(11-02-2015 04:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 01:02 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 12:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 08:33 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-01-2015 10:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The results from your fan base and donors was very much different, as was the inquiry from your school back in 2011-2.

Carolina is the 9th-13th largest research University (depending on which rating being used) in the country, Dook ranks somewhere between #4 and #8).
Our biggest donors are not folks that contribute to the Athletic Department, but those that support the University as a whole. Now some of our fans are delusional, the vocal ones are young and naive. The fans that are also donors are a pretty realistic bunch and can understand economics. While the SEC may look flashy, it gives us very little opportunity for success. BTW if you recall the article on MR. SEC where it said that the SEC would be willing to take NC State to get Carolina.....guess what, the B1G would too.
If Carolina has to move, it will be to join our Academic peers with enough of our friends to be comfortable.

We'll see. Personally I just see it as pressure to get N.D. all in.

Now that's an interesting idea. ESPN offers X dollars extra until the network is stood up and Y dollars on top of that after the network is up and running. They also add a caveat that if ND is all in, the interim bump is much larger, as is the dollars after the network. They could even add in Cincy as the 16th to close the footprint, solidify the incursion into the Midwest and further screw the Big 12-4+2.

Exactly. With Cincy off the market the Big 12 is left with a contingent B.Y.U. and a duplicated footprint add with Houston, which by the way would severely tick off Oklahoma. We really still are in a situation where all the ACC has to do is outlast the Big 12. That gives ESPN much more leverage on the current Big 12 properties.

The downside here is that your fate could be in the hands of the most selfish program in the U.S., N.D..

But if they say yes then you place Texas virtually in a must take action situation because OU would go ballistic.

ND knows that it could make more TV money by joining a conference, but decides that is not what it, as a school, wants to do.

That is selfish? To knowingly make a decision that nets it less TV money?

Notre Dame in their present situation is a real asset for the ACC.
The Irish need the ACC to survive and thrive to give the Irish a home and the ACC needs Notre Dame for added credibility and new markets.
Until things are truly settled down, I really don't foresee the ND situation to change (if then).

(12-16-2015 03:51 PM)XLance Wrote:  Realistically, ESPN would do everything possible to prevent the core of the ACC from moving to the B1G unless they had looooong term broadcast rights at low, locked in rates (and for more that just tier 1 rights, too).
And even then it does not seem prudent to give away the southern football market, or the strong southeastern basketball market.
In fact if you really analyze the situation, ESPN wouldn't let the ACC go period. The fact of the matter is that ESPN can get much more year 'round content from the ACC that they can get from the SEC.

The problem for the ACC is that in killing off the BEast it inherited all of the former conferences problems.

(01-14-2016 08:44 AM)XLance Wrote:  Notre Dame in their present situation is a real asset for the ACC.
The Irish need the ACC to survive and thrive to give the Irish a home and the ACC needs Notre Dame for added credibility and new markets.
Until things are truly settled down, I really don't foresee the ND situation to change (if then).

You seem to have changed your opinion from a few years ago, Lance.

Some interesting options to think about at 2:

Virginia Tech & N.C. State (the standard thought),

N.C. State and Duke (a solid way into North Carolina without the Heels but I don't think Duke ever separates from UNC)

Virginia Tech & North Carolina (the optimum choices for those two states),

Clemson & Florida State (the two most SEC like and content multipliers),

Virginia Tech & Miami (the Canes give the SEC a presence in South Florida),

The Best way into the ACC is by taking 4:

Virginia Tech, N.C. State, Florida State, & Clemson (adds two new states and locks down the Southeast),

Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech (an academic grab of Southern AAU schools but the best way to keep the Big 10 out of the South)

How about this?

Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech, and Louisville

New markets, more regional rivalries, good academics, and most schools won't have to play OOC games to have their rivals on the schedule.

(03-05-2016 08:51 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  How about this?

Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech, and Louisville

New markets, more regional rivalries, good academics, and most schools won't have to play OOC games to have their rivals on the schedule.

That's okay if we ever move to 20. But we only move to 20 if both the Big 12 and ACC implode and that is not likely. Now if only the Big 12 implodes we get two. If the ACC implodes it's likely 4 IMO. However if we were able to nibble and take just one from each they could back fill and survive as long as North Carolina stays with the ACC and Texas stays with the Big 12. But if we nibble it will be from the Big 12 in 2022 and from the ACC two to three years later, unless a network makes it happen.

(03-05-2016 08:50 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Some interesting options to think about at 2:

Virginia Tech & N.C. State (the standard thought),

N.C. State and Duke (a solid way into North Carolina without the Heels but I don't think Duke ever separates from UNC)

Virginia Tech & North Carolina (the optimum choices for those two states),

Clemson & Florida State (the two most SEC like and content multipliers),

Virginia Tech & Miami (the Canes give the SEC a presence in South Florida),

The Best way into the ACC is by taking 4:

Virginia Tech, N.C. State, Florida State, & Clemson (adds two new states and locks down the Southeast),

Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech (an academic grab of Southern AAU schools but the best way to keep the Big 10 out of the South)

The fact that you call VT and UNC the optimum choices is fascinating to me. I tend to agree with it. Is VT and UNC optimum for the Big 10? If not, an even split VT/UNC to the SEC and Virginia/Duke to the Big 10 makes alot of sense to me, though it does split UNC/Duke.

Big 10: Virginia, Duke, GT, and Kansas (Purdue moves west)
SEC: UNC, VT, FSU, and OK (Missouri moves west)
ACC 8+ Big 12 8 form a conference
PAC could eventually go for G5 schools like Houston/SMU/UNLV/New Mexico/Hawaii, or hold pat at 12, or make one more attempt for Texas/Tech + friends.

ACC would then backfill with UConn, Cincy, et. al.

Interesting tidbit about the negotiations for starting the ACC Network:

“I think the one reason why it has been kind of pushed back a little bit, and I think you guys have heard this before is the distribution channels and the ability for ESPN to get on the Comcast, the Time Warner and the DirecTV. Those are really done during their contract negotiation periods or renewals with those cable providers and those start to happen in 2018, ‘19 and ‘20.

So if the B12 GOR ends in the early 2020's, then everyone will know by then if the ACC will be a hunter or the hunted.


http://theclemsoninsider.com/2016/04/28/...-up-steam/

I really am with JR on this; give me Clemson and Florida State.

(04-29-2016 05:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I really am with JR on this; give me Clemson and Florida State.

You really can't go wrong with that.

If we were taking schools from the ACC then I would strongly advocate 20 because there are so many good products to be had.

Florida State, Clemson...obviously.

Theoretically, you could take one VA school and one NC school without having to take partners. Then perhaps you take Louisville and Georgia Tech to solidify the region.

Or...

You could construct a ACC/Big 12 conglomeration that pairs excellently with the SEC.

SEC adds Virginia, North Carolina, NC State, and Duke

The B1G maybe takes Virginia Tech, Kansas, Syracuse, and UConn

Meanwhile, the football powers of the Big 12 and ACC unite together...

West: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Iowa State
East: Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Cincinnati

I'll take anybody but Texas.

Not going to happen!

(04-30-2016 11:57 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Not going to happen!

Oh something is going to happen alright, just not likely that it is in the ACC, and not likely it will happen for a few more years (unless some things I've been hearing about Big 12 rights sales are afoot and I don't mean the garbage coming out of the Hills).

(01-14-2016 08:44 AM)XLance Wrote:  Notre Dame in their present situation is a real asset for the ACC.
The Irish need the ACC to survive and thrive to give the Irish a home and the ACC needs Notre Dame for added credibility and new markets.
Until things are truly settled down, I really don't foresee the ND situation to change (if then).

Not really. If the ACC implodes, Notre Dame could rejoin the basketball schools of the Big East with all of their Olympic sports. Their football program would now have five free games a year to schedule any way they want. I'm sure NBC would be happy with that.

i don't think SEC should be allowed to take any more power programs, there needs to be some balance b/t conferences. if they get FSU and Clemson, you probably see 4 SEC teams in playoffs most every year and it is gong to kill interest in the sports in other areas of the country.

As a Clemson grad, I like being in the ACC. We don't have any major rivals in the SEC other than SC who we already play.

(05-05-2016 05:57 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  i don't think SEC should be allowed to take any more power programs, there needs to be some balance b/t conferences. if they get FSU and Clemson, you probably see 4 SEC teams in playoffs most every year and it is gong to kill interest in the sports in other areas of the country.

As a Clemson grad, I like being in the ACC. We don't have any major rivals in the SEC other than SC who we already play.

Well that would make you about 30 something or younger. Clemson has played Auburn about 60 times or so (actually 49 as I looked it up) and has played the Dawgs a bunch as well.

And, ClemVegas, as they said in the meeting of the 5 families, "and after all we are not Communists!" No conference is going to make additions that don't bring value, and when you have the present value of the SEC that raises the stakes you who you want and who you are willing to take.

But don't worry. It probably won't be Clemson or F.S.U. since it looks like the lid is about to blow off of the Big 12.

But welcome to this board and feel free to visit and comment as often as you like. We might not agree but we promise civility!

UGA is a good out of conference game for Clemson but I think you have to play ever year for a long time to be a rivalry. I believe most of Clemson's games with Auburn were decades ago when CU was a small miltary college , which is why the series is so lopsided.

If Clemson beats Auburn next two years, I cn see it becoming a serios rivalry. That would make 4 in a row For Clemson and teams don't beat Auburn 4 in a row often.

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Well in light of the most recent economic data, and due to the growing disparity between the total revenue of the ACC and SEC (approaching 43 million per school on average) and that between the ACC and Big 10 (approaching 27 million per school on average), I thought maybe it might be fun during the slow times to resurrect this thread.

For those new to the thread refer to the following data when making posts so that the information we are working with is current:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-852566.html