Sir Galahad Wrote:

Quote:Thank you for proving our point. I would however enjoy reading your explanation on how UCF having BCS status would harm the SEZ and ACC more than the Big East. This should be interesting.....
CJ

Easy Jim,
UCF competes with big east teams now, very evident and wait until the stadium is done and it will get even better, but UCF does not compete with SEC or ACC Schools very well. Put a BCS tag on UCF and that changes.

USF doesn't compete with SEC and ACC schools very well and it has the BCS label. If UCF got that label, it wouldn't either.

By his same logic i could say USF does compete with ACC and SEC etc
Here are a few 2006 commits to USF that had offers to BCS teams from those leagues.
Glover- Ole Miss,Vandy and Illinois (visited + offer))
McQueen Clemsom, NCST (visited+ offer)
Mitchell- Iowa,Iowa St,Maryland, Minnesota
Sherman- Illinois (visit and offer)
Joseph Arizona State ( visit and offer)

Hummell Wrote:So we can safely say that adding USF to the Big East has done nothing for recruiting, right?

No, but you guys just chose to ignore the data.

Here are the numbers I provided for you from the Rivals database for 2006. The following are the numbers of players from Florida who signed to play for BCS programs outside of the state of Florida:

ACC - 30
Big East - 33
SEC - 31
Big 10 - 18
Big XII - 10
Pac 10 - 1

The key here is that the three conferences that have a conference member in the state managed to sign >75% of all of the recruits who went to BCS schools from the state of Florida.

Breaking down the Big East's Florida recruiting further, I also pointed out that roughly half of those recruits were 3 star or 4 star recruits according to Rivals, and that > 1/5 of all of the recruits for Big East schools were from Florida.

You and Mr. Jolly continued to disregard these facts, so I stopped debating you. However, now you've taken it off of the smack board, so here's one more missive. The latest attempt to discredit this was to say that none of these Florida recruits were any good. So I went and looked at the list of Rivals' ranking of the top 100 recruits from the state of Florida last year. 53 out of those 100 recruits signed to play for BCS teams out of the state of Florida. The out of state Big East schools signed 8 out of those 53 kids. That's hardly "filling the rosters with 1 and 2 star players."

I further pointed out that Florida is head and shoulders more talent-laden than North and South Carolina combined and I have no interest in rehashing the argument again. Anybody interested can go and read the whole thread on the smack board. This is the last time I'll respond on either board, but I wasn't going to let you go unchallenged here.

USFFan

According to Rivals top 100 Florida players in 2006
USF got SIX; 20,62,64,78,81,98
Louisville got FIVE;42,44,61,72,92
West Virginia got ONE; 73
Rutgers got ONE; 69
Pitt got ONE;80

UCF got TWO,74,93

Hey USFan and Cuban, those were some really good and enlightening stats. Thanks for doing the reseasrch. Lets now see how it gets spinned around.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...I didn't say that you didn't get any of them. The question was (FOLLOW ALONG CLOSELY):

HAS THE NUMBER OF RECRUITS OUT OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA INCREASED, DECREASED, OR REMAINED FLAT SINCE ADDING USF?

Sir Galahad Wrote:

Quote:Thank you for proving our point. I would however enjoy reading your explanation on how UCF having BCS status would harm the SEZ and ACC more than the Big East. This should be interesting.....
CJ

Easy Jim,
UCF competes with big east teams now, very evident and wait until the stadium is done and it will get even better, but UCF does not compete with SEC or ACC Schools very well. Put a BCS tag on UCF and that changes.

UC has gotten a number of kids who got offers from the Big Ten and ACC, doesn't mean they compete against those schools.

You do realize that the Big East had Miami before USF so they have retained a Florida presence.
If you look at the Florida top 100 list you can say that it has remained the same. If you look at the eight Big East teams
In 2003 they had 13 top 100 Florida kids
In 2005 they had 12
In 2006 they had 14

Cubanbull Wrote:You do realize that the Big East had Miami before USF so they have retained a Florida presence.
If you look at the Florida top 100 list you can say that it has remained the same. If you look at the eight Big East teams
In 2003 they had 13 top 100 Florida kids
In 2005 they had 12
In 2006 they had 14

Nice job posting the stats, but those same 2006 stats you posted show that while BE teams got quite a few top 100 players, they got virtually none of the cream of the crop - no top 10 players, and just one top 40 player.

Cubanbull Wrote:According to Rivals top 100 Florida players in 2006
USF got SIX; 20,62,64,78,81,98
Louisville got FIVE;42,44,61,72,92
West Virginia got ONE; 73
Rutgers got ONE; 69
Pitt got ONE;80

UCF got TWO,74,93

How many of the Six qualified? I think Hummell is trying to say that picking S. Fla did nothing for the Big East and don't pick UCF in the future....read between the lines. My point is that we have so much talent in Florida that it doesn't matter either way. You try to get the best talent that you can out of Florida.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:My point is that we have so much talent in Florida that it doesn't matter either way. You try to get the best talent that you can out of Florida.

but there isn't, at least not for practical purposes. it's not like there are 500 blue-chip, five-star players so that every BCS team can get a handful of them.

USF got one guy ranked #20 in the state. Great. But how many top 20 players did FSU and UF get? Miami? Probably more than that...

stevej5 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:As long as we continue to win at our current clip it will fill up. For the first time ever we now have a waiting list for season tickets.

What's the current season-ticket base?

Whatever it is, that really is fantastic.

what do you care??? Dude....go back to the CDOA board....please

stevej5 Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:My point is that we have so much talent in Florida that it doesn't matter either way. You try to get the best talent that you can out of Florida.

but there isn't, at least not for practical purposes. it's not like there are 500 blue-chip, five-star players so that every BCS team can get a handful of them.

USF got one guy ranked #20 in the state. Great. But how many top 20 players did FSU and UF get? Miami? Probably more than that...

once again...USF has only been playing football for a few years and on top of that has only been in a BCS conference for one year....what do you expect!?!?!? I think it's great they got a top 20 player out of Florida ALREADY.....

Quote:Wouldnt the same logic work for USF? or is UCF unique?

You would think, but USF is trying too hard. They are going after kids that are questionable at best, hence the failure rate.

Quote:USF got SIX; 20,62,64,78,81,98

20 - Leslie Sturrips - Did not qualify
62 - Jason Sherman - Got one
64 - Carlton Mitchell - Did not qualify
78 - LeBrandon Glover - Got two
81 - Kevin McCaskill - Did not qualify
98 - Edner Alcin - Got three

UCF two on that list, into school. Now one quit, but something you need to realize, UCF recruits outside of Florida unlike USF. Torrell Johnson who turned down Ole Miss, Minnesota and Maryland was a first team all state DL from Georgia two years running, Wes Tunuufi Sauvao turned down Arkansas and ranked #58 nationally at DT was from Lousiana.

So basically, if all you do is recruit Florida, I do hope you get more than three top 100 players in if your a BCS team.

Sir Galahad Wrote:

Quote:Wouldnt the same logic work for USF? or is UCF unique?

You would think, but USF is trying too hard. They are going after kids that are questionable at best, hence the failure rate.

Quote:USF got SIX; 20,62,64,78,81,98

20 - Leslie Sturrips - Did not qualify
62 - Jason Sherman - Got one
64 - Carlton Mitchell - Did not qualify
78 - LeBrandon Glover - Got two
81 - Kevin McCaskill - Did not qualify
98 - Edner Alcin - Got three

UCF two on that list, into school. Now one quit, but something you need to realize, UCF recruits outside of Florida unlike USF. Torrell Johnson who turned down Ole Miss, Minnesota and Maryland was a first team all state DL from Georgia two years running, Wes Tunuufi Sauvao turned down Arkansas and ranked #58 nationally at DT was from Lousiana.

So basically, if all you do is recruit Florida, I do hope you get more than three top 100 players in if your a BCS team.

a BCS team that doesn't have much tradition nor have they been a "BCS Team" for long....I think some of you UCF fans expect too much from USF too soon. It's going to take some time.

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:My point is that we have so much talent in Florida that it doesn't matter either way. You try to get the best talent that you can out of Florida.

but there isn't, at least not for practical purposes. it's not like there are 500 blue-chip, five-star players so that every BCS team can get a handful of them.

USF got one guy ranked #20 in the state. Great. But how many top 20 players did FSU and UF get? Miami? Probably more than that...

once again...USF has only been playing football for a few years and on top of that has only been in a BCS conference for one year....what do you expect!?!?!? I think it's great they got a top 20 player out of Florida ALREADY.....

I'm very pleased at how far USF has gotten in just 9 years. That's not the issue. The issue is their ability to recruit blue-chip athletes in the face of UF/FSU/Miami competition. So far, they've gotten one top 20 guy, and according to another poster, the top 20 guy, stirrups, did not even qualify so he doesn't count.


Forgive me for not being optimistic ...

stevej5 Wrote:

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:My point is that we have so much talent in Florida that it doesn't matter either way. You try to get the best talent that you can out of Florida.

but there isn't, at least not for practical purposes. it's not like there are 500 blue-chip, five-star players so that every BCS team can get a handful of them.

USF got one guy ranked #20 in the state. Great. But how many top 20 players did FSU and UF get? Miami? Probably more than that...

once again...USF has only been playing football for a few years and on top of that has only been in a BCS conference for one year....what do you expect!?!?!? I think it's great they got a top 20 player out of Florida ALREADY.....

I'm very pleased at how far USF has gotten in just 9 years. That's not the issue. The issue is their ability to recruit blue-chip athletes in the face of UF/FSU/Miami competition. So far, they've gotten one top 20 guy, and according to another poster, the top 20 guy, stirrups, did not even qualify so he doesn't count.

Forgive me for not being optimistic ...

It is USF first year with a BCS label. It will take time.

stevej5 Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:You do realize that the Big East had Miami before USF so they have retained a Florida presence.
If you look at the Florida top 100 list you can say that it has remained the same. If you look at the eight Big East teams
In 2003 they had 13 top 100 Florida kids
In 2005 they had 12
In 2006 they had 14

Nice job posting the stats, but those same 2006 stats you posted show that while BE teams got quite a few top 100 players, they got virtually none of the cream of the crop - no top 10 players, and just one top 40 player.

Well one of those players that was rated by Rivals only had a rating in the 40s that same player by ESPN Scout,Inc was rated one of the Top 50 Players in the Nation. That player is Brandon Heath who signed with Louisville. Different players, different ratings. My only thing if you are going to use a Rating service DON'T use Rivals. They have by far the poorest track record of anyone on ranking players per the Birmingham News.

Cubanbull Wrote:if we keep whippping you then you wont be much of a pain in recruiting. The longer USF is in a BCS conference and UCF is not the wider the gap will get. Sit back and watch.

No whipping this season. UCF will get revenge for last season's debacle at RayJay. Step on into the Dungeon, USF, we'll be ready.

Hummell Wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa...I didn't say that you didn't get any of them. The question was (FOLLOW ALONG CLOSELY):

HAS THE NUMBER OF RECRUITS OUT OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA INCREASED, DECREASED, OR REMAINED FLAT SINCE ADDING USF?

You seem to be ignoring the fact that Miami was in the Big East before. If the number of recruits stayed the same, USF has done the job. If the numbers increased, USF has exceeded expectations.

Cubanbull Wrote:You do realize that the Big East had Miami before USF so they have retained a Florida presence.
If you look at the Florida top 100 list you can say that it has remained the same. If you look at the eight Big East teams
In 2003 they had 13 top 100 Florida kids
In 2005 they had 12
In 2006 they had 14

There is your answer. In 2003, with Miami, the number was 13. In 2006, with USF, the number is 14. Slight increase but we'll say the number has remained the same. It may double with UCF added.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:I think Hummell is trying to say that picking S. Fla did nothing for the Big East and don't pick UCF in the future....read between the lines.

Everyone know what his true intention is. He is so transparent. I think people chose to ignore that aspect because it will just cause this thread to degenerate into some stupidity that we don't want.