". Well Charlie didn't Lie !

(10-14-2014 11:56 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Bump.

UCF, USF, ECU, and UCONN to the Big 12!!!

http://www.bcsnn.com/aac/777-cincinnati-...-rise.html

I think he's fallen off his rocker. Not that UConn isn't a good program, it's that the Big 12 would be expanding in part to eliminate the WVU island. So they do so only to create and even greater distance for UConn. I doubt that would be the case.

I still think UConn is destined for the B1G.

(10-14-2014 11:56 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Bump.

UCF, USF, ECU, and UCONN to the Big 12!!!

http://www.bcsnn.com/aac/777-cincinnati-...-rise.html

What a stupid article. No team is going to lose a potential invite to the Big 12 because of a couple bad games, or even a bad season.

(10-13-2014 05:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 05:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:58 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  People love to bash the c7 but they never stopped BE expansion. Big east football teams who could not agree on which teams to invite, and who thought no team available was worth adding and would dilute their money (sound familiar) chose not to expand. Ironically UCF was the closest school to getting an invite. But it wasn't a non-football school who blocked them. I'll let you guess who it was...

There was also the 2010-2011 Villanova football fiasco, but IIRC that was everyone's fault, arguably moreso the football school's fault, for springing the "PPL Park is too small" surprise on Nova two days before their vote.

Actually I honestly think that was done because of the timing. At the time that plan was rejected, remember the Big 12 was falling apart at the seems, and it was possible Kansas, K State, Mizzou, and Iowa St were going to be homeless. And we know they were working to set up a backup plan to be in the Big East had that happened. I think at that point, because of that potential, it gave everyone who had previously approved of Villanova (and EVERYONE knew what their plan was going to be) a reason to reject it, to keep the current conference at eight so that they had room to pick up the four Big 12 teams if need be. They wanted to keep their options open, and Nova became a thorn in the plans at that point.

I have no evidence or even hearsay of this, it is just my guess. There is no other reason to reject a plan, you initially approved and knew was coming like that. That said, Nova should consider itself lucky. Otherwise they would have no longer been welcome in the BE during the split, and would have been in the AAC, which is doubtful as to where it wants to be.

Good point about the Big 12 situation. That almost surely played a role in what happened with Nova.

So if Villanova had upgraded, would the Wildcats be playing football in the AAC?

(10-15-2014 12:13 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  So if Villanova had upgraded, would the Wildcats be playing football in the AAC?

Doubt it. I don't think it does the league any good to have two members from Philadelphia, especially since both are perceived as basketball schools. Maybe the MAC would want them, but Villanova would only be interested in a football-only arrangement. Judging by how the MAC's only football-only member UMass is leaving the conference, that probably wouldn't fly either.

(10-05-2014 05:30 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 05:20 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 05:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 02:55 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 02:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This.

Without Texas and OU the Big12 is a G5 conference.

This is so incorrect you deserve three face palms.

Well, if you disagree then I know I'm right.

And the PAC 12 without USC and Oregon, and the ACC without FSU and Clemson

Look what is left:

West Virginia
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech

That is better than the ACC minus FSU and Clemson

How many times do you folks need to hear that the Big 12 needs to do nothing. Hell, it's the second best FB league top to bottom right now in my opinion.

Couple of thoughts to ponder:

- Everyone blames the LHN for driving teams away from the Big12 but forget that it ensured 8 teams P5 status.

- A strong Big12 further land locks the PAC 12

- Additions to the Big 12 could really help the LHN with games and carriage.

- An eastern division (like post #86, though I'd switch Iowa St and TCU) would just seem like OOC games to the old Big 12 members so no big deal

- The Big 12 could forgo the east and add teams that would partner with the Pac12 (MWC teams)

(10-15-2014 01:11 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  How many times do you folks need to hear that the Big 12 needs to do nothing. Hell, it's the second best FB league top to bottom right now in my opinion.

How many times do you need to hear that on-the-field success isn't what drives realignment? Just as, or even more important are demographics, television ratings, recruiting territories, etc. Baylor and TCU are great stories, but their success doesn't change the fact 8 out of 10 teams in the conference are in 3 states. Not sustainable long-term. Big 12 is being overpaid right now. In the next round of TV contracts, the Big 12 will be well behind the other P5 conferences in the pecking order.

(10-15-2014 01:11 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  How many times do you folks need to hear that the Big 12 needs to do nothing. Hell, it's the second best FB league top to bottom right now in my opinion.

More of a division than a Conference. Speaking of which, how much $ would the SEC West command if they broke away from the SEC?

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Sorry for the Edit but I really want to drive this point. If the SEC West added Tenn, Vandy, and uk, would it be worth more than the current BiG 12 $?

(10-15-2014 12:25 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 12:13 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  So if Villanova had upgraded, would the Wildcats be playing football in the AAC?

Doubt it. I don't think it does the league any good to have two members from Philadelphia, especially since both are perceived as basketball schools. Maybe the MAC would want them, but Villanova would only be interested in a football-only arrangement. Judging by how the MAC's only football-only member UMass is leaving the conference, that probably wouldn't fly either.

If that were the case, then Temple would have been the one not invited. Villanova would have already been a Big East/AAC football member in the vein of Navy. Even if they had not fully been upgraded yet, their spot would have been secured. Remember Temple and Memphis were added after Navy. UCF, Houston, and SMU. Thus if there was an issue, then Temple would be SOL. But likely both would have still been invited, and Tulsa, as the last team in, would not be here.