No way China would hitch their wagon to Obama’s Loser Express.

Russia has said China is largely “in agreement” over Ukraine, after other world powers condemned Moscow for sending troops into the country.

Hundreds of Russian soldiers have surrounded a military base in Crimea, preventing Ukrainian soldiers from going in or out.

The convoy blockading the site, near the Crimean capital Simferopol, includes at least 17 military vehicles.

Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov discussed Ukraine by telephone with his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi, on Monday, and claimed they had “broadly coinciding points of view” on the situation there, according to a ministry statement.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said: “China has always upheld the principles of diplomacy and the fundamental norms of international relations.

“At the same time we also take into consideration the history and the current complexities of the Ukrainian issue.” As the tense stand-off continues, the other seven nations of the G8 urged Moscow to hold talks with Kiev.

http://news.sky.com/story/1219922/russia...er-ukraine

China has a little piece of property they want too.

And this is surprising how? But China wants this to get nasty so the US is focused on Europe.

(03-03-2014 01:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And this is surprising how? But China wants this to get nasty so the US is focused on Europe.

Why?

The downgrade president is going to get hit with another downgrade. Quick, call out the IRS to intimidate.

It must suck knowing you've gone from the top power to the whipping boy. Only in America people hated Bush, but atleast the world feared him. Obama gets chuckled at.

They probably did this in retribution for Obama thumbing his nose at the Chinese not wanting him to see the Dalai Lama.

Russia is on a massive propaganda campaign right now...to the point that they have people and bots posting on American news sites and automatically upvoting their comments to the top.

I wouldn't trust ANYTHING that starts with "Russia has said"

(03-03-2014 02:10 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Russia is on a massive propaganda campaign right now...to the point that they have people and bots posting on American news sites and automatically upvoting their comments to the top.

I wouldn't trust ANYTHING that starts with "Russia has said"

Sadly, it carries about as much weight as "Obama has said".

(03-03-2014 02:10 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Russia is on a massive propaganda campaign right now...to the point that they have people and bots posting on American news sites and automatically upvoting their comments to the top.

I wouldn't trust ANYTHING that starts with "Russia has said"

I'd trust that because they've been working together for some time. It isn't that China thinks this is somehow a good thing, but Russia is their teammate, so they are largely okay with it. Anyway, what are we going to do about it. They can stop buying our debt.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if France starts to get a bit wishy washy too if this goes on for too long.

good God, we're getting dissed like the fat girl in the whorehouse lineup.

From The Telegraph (UK):

Quote: The Obama administration has said that any Russian threat to Ukraine's navy would be a "dangerous escalation" of an extremely tense situation and it would hold Moscow directly accountable for such an escalation.
The reaction comes hot on the heels of a reported statement earlier today from a Ukrainian military spokesman, who apparently said that Russia had issued an ultimatum to the crews of two Ukrainian warships in Crimea, demanding that they immediately surrender or be stormed and seized.

I bet Putin is scared that he will be "held accountable" for "escalating" things. What does that even mean?

(03-03-2014 02:18 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 02:10 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Russia is on a massive propaganda campaign right now...to the point that they have people and bots posting on American news sites and automatically upvoting their comments to the top.

I wouldn't trust ANYTHING that starts with "Russia has said"

I'd trust that because they've been working together for some time. It isn't that China thinks this is somehow a good thing, but Russia is their teammate, so they are largely okay with it. Anyway, what are we going to do about it. They can stop buying our debt.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if France starts to get a bit wishy washy too if this goes on for too long.

China and Russia aren't friends. In fact, Russia has long been worried that China would try to reclaim some of the land in the far east that Russia took from them a long time ago. It is rich in natural resources that China does not have, but needs.

Chinese citizens just across the border outnumber Russian citizens in that part of the country nearly 20:1. If there is any instability in Western Russia, China may look at that as an opportunity to reclaim what was once their's and strengthen their national security by securing much needed natural resources.

Russia has had plans drawn up for years for such an event because they knew as China's power and influence grew, their quest for land and natural resources would grow as well.

China's economy depends on the U.S. and western nations. We are their biggest customers. Siding with Russia would be a detrimental blow to their economy. In China, money will ultimately win out.

(03-03-2014 02:27 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  From The Telegraph (UK):

Quote: The Obama administration has said that any Russian threat to Ukraine's navy would be a "dangerous escalation" of an extremely tense situation and it would hold Moscow directly accountable for such an escalation.
The reaction comes hot on the heels of a reported statement earlier today from a Ukrainian military spokesman, who apparently said that Russia had issued an ultimatum to the crews of two Ukrainian warships in Crimea, demanding that they immediately surrender or be stormed and seized.

I bet Putin is scared that he will be "held accountable" for "escalating" things. What does that even mean?

two angry letters.

(03-03-2014 02:27 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 02:18 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 02:10 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Russia is on a massive propaganda campaign right now...to the point that they have people and bots posting on American news sites and automatically upvoting their comments to the top.

I wouldn't trust ANYTHING that starts with "Russia has said"

I'd trust that because they've been working together for some time. It isn't that China thinks this is somehow a good thing, but Russia is their teammate, so they are largely okay with it. Anyway, what are we going to do about it. They can stop buying our debt.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if France starts to get a bit wishy washy too if this goes on for too long.

China and Russia aren't friends. In fact, Russia has long been worried that China would try to reclaim some of the land in the far east that Russia took from them a long time ago. It is rich in natural resources that China does not have, but needs.

Chinese citizens just across the border outnumber Russian citizens in that part of the country nearly 20:1. If there is any instability in Western Russia, China may look at that as an opportunity to reclaim what was once their's and strengthen their national security by securing much needed natural resources.

Russia has had plans drawn up for years for such an event because they knew as China's power and influence grew, their quest for land and natural resources would grow as well.

China's economy depends on the U.S. and western nations. We are their biggest customers. Siding with Russia would be a detrimental blow to their economy. In China, money will ultimately win out.

I love living in the west too, but you can't see things with rose colored glasses. China and Russia have differences, but they put those aside when it come to dealing with the US. Our economy and the rest of the western europe's depend on China's cheap manufacturing costs. They make everything we NEED and WANT. They control the natural resources for our valuable electronics, and, they hold our debt, which they could stop buying or just sell and cause us problems. If we really had any leverage on the Chinese economy, we would have used it long ago to stop much of their unfair trade practices. China knows it does a bunch of business with the west and they don't care about Ukraine, which is why they are "mostly" okay with what Russia is doing. But, make no mistake, when it comes to supporting Russia or the US, they are on Russia's side.

(03-03-2014 02:30 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 02:27 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  From The Telegraph (UK):

Quote: The Obama administration has said that any Russian threat to Ukraine's navy would be a "dangerous escalation" of an extremely tense situation and it would hold Moscow directly accountable for such an escalation.
The reaction comes hot on the heels of a reported statement earlier today from a Ukrainian military spokesman, who apparently said that Russia had issued an ultimatum to the crews of two Ukrainian warships in Crimea, demanding that they immediately surrender or be stormed and seized.

I bet Putin is scared that he will be "held accountable" for "escalating" things. What does that even mean?

two angry letters.

I bet Obama has the IRS office in Moscow on Putin's ass right about now.

(03-03-2014 01:45 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 01:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And this is surprising how? But China wants this to get nasty so the US is focused on Europe.

Why?

Obama has said that Russia isn't a problem anymore so he instituted his "pivot to Asia" policy. China more than likely wants the US to refocus on Europe.

(03-03-2014 02:40 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 01:45 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 01:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And this is surprising how? But China wants this to get nasty so the US is focused on Europe.

Why?

Obama has said that Russia isn't a problem anymore so he instituted his "pivot to Asia" policy. China more than likely wants the US to refocus on Europe.

Its not that Russia isn't a problem, but as George Bush found out, trying to help Europe versus Russia when Europe won't even help themselves isn't a valuable use of US influence.

(03-03-2014 02:23 PM)EagleX Wrote:  good God, we're getting dissed like the fat girl in the whorehouse lineup.

But they cost the least..