Read that that movie theater prohibits weapons.

If a private establishment posts signs and has a policy that prohibits fire arms, are those overridden by state concealed carry laws? I'm sure it varies state by state, but just curious if anyone knows? Obviously the policy made 0 difference in this case, I was just wondering.

(01-14-2014 05:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Read that that movie theater prohibits weapons.

If a private establishment posts signs and has a policy that prohibits fire arms, are those overridden by state concealed carry laws? I'm sure it varies state by state, but just curious if anyone knows? Obviously the policy made 0 difference in this case, I was just wondering.

I see signs all over the place not to drink and drive or text and drive.. It still happens.. We're a nation of fools.

So a nut with a gun shoots a guy. A tragedy for sure, do we make and /or change public policy for millions of the law abiding because of the nuts?

That would make for a tidy, authoritarian, police state.

(01-14-2014 04:54 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What's certifiable is the NRA pushes for laws and when they lead to something as described we shirk from it.

It's illegal to shoot people who piss you off.

What if they piss you off. You tell mgmt. he then throws popcorn at you and throws a punch? Can you ice the sucka Dirty Harry style????

I mean the guy was texting..... Let's call a spade a spade.

(01-14-2014 04:58 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  what do you think is going to happen as the NRA pushes more and more state legislatures into these laws??????? These laws are not thought through. It should state you have the obligation to retreat. As the law reads now the 71 yr. old was under his right to shoot if the 43 yr. old assaulted him.

You're just pulling things out of your ass now. This guy is not protected by "SYG", and every reading of a "SYG" law that I've done is little more than a clarification of current law, passed for the benefit of Chicken Little thinking they'd be under fire for some other state's lack of a Castle doctrine (or similar).

"We are told NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics." BUT on the other hand... "We are also encouraged TO judge ALL Gun Owners by the actions of a few lunatics."

You have to have a reasonable fear for your life or others lives. If necessary 12 people will decide if you acted improperly. Throwing popcorn ain't gonna make it.

You guys know where I am going with this. It is my contention that people do not know that they are in a gun fight due to the concealed nature. I actually do believe there is something to be said about the crime rate dropping and the push in these concealed carry laws, I just wish there was a way we could inform the public that someone is a concealed carrier. You just have to assume that someone is armed now a days, but even then someone catches you at the wrong time at the wrong moment and you could end up dead. Something is wrong about that. We should have the duty to retreat.

(01-14-2014 05:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I mean the guy was texting..... Let's call a spade a spade.

Plus he had snacks like Trayvon.

(01-14-2014 06:10 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You guys know where I am going with this. It is my contention that people do not know that they are in a gun fight due to the concealed nature. I actually do believe there is something to be said about the crime rate dropping and the push in these concealed carry laws, I just wish there was a way we could inform the public that someone is a concealed carrier. You just have to assume that someone is armed now a days, but even then someone catches you at the wrong time at the wrong moment and you could end up dead. Something is wrong about that. We should have the duty to retreat.

Duty to retreat, my ass. You want open carry? I'm all for it. You want gunfights in the street, 10 paces, turn and fire? Consenting adults? The states are too resistive to open carry.

Not sure what to say. Sometimes it's as simple as recognizing that crazy people do crazy things like bringing a gun to a movie.

(01-14-2014 03:49 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Yikes!!!!

Wasn't even during the actual movie just the previews. too many angry people out there. I guarantee you the Dad just thought the guy was getting lippy and just mouthed back having no idea that the guy was a concealed carrier. But maybe we will all get a more polite society, the bastard should have known better than to text during the preview with a stand your grounder behind him.

Here is the funny part Mach... The perp is an ex-cop.... YOu know the one segment of society you want armed..

(01-14-2014 04:26 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What if the guy threw popcorn at him and threatened him with a punch? Isn't that the very definition of stand your ground? The punk shouldn't have been texting his daughter. He was probably texting while they gave the directions not to text. An armed society is a more polite society. Kill a couple of texters during the preview and the word will spread! Yeah Stand Your Ground!

EX POLICE OFFICER - THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT *YOU* WANT WITH GUNS...

Quote:Voices were raised. Oulson threw a bag of popcorn at Reeves, police said. Then, the former police officer took out a .380 semi-automatic handgun and shot Oulson.

[...]

During Reeves' first appearance Tuesday, his attorney argued that Oulson was the "aggressor."

I often wonder how defense attorneys sleep at night.

(01-14-2014 06:10 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You guys know where I am going with this. It is my contention that people do not know that they are in a gun fight due to the concealed nature. I actually do believe there is something to be said about the crime rate dropping and the push in these concealed carry laws, I just wish there was a way we could inform the public that someone is a concealed carrier. You just have to assume that someone is armed now a days, but even then someone catches you at the wrong time at the wrong moment and you could end up dead. Something is wrong about that. We should have the duty to retreat.

more good thinking. Maybe we could tattoo a big red CC on their foreheads? That work for you?

(01-14-2014 04:54 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What's certifiable is the NRA pushes for laws and when they lead to something as described we shirk from it. What if the 71 year old ex cop felt threatened. From what I have read he threw popcorn at him. What if a punch was next? Stop hiding behind obnoxious statements JMU. Stand for what you believe in. Stand Your Ground. Did the 71 year old have the right to Stand his Ground when he felt threatened?

No law led to this. None.

(01-14-2014 04:51 PM)Smaug Wrote:  25 people in the theater? Why were they sitting on top of each other?

Heh, good point. Maybe he's thinking, in hindsight, moving a couple rows over among the sea of empty seats might've been preferable to murder.

(01-14-2014 05:54 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What if they piss you off. You tell mgmt. he then throws popcorn at you and throws a punch? Can you ice the sucka Dirty Harry style????

You seem to be looking for someone to defend this *******'s behavior.

In a big empty theater, I'm smart enough to get up and move.