cuseroc Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:I don't think South Florida is considered small potatoes at all. If they were, Miami wouldn't be trying to get a national television deal against them. South Florida is going to start sneaking into their recruiting circles, just watch.

I wish i could consider us to be big-time, but we're not and probably never will be. We don't have a stadium on campus, we have a commuter student population and widely dispersed alumni base, and Tampa is a Bucs town.

Miami would love to get a "national tv deal" to play anyone, since every team wants to be on national tv. particularly if it's against a team you will easily beat.

Here we go again. Someone pretending to be a USF fan talking smack about USF and the BE. You can always tell the "self hatin BE fans. lmfao

Just read the posts from this guy. He will be banned in no time flat.

It's pretty pathetic. The obsession over USF is unreal. I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is a UCF fan.

stevej5 Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:I don't think South Florida is considered small potatoes at all. If they were, Miami wouldn't be trying to get a national television deal against them. South Florida is going to start sneaking into their recruiting circles, just watch.

I wish i could consider us to be big-time, but we're not and probably never will be. We don't have a stadium on campus, we have a commuter student population and widely dispersed alumni base, and Tampa is a Bucs town.

Miami would love to get a "national tv deal" to play anyone, since every team wants to be on national tv. particularly if it's against a team you will easily beat.

Here we go again. Someone pretending to be a USF fan talking smack about USF and the BE. You can always tell the "self hatin BE fans. lmfao

Just read the posts from this guy. He will be banned in no time flat.

Why would anyone ban me? And what's talking smack about admitting the limitations of my school's program?

I wish i could say we are on the way to national power-hood, but it just isn't going to happen. Our alumni base and student base just isn't oriented towards football, at least not Bullls football, and probably never will be.

Heck, i visited a couple USF dorms last fall, and there were as many UF and FSU banners, etc. in the dorm rooms as USF banners, believe it or not. Lots of the students grew up rooting for UF, FSU, or Miami.

Why would you be banned? Maybe because you're some loser pretending to be a USF fan just to run them down? You're pathetic. Be a man for once and if you want to talk smack do it behind the team you're really a fan of.

Maize Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:Heck, i visited a couple USF dorms last fall, and there were as many UF and FSU banners, etc. in the dorm rooms as USF banners, believe it or not. Lots of the students grew up rooting for UF, FSU, or Miami.

25 years ago you could say the same thing about Miami. NOBODY in Dade County gave a rats arse about the Hurricanes.

Yes, but with two critical differences: First, Miami had been playing football since the 1930s. They had an established fan base in the Miami area, an alumni base, albeit a small one. But it consisted of people who had always been Miami fans. They had a base, their own turf, from which to expand. In contrast, even the city of Tampa, even the USF *campus* isn't strictly USF territory. As i noted, fans of UF and FSU even populate the USF dorms!

Second and more crucially, circa 1980 neither FSU or UF was a football powerhouse. The state as a whole was like an un-tapped market for college football, wide-open for expansion, and all three schools did just that.

USF is now facing a "saturated market" ...

stevej5 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:Heck, i visited a couple USF dorms last fall, and there were as many UF and FSU banners, etc. in the dorm rooms as USF banners, believe it or not. Lots of the students grew up rooting for UF, FSU, or Miami.

25 years ago you could say the same thing about Miami. NOBODY in Dade County gave a rats arse about the Hurricanes.

Yes, but with two critical differences: First, Miami had been playing football since the 1930s. They had an established fan base in the Miami area, an alumni base, albeit a small one. But it consisted of people who had always been Miami fans.

Second and more crucially, neither FSU or UF was a football powerhouse back then. The state as a whole was like an un-tapped market for college football, wide-open for expansion, and all three schools did just that.

USF is now facing a "saturated market" ...

Florida "saturated market" in terms of avail. talent???? Naw...you guys are like Ohio: plenty to go around. USF will be fine.

CatsClaw Wrote:Why would you be banned? Maybe because you're some loser pretending to be a USF fan just to run them down? You're pathetic. Be a man for once and if you want to talk smack do it behind the team you're really a fan of.

I haven't said a single syllable of smack against USF. I've noted the limitations and problems they face.

Apparently, you regard anything but mindless boosterism, sis-boom-bah, rah-rah-rah! as "running them down". sheesh.

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:USF is now facing a "saturated market" ...

Florida "saturated market" in terms of avail. talent???? Naw...you guys are like Ohio: plenty to go around. USF will be fine.

Big difference. In Ohio, there is just one national-power program. In Florida, there are *3*. Even in a loaded state, 3 is saturation. They pretty much divide all the blue-chip talent, with the occasional exception going to an out-of-state power like USC, LSU, or Notre Dame.

USF stands little chance of getting true top-talent in that environment.

Quote:USF is now facing a "saturated market" ...

Now that is funny considering Louisville has been able to build a Top 25 Program from the 4th and 5th choices in that state. We have something like 26 players from Florida and when the Bulls start winning they will be able to keep some of those players home.

Maize Wrote:

Quote:USF is now facing a "saturated market" ...

Now that is funny considering Louisville has been able to build a Top 25 Program from the 4th and 5th choices in that state. We have something like 26 players from Florida and when the Bulls start winning they will be able to keep some of those players home.

Louisville's talent is clearly inferior to the talent on teams like UF and FSU. You guys are Top 25 because of a comparitively weak schedule and comparatively good coaching.

Good coaching can make up for a lot of structural deficiencies, U of L is a good example ...

stevej5 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

Quote:USF is now facing a "saturated market" ...

Now that is funny considering Louisville has been able to build a Top 25 Program from the 4th and 5th choices in that state. We have something like 26 players from Florida and when the Bulls start winning they will be able to keep some of those players home.

Louisville's talent is clearly inferior to the talent on teams like UF and FSU. You guys are Top 25 because of a comparitively weak schedule and comparatively good coaching.

Good coaching can make up for a lot of structural deficiencies, U of L is a good example ...

Brohm and co. could start for a host of teams........UofL's talent is certainly not "inferior" to UF/FSU (at least the current talent at any rate.)

That is why Brian Brohm is considered the best QB in his class by Mel Kiper and Michael Bush is considered the best RB NFL prospect in his class by Kiper as well.

That is also why Louisville has place 10 players the past 2 years in the National Football League. Try again young man.

Jackson1011 Wrote:4. As for UCF, I don't know how much they would help with the Fla recruiting since they and the Bulls are really in the same section of the state. However, I think it would be a good thing for USF to invite UCF. IMO, the Bulls need an in-league rivalry, especially in hoops. It would cut down on the travel costs for the rest of the schools and give the Eastern teams a trip to Fla every yr . The only question in my mind is would the addition of UCF hurt USF in football recruiting? Are there enough kids in Fla to support 4 BCS schools?

Jackson

From a television market standpoint, UCF and USF are not in the same area. UCF is in the Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne market, which is #19th in the country. The Tampa-St. Petersburg market is #12.

Would adding UCF hurt USF in football recruiting? Well, USF is already competing with us for many of the same recruits. I don't see how we could hurt them any more than that. UCF doesn't need to be in the Big East to be a pain in USF's side when it comes to recruiting. ;-)

if we keep whippping you then you wont be much of a pain in recruiting. The longer USF is in a BCS conference and UCF is not the wider the gap will get. Sit back and watch.

Cubanbull Wrote:if we keep whippping you then you wont be much of a pain in recruiting. The longer USF is in a BCS conference and UCF is not the wider the gap will get. Sit back and watch.

Truth is, we and UCF are pains in each other's side when it comes to recruiting. We're both scrambling for the table scraps after UF, FSU, Miami, and the occasional Notre Dame/USC forager has had their fill of the 5- and 4- star talent.

I doubt that will change any time soon for us or UCF.

UCFGoldenKnights#1 Wrote:

Jackson1011 Wrote:4. As for UCF, I don't know how much they would help with the Fla recruiting since they and the Bulls are really in the same section of the state. However, I think it would be a good thing for USF to invite UCF. IMO, the Bulls need an in-league rivalry, especially in hoops. It would cut down on the travel costs for the rest of the schools and give the Eastern teams a trip to Fla every yr . The only question in my mind is would the addition of UCF hurt USF in football recruiting? Are there enough kids in Fla to support 4 BCS schools?

Jackson

From a television market standpoint, UCF and USF are not in the same area. UCF is in the Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne market, which is #19th in the country. The Tampa-St. Petersburg market is #12.

Would adding UCF hurt USF in football recruiting? Well, USF is already competing with us for many of the same recruits. I don't see how we could hurt them any more than that. UCF doesn't need to be in the Big East to be a pain in USF's side when it comes to recruiting. ;-)

USF has only been in a BCS conference one year, and recruiting as a member of a BCS conference for about 2 years. The longer USF is in a BCS conference, the more it will negatively effect UCF. Look at ECU and Virginia Tech about 15 years ago. They were pretty much on even terms, but once Virginia Tech joined a BCS conference they slowly but surely pulled away from ECU to the point where Virginia Tech is an established power and ECU is a solid program that isn't on Virginia Tech's level right now. That's the effect of being in a Big Six conference.

I'm still waiting for a Central Florida fan to explain how their team being in a BCS conference would hurt the SEC or ACC and not the Big East.
lmfao lmfao lmfao
CJ

CardinalJim Wrote:I'm still waiting for a Central Florida fan to explain how their team being in a BCS conference would hurt the SEC or ACC and not the Big East.
lmfao lmfao lmfao
CJ

I'm one that says there is too much talent in Florida and it would have almost Zero effect either way....

stevej5 Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:if we keep whippping you then you wont be much of a pain in recruiting. The longer USF is in a BCS conference and UCF is not the wider the gap will get. Sit back and watch.

Truth is, we and UCF are pains in each other's side when it comes to recruiting. We're both scrambling for the table scraps after UF, FSU, Miami, and the occasional Notre Dame/USC forager has had their fill of the 5- and 4- star talent.

I doubt that will change any time soon for us or UCF.

I'm guessing that it will change with South Florida. I expect their class to start improving soon.

CatsClaw Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:if we keep whippping you then you wont be much of a pain in recruiting. The longer USF is in a BCS conference and UCF is not the wider the gap will get. Sit back and watch.

Truth is, we and UCF are pains in each other's side when it comes to recruiting. We're both scrambling for the table scraps after UF, FSU, Miami, and the occasional Notre Dame/USC forager has had their fill of the 5- and 4- star talent.

I doubt that will change any time soon for us or UCF.

I'm guessing that it will change with South Florida. I expect their class to start improving soon.

You mean like not losing 1/3 of the recruits to grades? Do you wonder why some of their good recruits didn't go to bigger schools? They were not going to qualify.

LOL. here we go again with the same song and dance routine.
Shut the hell up until you at least beat the Bulls before you talk crap. i have never seen fans from a school that hasnt won crap hasnt beaten anyone and still talk this much trash.

stevej5 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

Quote:USF is now facing a "saturated market" ...

Now that is funny considering Louisville has been able to build a Top 25 Program from the 4th and 5th choices in that state. We have something like 26 players from Florida and when the Bulls start winning they will be able to keep some of those players home.

Louisville's talent is clearly inferior to the talent on teams like UF and FSU. You guys are Top 25 because of a comparitively weak schedule and comparatively good coaching.

Good coaching can make up for a lot of structural deficiencies, U of L is a good example ...

"Structural deficiencies?" Hardly. UofL isn't full of 5 star recruits like a Texas or USC, but other than that there are no deficiencies, physical or otherwise.