(10-02-2014 03:07 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  And what else is a Kansas guy going to discuss right now - on-field performance?

Actually, with Weis out and Bowen in, I expect an uptick in effort - but we still have limited talent with which to work, so I don't expect miracles.

Actually, I think you'll be far more competitive. Weis constantly had his team underprepared and there was a lack of accountability. I'm guessing you're rebuild will go fine.

(10-02-2014 03:03 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 01:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  OH RANDOM FLUCTUATIONS IN THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM!!!

The B12 has no desire to invite BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, East Carolina, Central Florida, and South Florida. FSU and Clemson, yes. But the schools being mentioned here, no.

Don't be so bitter Bit. Your team got an invite to the Big Boy's table. Don't begrudge anyone else for wanting the same.

Anyway, I did say it was for fun. Perhaps you missed that.

Who's bitter? Like you said, WVU is already in the B12.

I don't begrudge you guys for wanting the same. I've just never cared for the endless speculation, continual advertisements, and all the other associated things that come with realignment threads. That has been my stance on it since 2005, and nothing has changed. I've been burnt out on this subject for almost a decade now. It was why I quit coming into this forum for a long time. I only started coming back because actual sports were being discussed.

(10-02-2014 04:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 03:03 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 01:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  OH RANDOM FLUCTUATIONS IN THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM!!!

The B12 has no desire to invite BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, East Carolina, Central Florida, and South Florida. FSU and Clemson, yes. But the schools being mentioned here, no.

Don't be so bitter Bit. Your team got an invite to the Big Boy's table. Don't begrudge anyone else for wanting the same.

Anyway, I did say it was for fun. Perhaps you missed that.

Who's bitter? Like you said, WVU is already in the B12.

I don't begrudge you guys for wanting the same. I've just never cared for the endless speculation, continual advertisements, and all the other associated things that come with realignment threads. That has been my stance on it since 2005, and nothing has changed. I've been burnt out on this subject for almost a decade now. It was why I quit coming into this forum for a long time. I only started coming back because actual sports were being discussed.

Reread your own post. You'll see how it has a distinctly negative tone. This on a thread that was marked "Just for Giggles" in the OP. So yeah, push away form the PC, grab a beer and watch some Football. It'll all be over when it's over.

I don't think it is wise to press for a GOR renewal too early. It give schools at the top too much bargaining power.

(10-02-2014 02:08 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-01-2014 11:30 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Does West Virginia really cry about being on an island?
All they have to do is turn their head and look at what became of the Big East and realize it should be happy and not complain.

The island / geography talk is ridiculous. TV markets are the driving force behind expansion.

Big12 will only add 2 teams to make it to 12 again.

U_F + Cincy = highest accessible tv markets. UCF/USF will have to battle it out again for the 1 expansion spot again. Neither will complain about the island its being put on because the alternative of staying in the American pales in comparison. USF should be used to it after being the Big East island for so long. UCF wouldn't care because for the first time it would be a member of the big boy table.

Nope, I haven't heard a peep from our people about it since the first season. There were some issues with basketball in the first year but those got corrected.

I've never even heard one of our fans complain about not being able to attend road games. With all the regional OOC games we have scheduled I think our fans are pretty content.

I wouldn't rule out Memphis. Memphis and Cincinnati would fit better with West Virginia. Both add more than football to the conference image.

(10-03-2014 02:36 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  I wouldn't rule out Memphis. Memphis and Cincinnati would fit better with West Virginia. Both add more than football to the conference image.

Urm yeah. That's why they were included in my expansion plan.

All things being equal, I think the Big 12 needs to expand to maintain their place at the table and these 6 teams give them incredible recruiting grounds, expands their footprint and more then doubles their viewership. It's a serious win for the Big 12 if they were to go this route.

Add: Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU, Tulane, USF and UCF.

(10-05-2014 04:44 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 02:36 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  I wouldn't rule out Memphis. Memphis and Cincinnati would fit better with West Virginia. Both add more than football to the conference image.

Urm yeah. That's why they were included in my expansion plan.

All things being equal, I think the Big 12 needs to expand to maintain their place at the table and these 6 teams give them incredible recruiting grounds, expands their footprint and more then doubles their viewership. It's a serious win for the Big 12 if they were to go this route.

Add: Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU, Tulane, USF and UCF.

It would be a "serious win" for the schools that are being added, but for the current Big 12 teams? It would be a huge setback, a massive reduction in their payout per school, and as Bit said, it would cause Texas and Oklahoma to think about greener pastures.

Here's the thing: the Big 12's status as a Power conference depends on Texas and Oklahoma. As long as they are in the fold, everything is cool. They are the anchors Bit referred to. So if I am a leader at any other Big 12 school, my job is to keep Texas and Oklahoma in the fold so that my school doesn't end up in a rump, no Texas/no Oklahoma "Big 12" conference, a conference that would lose Power status and the huge TV deals.

But adding those new schools would do just the opposite, because of the money issue. If the Big 12 did this, Texas and Oklahoma leave, and then WVU would find itself back in a G5 conference with USF and Cincy, just like in the "old days", LOL.

Remember, Oklahoma and Texas have far less of an interest in Big 12 'stability' because even if the Big 12 gets picked apart by other P5 or collapses internally, they will always be just fine. Ten minutes after the collapse of the Big 12, both schools would get calls from ALL the other P5 conferences inviting them to join.

It's the other Big 12 schools that are invested in its stability, and they know that means keeping OU and Texas happy.

(10-05-2014 08:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the Big 12 did this, Texas and Oklahoma probably leave, and then WVU would find itself back in a G5 conference with USF and Cincy, just like in the "old days", LOL.

That's a pretty harsh statement given the play of TCU and Baylor.

If Texas and Oklahoma leave, the Big 12 will reload, and, if done carefully, will not be G5. Kansas State and Oklahoma State looking good too.

The B12 has no reason to add right now. They are fine where they are. As you get near the end of TV deal maybe it makes sense.

(10-05-2014 08:56 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 08:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the Big 12 did this, Texas and Oklahoma probably leave, and then WVU would find itself back in a G5 conference with USF and Cincy, just like in the "old days", LOL.

That's a pretty harsh statement given the play of TCU and Baylor.

If Texas and Oklahoma leave, the Big 12 will reload, and, if done carefully, will not be G5. Kansas State and Oklahoma State looking good too.

Remember, the in-the-moment play of a school means next to nothing in terms of Power status. E.g., TCU beat Oklahoma and Baylor beat Texas yesterday but that doesn't change the fact that TCU and Baylor have mediocre brand appeal while Texas and Oklahoma are both top-10 football brands.

If Texas and Oklahoma left, the leftovers, and anyone they could possibly add, would not have anything close to the brand-appeal needed to keep Power status.

(10-05-2014 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 08:56 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 08:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the Big 12 did this, Texas and Oklahoma probably leave, and then WVU would find itself back in a G5 conference with USF and Cincy, just like in the "old days", LOL.

That's a pretty harsh statement given the play of TCU and Baylor.

If Texas and Oklahoma leave, the Big 12 will reload, and, if done carefully, will not be G5. Kansas State and Oklahoma State looking good too.

Remember, the in-the-moment play of a school means next to nothing in terms of Power status. E.g., TCU beat Oklahoma and Baylor beat Texas yesterday but that doesn't change the fact that TCU and Baylor have mediocre brand appeal while Texas and Oklahoma are both top-10 football brands.

If Texas and Oklahoma left, the leftovers, and anyone they could possibly add, would not have anything close to the brand-appeal needed to keep Power status.

If only OU and Texas left, the Big 12 could add Cincinnati and BYU and be fine. No not the pedigree of OU and Texas but still enough to maintain P-5 status.

(10-05-2014 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 08:56 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 08:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the Big 12 did this, Texas and Oklahoma probably leave, and then WVU would find itself back in a G5 conference with USF and Cincy, just like in the "old days", LOL.

That's a pretty harsh statement given the play of TCU and Baylor.

If Texas and Oklahoma leave, the Big 12 will reload, and, if done carefully, will not be G5. Kansas State and Oklahoma State looking good too.

Remember, the in-the-moment play of a school means next to nothing in terms of Power status. E.g., TCU beat Oklahoma and Baylor beat Texas yesterday but that doesn't change the fact that TCU and Baylor have mediocre brand appeal while Texas and Oklahoma are both top-10 football brands.

If Texas and Oklahoma left, the leftovers, and anyone they could possibly add, would not have anything close to the brand-appeal needed to keep Power status.

This.

Without Texas and OU the Big12 is a G5 conference.

(10-05-2014 02:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This.

Without Texas and OU the Big12 is a G5 conference.

This is so incorrect you deserve three face palms.

If those two leave, then the B12 officially becomes the BE circa 2005-2011.

(10-05-2014 03:29 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If those two leave, then the B12 officially becomes the BE circa 2005-2011.

That problem has been recognized, which is why Oliver Luck wants to expand.

(10-05-2014 02:31 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 08:56 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 08:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the Big 12 did this, Texas and Oklahoma probably leave, and then WVU would find itself back in a G5 conference with USF and Cincy, just like in the "old days", LOL.

That's a pretty harsh statement given the play of TCU and Baylor.

If Texas and Oklahoma leave, the Big 12 will reload, and, if done carefully, will not be G5. Kansas State and Oklahoma State looking good too.

Remember, the in-the-moment play of a school means next to nothing in terms of Power status. E.g., TCU beat Oklahoma and Baylor beat Texas yesterday but that doesn't change the fact that TCU and Baylor have mediocre brand appeal while Texas and Oklahoma are both top-10 football brands.

If Texas and Oklahoma left, the leftovers, and anyone they could possibly add, would not have anything close to the brand-appeal needed to keep Power status.

If only OU and Texas left, the Big 12 could add Cincinnati and BYU and be fine. No not the pedigree of OU and Texas but still enough to maintain P-5 status.

You seriously think that the SEC, with Alabama, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, etc... would be willing to split CFP money EQUALLY with a conference consisting of Cincy, BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State?

Not in this universe.

(10-05-2014 03:49 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 03:29 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If those two leave, then the B12 officially becomes the BE circa 2005-2011.

That problem has been recognized, which is why Oliver Luck wants to expand.

The problem with that solution is that for it to work, the replacements for Texas and OU have to be roughly equivalent. Merely adding warm low-brand bodies so that the Big 12 would still have 10 schools if OU and Texas left doesn't do that.

And there's nobody out there that the Big 12 could add with anything remotely like OU/Texas brand appeal.

That would be the true test of "are they still a power conference"

The Big East had a spot in the BCS but not a permanent game tie in because none of the BCS Bowls wanted the BE champ every year.

It's highly likely that the Sugar Bowl would dump that Big 12 and either they could convince the Cotton Bowl to offer them a contract for their champ (possible given that the new B12 would still be TX heavy) or they'd have to compete with the G5 conferences for the rotating spot.

(10-05-2014 02:55 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 02:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This.

Without Texas and OU the Big12 is a G5 conference.

This is so incorrect you deserve three face palms.

Well, if you disagree then I know I'm right.

If the Big East had split from the basketball schools and developed its product, it would still be around in this form:

Connecticut
Syracuse
Rutgers
Temple
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida

But it didn't! Also, the bolded teams would made it a hell of a basketball conference as well/