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Just a guess, but I think that it will come out that while very fast (faster even) and Heinicke-like on his feet, McCarley's throwing motion is such that his trajectory is just too low.

All the way back to the UMD game, we saw that it get's difficult for shorter QBs to see downfield over FBS DLinemen.
Starting with the Pitt game, we saw how difficult it can be to throw over towering linemen; hence some batted balls.
A shorter QB with a low takeoff angle is likely not an optimum combination as we move forward.
Like Heinicke, McCarley was able to extend plays with scrambling, and in Shane's case, very proficient vertical running as well.
However, McCarley's smaller stature likely precludes his use as a bona fide dual threat because of durability issues.

I think that as we move forward we are going to want a QB who can complete the initial play as designed, instead of being forced to extend and improvise every other play.

FWIW, I have been a big fan of David Washington from day one. IMO he just needs some playing time to develop his reads and his in-game "feel".

(01-08-2014 02:40 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:01 PM)Leo Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:26 PM)Leo Wrote:  anointing him as the second-coming of th before he even enrolled at odu was the problem.

McCarley and Bentley were high level recruits for us and we landed them against FBS competition. In my mind, one of them was going to be the heir apparent. Losing one is disappointing to me. I'm not blaming anyone for it, but that leaves us one FBS recruit for when TH graduates and he'll be a RS freshman and we obviously have know idea if he will boom or bust. Washington and McElroy are FCS recruits. We need someone with the arm strength to make FBS throws against FBS DBs. Based on what I saw last year, I'm not even sure Heinicke has the strength to do it, much less either of the guys on the bench, but at lease he has the vision to shred some of the weaker defenses.

u mean f_u, la tech, and temple? hardly the college elite! of course we don't know who will boom or bust (with the exception of washington, because he won't "pan out," isn't that right?) look at th! how many fcs schools offered him a scholly, and he turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, shattering long-standing records with ease. like i've been saying all along, hs highlight videos and scholarship offered lists that include the schools listed above does not mean he'll be a good fbs qb. iow, mccarley is replaceable. and as far as arm strength, it was reported that mccarley regularly missed wide open receivers in practice. the qb with the strongest arm currently on our roster is washington, the fcs recruit.

Good, you finally see the problem...

Also while TH turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, he looked pretty average trying to make plays against MD and UNC DBs. Bury your head all you want, but we need either a QB that can put up 40 points per game or a defense that can hold opponents to 20 or we could be looking at a 2-10 team 2 years down the road.

While I agree with almost all of that, I feel like you are missing something. Those players were recruited at the CAA level and were excellent CAA players. I have confidence that the players Wilder is recruiting at the CUSA level will also be good at their level. I don't think it is really fair to look at the upgrade in opponents, without considering the potential upgrade in our own talent.

I agree, but it should be noted that its a lot easier to get the best of the best in FCS when you are recruiting to the CAA (the SEC of FCS). We will have less margin of error trying to get guys who can compete at the CUSA level. Yes, they'll be better than our CAA guys, and hopefully will be able to win a CUSA championship. We'll see.

(01-08-2014 02:50 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Just a guess, but I think that it will come out that while very fast (faster even) and Heinicke-like on his feet, McCarley's throwing motion is such that his trajectory is just too low.

All the way back to the UMD game, we saw that it get's difficult for shorter QBs to see downfield over FBS DLinemen.
Starting with the Pitt game, we saw how difficult it can be to throw over towering linemen; hence some batted balls.
A shorter QB with a low takeoff angle is likely not an optimum combination as we move forward.
Like Heinicke, McCarley was able to extend plays with scrambling, and in Shane's case, very proficient vertical running as well.
However, McCarley's smaller stature likely precludes his use as a bona fide dual threat because of durability issues.

I think that as we move forward we are going to want a QB who can complete the initial play as designed, instead of being forced to extend and improvise every other play.

FWIW, I have been a big fan of David Washington from day one. IMO he just needs some playing time to develop his reads and his in-game "feel".

i feel the same way. harry minium saying that washington could play any number of positions was the worst thing he could've said about dw. i think being labeled an athletic qb formed some people's opinion that he can't be the qb at odu going forward. but if u take a look at the top college programs and their starting qbs, most of them are in fact athletic like washington. mariotta, manzielm, and bortles just off the top of my head.

Agree. I really like Washington and see a ton of potential. I believe he is a little taller than TH and a little faster. Once he improves his progressions he'll be a dangerous QB.

(01-07-2014 08:41 PM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  Maybe Shane didn't want to accept mediocrity [of the MBB situation] either? (At least he could do something about it and took action)

Jeff Jones wouldn't tell him when he put his house on the market.

I'm wondering why we even recruited McCarley? Didn't we know he threw sidearm passes in HS? Or did we hope we could change his throwing style once he committed? Seems like a waste of a recruit.

(01-08-2014 08:00 PM)Sithlord Wrote:  I'm wondering why we even recruited McCarley? Didn't we know he threw sidearm passes in HS? Or did we hope we could change his throwing style once he committed? Seems like a waste of a recruit.

A reporter said he threw sidearm...watch his video and you be the judge.

(01-08-2014 08:19 PM)HSF1 Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 08:00 PM)Sithlord Wrote:  I'm wondering why we even recruited McCarley? Didn't we know he threw sidearm passes in HS? Or did we hope we could change his throwing style once he committed? Seems like a waste of a recruit.

A reporter said he threw sidearm...watch his video and you be the judge.

It's not noticeable right off, and most probably wouldn't have noticed it on video unless they were looking for it. It would be more noticeable in person or of course up close. It's more of a 45 degree side arm throw, but it is there.

(01-08-2014 12:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 12:36 PM)Leo Wrote:  way too many pages for the fourth-string qb

No, it isn't. This is basically the first we knew there was an issue. Until this news came out, I think most of us believed this guy was the QB of the future that was not dressing because he was redshirting to save a year of eligibility, not that he was the "fourth-string string QB"... so for most of us, this is big news worthy of discussion. There were some discussions earlier in the year when he stopped being on the sidelines for games. The questions were met with the usual vitriol from the usual suspects on here because we dare question what was going on beyond what we were being told. Ed Miller reported, and I am not sure if it was a story or a Tweet, that the departure from the sideline was simply due to the redshirt decision and not disciplinary or performance-based. The issue was dropped and now it has reemerged. Heinicke has one more year and we have shown no defense to speak of. Finding his replacement is quite a big deal to the medium term future of this program and unless we can muster a big time defense over the next season and a half, the replacement is going to have to put up some big numbers to stay competitive.

Im not sure why he was predicted to be the future QB by anyone. He was in line. He was behind our backup that has 2 years on him. He was behind a lesser recruited but talented QB in McElroy. He also wasn't the recruit that our incoming freshman, Bentley is.

He was a solid recruit and I was estatic we got him. But with the reports surfacing early about his struggles in practice and the amount of competition he had to deal with, his transfer is not surprising at all.

(01-08-2014 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:01 PM)Leo Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:26 PM)Leo Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:13 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  How was one to know he was not living up to his hype and becoming what they hoped for? We were told nothing to to see here move along. Did I miss something between the Miller brush off months ago and this story? Or was it unwritten common knowledge like Blaine's problems? If so, I apologize for the ranting, but until yesterday, I was still under the impression he was going to be the guy.

anointing him as the second-coming of th before he even enrolled at odu was the problem.

McCarley and Bentley were high level recruits for us and we landed them against FBS competition. In my mind, one of them was going to be the heir apparent. Losing one is disappointing to me. I'm not blaming anyone for it, but that leaves us one FBS recruit for when TH graduates and he'll be a RS freshman and we obviously have know idea if he will boom or bust. Washington and McElroy are FCS recruits. We need someone with the arm strength to make FBS throws against FBS DBs. Based on what I saw last year, I'm not even sure Heinicke has the strength to do it, much less either of the guys on the bench, but at lease he has the vision to shred some of the weaker defenses.

u mean f_u, la tech, and temple? hardly the college elite! of course we don't know who will boom or bust (with the exception of washington, because he won't "pan out," isn't that right?) look at th! how many fcs schools offered him a scholly, and he turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, shattering long-standing records with ease. like i've been saying all along, hs highlight videos and scholarship offered lists that include the schools listed above does not mean he'll be a good fbs qb. iow, mccarley is replaceable. and as far as arm strength, it was reported that mccarley regularly missed wide open receivers in practice. the qb with the strongest arm currently on our roster is washington, the fcs recruit.

Good, you finally see the problem...

Also while TH turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, he looked pretty average trying to make plays against MD and UNC DBs. Bury your head all you want, but we need either a QB that can put up 40 points per game or a defense that can hold opponents to 20 or we could be looking at a 2-10 team 2 years down the road.

How did Heinicke look against the league leader in the league he will be competing in? How about against Pittsburgh?

(01-08-2014 02:50 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Just a guess, but I think that it will come out that while very fast (faster even) and Heinicke-like on his feet, McCarley's throwing motion is such that his trajectory is just too low.

All the way back to the UMD game, we saw that it get's difficult for shorter QBs to see downfield over FBS DLinemen.
Starting with the Pitt game, we saw how difficult it can be to throw over towering linemen; hence some batted balls.
A shorter QB with a low takeoff angle is likely not an optimum combination as we move forward.
Like Heinicke, McCarley was able to extend plays with scrambling, and in Shane's case, very proficient vertical running as well.
However, McCarley's smaller stature likely precludes his use as a bona fide dual threat because of durability issues.

I think that as we move forward we are going to want a QB who can complete the initial play as designed, instead of being forced to extend and improvise every other play.

FWIW, I have been a big fan of David Washington from day one. IMO he just needs some playing time to develop his reads and his in-game "feel".

I also have a lot of faith in Washington and I'm not convinced Bentley beats him out. The offense probably changes to one more closely resembling the DeMarco offense, but Washington certainly has the talent to play on the FBS level. Good size, fast, strong arm.

We know he has the talent. What we don't know is how well he can manage the pocket and recognize what the defense is doing and how to attack it. The guy throws a beautiful ball though and the passes to Spellman and Vaughn were two of the best passes we saw from either QB last year. I think I was most impressed with his touch on the corner route to Spellman.

If Heinicke stays healthy, Washington will have been in the system for 3 years before competing for a starting job and that should help him out a lot.

(01-08-2014 09:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 12:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 12:36 PM)Leo Wrote:  way too many pages for the fourth-string qb

No, it isn't. This is basically the first we knew there was an issue. Until this news came out, I think most of us believed this guy was the QB of the future that was not dressing because he was redshirting to save a year of eligibility, not that he was the "fourth-string string QB"... so for most of us, this is big news worthy of discussion. There were some discussions earlier in the year when he stopped being on the sidelines for games. The questions were met with the usual vitriol from the usual suspects on here because we dare question what was going on beyond what we were being told. Ed Miller reported, and I am not sure if it was a story or a Tweet, that the departure from the sideline was simply due to the redshirt decision and not disciplinary or performance-based. The issue was dropped and now it has reemerged. Heinicke has one more year and we have shown no defense to speak of. Finding his replacement is quite a big deal to the medium term future of this program and unless we can muster a big time defense over the next season and a half, the replacement is going to have to put up some big numbers to stay competitive.

Im not sure why he was predicted to be the future QB by anyone. He was in line. He was behind our backup that has 2 years on him. He was behind a lesser recruited but talented QB in McElroy. He also wasn't the recruit that our incoming freshman, Bentley is.

He was a solid recruit and I was estatic we got him. But with the reports surfacing early about his struggles in practice and the amount of competition he had to deal with, his transfer is not surprising at all.

Can you refer me one of these reports he was struggling in practice? I read these boards as well as Minium pretty religiously and didn't see one.

(01-08-2014 09:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:01 PM)Leo Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:26 PM)Leo Wrote:  anointing him as the second-coming of th before he even enrolled at odu was the problem.

McCarley and Bentley were high level recruits for us and we landed them against FBS competition. In my mind, one of them was going to be the heir apparent. Losing one is disappointing to me. I'm not blaming anyone for it, but that leaves us one FBS recruit for when TH graduates and he'll be a RS freshman and we obviously have know idea if he will boom or bust. Washington and McElroy are FCS recruits. We need someone with the arm strength to make FBS throws against FBS DBs. Based on what I saw last year, I'm not even sure Heinicke has the strength to do it, much less either of the guys on the bench, but at lease he has the vision to shred some of the weaker defenses.

u mean f_u, la tech, and temple? hardly the college elite! of course we don't know who will boom or bust (with the exception of washington, because he won't "pan out," isn't that right?) look at th! how many fcs schools offered him a scholly, and he turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, shattering long-standing records with ease. like i've been saying all along, hs highlight videos and scholarship offered lists that include the schools listed above does not mean he'll be a good fbs qb. iow, mccarley is replaceable. and as far as arm strength, it was reported that mccarley regularly missed wide open receivers in practice. the qb with the strongest arm currently on our roster is washington, the fcs recruit.

Good, you finally see the problem...

Also while TH turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, he looked pretty average trying to make plays against MD and UNC DBs. Bury your head all you want, but we need either a QB that can put up 40 points per game or a defense that can hold opponents to 20 or we could be looking at a 2-10 team 2 years down the road.

How did Heinicke look against the league leader in the league he will be competing in? How about against Pittsburgh?

Heinicke looked fantastic against ECU. I would actually argue that was his best performance of his career.

As far as Pitt is concerned, and I physically attended that game, he didn't look as good as his stat line. His scrambling and pocket presence was as good as it was against ECU, which is what earned him the yards and TDs, but the passes were floating and wobbly and Pitt also dropped 3 easy INTs... that game could have just as easily gone the way of the Maryland game.

(01-09-2014 09:21 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 09:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:01 PM)Leo Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  McCarley and Bentley were high level recruits for us and we landed them against FBS competition. In my mind, one of them was going to be the heir apparent. Losing one is disappointing to me. I'm not blaming anyone for it, but that leaves us one FBS recruit for when TH graduates and he'll be a RS freshman and we obviously have know idea if he will boom or bust. Washington and McElroy are FCS recruits. We need someone with the arm strength to make FBS throws against FBS DBs. Based on what I saw last year, I'm not even sure Heinicke has the strength to do it, much less either of the guys on the bench, but at lease he has the vision to shred some of the weaker defenses.

u mean f_u, la tech, and temple? hardly the college elite! of course we don't know who will boom or bust (with the exception of washington, because he won't "pan out," isn't that right?) look at th! how many fcs schools offered him a scholly, and he turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, shattering long-standing records with ease. like i've been saying all along, hs highlight videos and scholarship offered lists that include the schools listed above does not mean he'll be a good fbs qb. iow, mccarley is replaceable. and as far as arm strength, it was reported that mccarley regularly missed wide open receivers in practice. the qb with the strongest arm currently on our roster is washington, the fcs recruit.

Good, you finally see the problem...

Also while TH turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, he looked pretty average trying to make plays against MD and UNC DBs. Bury your head all you want, but we need either a QB that can put up 40 points per game or a defense that can hold opponents to 20 or we could be looking at a 2-10 team 2 years down the road.

How did Heinicke look against the league leader in the league he will be competing in? How about against Pittsburgh?

Heinicke looked fantastic against ECU. I would actually argue that was his best performance of his career.

As far as Pitt is concerned, and I physically attended that game, he didn't look as good as his stat line. His scrambling and pocket presence was as good as it was against ECU, which is what earned him the yards and TDs, but the passes were floating and wobbly and Pitt also dropped 3 easy INTs... that game could have just as easily gone the way of the Maryland game.

he a few passes batted down in that game too. more than normal if I recall.

(01-09-2014 09:10 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Can you refer me one of these reports he was struggling in practice? I read these boards as well as Minium pretty religiously and didn't see one.

As far as I know there was none.

However; any QB in the system should be be on the sidelines, hovering very close to a coach at all times. The idea being that he will continuously absorb aspects of the game

A potential future starter, and indeed heir apparent, often gets a clip board and even a headset.

In retrospect, the fact that he [McCarley] was no longer on the sidelines at all should have been seen as a huge red flag. To some (unfortunately not me) here it indeed was.

(01-09-2014 09:21 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 09:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:01 PM)Leo Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  McCarley and Bentley were high level recruits for us and we landed them against FBS competition. In my mind, one of them was going to be the heir apparent. Losing one is disappointing to me. I'm not blaming anyone for it, but that leaves us one FBS recruit for when TH graduates and he'll be a RS freshman and we obviously have know idea if he will boom or bust. Washington and McElroy are FCS recruits. We need someone with the arm strength to make FBS throws against FBS DBs. Based on what I saw last year, I'm not even sure Heinicke has the strength to do it, much less either of the guys on the bench, but at lease he has the vision to shred some of the weaker defenses.

u mean f_u, la tech, and temple? hardly the college elite! of course we don't know who will boom or bust (with the exception of washington, because he won't "pan out," isn't that right?) look at th! how many fcs schools offered him a scholly, and he turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, shattering long-standing records with ease. like i've been saying all along, hs highlight videos and scholarship offered lists that include the schools listed above does not mean he'll be a good fbs qb. iow, mccarley is replaceable. and as far as arm strength, it was reported that mccarley regularly missed wide open receivers in practice. the qb with the strongest arm currently on our roster is washington, the fcs recruit.

Good, you finally see the problem...

Also while TH turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, he looked pretty average trying to make plays against MD and UNC DBs. Bury your head all you want, but we need either a QB that can put up 40 points per game or a defense that can hold opponents to 20 or we could be looking at a 2-10 team 2 years down the road.

How did Heinicke look against the league leader in the league he will be competing in? How about against Pittsburgh?

Heinicke looked fantastic against ECU. I would actually argue that was his best performance of his career.

As far as Pitt is concerned, and I physically attended that game, he didn't look as good as his stat line. His scrambling and pocket presence was as good as it was against ECU, which is what earned him the yards and TDs, but the passes were floating and wobbly and Pitt also dropped 3 easy INTs... that game could have just as easily gone the way of the Maryland game.

Heinicke was under far more pressure vs Pitt. The Panthers have an excellent pass rush. His wobbly floaters were partially the result of not being able to plant, but more so he was trying to get them over the top of Pitt's tall pass rush.

That would have been a disaster with McCarley and his low trajectory.

Agree that the three inexplicably dropped interceptions by Pitt would likely have caused the outcome to be very similar to that of UMD had they been caught.

(01-09-2014 09:39 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 09:21 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 09:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:01 PM)Leo Wrote:  u mean f_u, la tech, and temple? hardly the college elite! of course we don't know who will boom or bust (with the exception of washington, because he won't "pan out," isn't that right?) look at th! how many fcs schools offered him a scholly, and he turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, shattering long-standing records with ease. like i've been saying all along, hs highlight videos and scholarship offered lists that include the schools listed above does not mean he'll be a good fbs qb. iow, mccarley is replaceable. and as far as arm strength, it was reported that mccarley regularly missed wide open receivers in practice. the qb with the strongest arm currently on our roster is washington, the fcs recruit.

Good, you finally see the problem...

Also while TH turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, he looked pretty average trying to make plays against MD and UNC DBs. Bury your head all you want, but we need either a QB that can put up 40 points per game or a defense that can hold opponents to 20 or we could be looking at a 2-10 team 2 years down the road.

How did Heinicke look against the league leader in the league he will be competing in? How about against Pittsburgh?

Heinicke looked fantastic against ECU. I would actually argue that was his best performance of his career.

As far as Pitt is concerned, and I physically attended that game, he didn't look as good as his stat line. His scrambling and pocket presence was as good as it was against ECU, which is what earned him the yards and TDs, but the passes were floating and wobbly and Pitt also dropped 3 easy INTs... that game could have just as easily gone the way of the Maryland game.

Heinicke was under far more pressure vs Pitt. The Panthers have an excellent pass rush. His wobbly floaters were partially the result of not being able to plant, but more importantly he was trying to get them over the top of Pitt's tall pass rush.

That would have been a disaster with McCarley and his low trajectory.

He was under every bit as much duress against ECU and Maryland IMO and the passes were sharp (his errors against Maryland were mental). I still have the ECU game on DVR. He had no time... just executed a near perfect game. I know this has been beaten down almost as much as Blaine Taylor, but I still think it's the glove. His passes were all wobbly once the cold weather set in except vs Idaho, which was indoors.

But yeah, opposing defenses learning the recipe to stopping our offense hasn't helped either and when you go 3 and out every possession in 15 seconds and have no defense, you wind up playing a 10 minute 4th quarter and giving up 80 points. I hope Bobby finds a way to diversify the offense a bit and can find an answer to what has obviously been the formula to stop our offense.

(01-09-2014 09:47 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 09:39 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 09:21 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 09:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Good, you finally see the problem...

Also while TH turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, he looked pretty average trying to make plays against MD and UNC DBs. Bury your head all you want, but we need either a QB that can put up 40 points per game or a defense that can hold opponents to 20 or we could be looking at a 2-10 team 2 years down the road.

How did Heinicke look against the league leader in the league he will be competing in? How about against Pittsburgh?

Heinicke looked fantastic against ECU. I would actually argue that was his best performance of his career.

As far as Pitt is concerned, and I physically attended that game, he didn't look as good as his stat line. His scrambling and pocket presence was as good as it was against ECU, which is what earned him the yards and TDs, but the passes were floating and wobbly and Pitt also dropped 3 easy INTs... that game could have just as easily gone the way of the Maryland game.

Heinicke was under far more pressure vs Pitt. The Panthers have an excellent pass rush. His wobbly floaters were partially the result of not being able to plant, but more importantly he was trying to get them over the top of Pitt's tall pass rush.

That would have been a disaster with McCarley and his low trajectory.

He was under every bit as much duress against ECU and Maryland IMO and the passes were sharp (his errors against Maryland were mental). I still have the ECU game on DVR. He had no time... just executed a near perfect game. I know this has been beaten down almost as much as Blaine Taylor, but I still think it's the glove. His passes were all wobbly once the cold weather set in except vs Idaho, which was indoors.

But yeah, opposing defenses learning the recipe to stopping our offense hasn't helped either and when you go 3 and out every possession in 15 seconds and have no defense, you wind up playing a 10 minute 4th quarter and giving up 80 points. I hope Bobby finds a way to diversify the offense a bit and can find an answer to what has obviously been the formula to stop our offense.

Interesting comment yesterday from Dan Patrick on Denver and Seattle.
He opined that in order for Denver to advance Peyton Manning would likely need to play a "near perfect game". On the other hand, Seattle's Russell Wilson was under no such pressure, as The Sea Hawks can win in a variety of ways.

(01-09-2014 10:13 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 09:47 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 09:39 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 09:21 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 09:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  How did Heinicke look against the league leader in the league he will be competing in? How about against Pittsburgh?

Heinicke looked fantastic against ECU. I would actually argue that was his best performance of his career.

As far as Pitt is concerned, and I physically attended that game, he didn't look as good as his stat line. His scrambling and pocket presence was as good as it was against ECU, which is what earned him the yards and TDs, but the passes were floating and wobbly and Pitt also dropped 3 easy INTs... that game could have just as easily gone the way of the Maryland game.

Heinicke was under far more pressure vs Pitt. The Panthers have an excellent pass rush. His wobbly floaters were partially the result of not being able to plant, but more importantly he was trying to get them over the top of Pitt's tall pass rush.

That would have been a disaster with McCarley and his low trajectory.

He was under every bit as much duress against ECU and Maryland IMO and the passes were sharp (his errors against Maryland were mental). I still have the ECU game on DVR. He had no time... just executed a near perfect game. I know this has been beaten down almost as much as Blaine Taylor, but I still think it's the glove. His passes were all wobbly once the cold weather set in except vs Idaho, which was indoors.

But yeah, opposing defenses learning the recipe to stopping our offense hasn't helped either and when you go 3 and out every possession in 15 seconds and have no defense, you wind up playing a 10 minute 4th quarter and giving up 80 points. I hope Bobby finds a way to diversify the offense a bit and can find an answer to what has obviously been the formula to stop our offense.

Interesting comment yesterday from Dan Patrick on Denver and Seattle.
He opined that in order for Denver to advance Peyton Manning would likely need to play a "near perfect game". On the other hand, Seattle's Russell Wilson was under no such pressure, as The Sea Hawks can win in a variety of ways.

That is exactly what is sparking this discussion. Bobby's system, and I'm not necessarily judging it, puts all the pressure on the QB. Sure, we can tweak it to a DeMarco offense and plug David Washington in there, but look at last season's schedule/results. We would have likely finished 4-8, losing to the Citadel, Liberty, Norfolk State, and Idaho with our defense and the DeMarco offense. Whatever offensive production we lose at QB, a single position, needs to be met with an equal gain in production over the entire defensive unit, 11 players, just to maintain what in my mind is probably a middle of the pack CUSA team... and we have 20 months. Obviously we have better recruits coming in, but some won't pan out and some will take awhile to develop. Not saying it can't be done, just saying we have some serious medium-term challenges coming up. Really hoping Bentley is "the man".

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(01-08-2014 02:01 PM)Leo Wrote:  u mean f_u, la tech, and temple? hardly the college elite! of course we don't know who will boom or bust (with the exception of washington, because he won't "pan out," isn't that right?) look at th! how many fcs schools offered him a scholly, and he turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, shattering long-standing records with ease. like i've been saying all along, hs highlight videos and scholarship offered lists that include the schools listed above does not mean he'll be a good fbs qb. iow, mccarley is replaceable. and as far as arm strength, it was reported that mccarley regularly missed wide open receivers in practice. the qb with the strongest arm currently on our roster is washington, the fcs recruit.

Good, you finally see the problem...

Also while TH turned out to be the best player in fcs in '12, he looked pretty average trying to make plays against MD and UNC DBs. Bury your head all you want, but we need either a QB that can put up 40 points per game or a defense that can hold opponents to 20 or we could be looking at a 2-10 team 2 years down the road.

How did Heinicke look against the league leader in the league he will be competing in? How about against Pittsburgh?

Heinicke looked fantastic against ECU. I would actually argue that was his best performance of his career.

As far as Pitt is concerned, and I physically attended that game, he didn't look as good as his stat line. His scrambling and pocket presence was as good as it was against ECU, which is what earned him the yards and TDs, but the passes were floating and wobbly and Pitt also dropped 3 easy INTs... that game could have just as easily gone the way of the Maryland game.

Heinicke was under far more pressure vs Pitt. The Panthers have an excellent pass rush. His wobbly floaters were partially the result of not being able to plant, but more so he was trying to get them over the top of Pitt's tall pass rush.

That would have been a disaster with McCarley and his low trajectory.

Agree that the three inexplicably dropped interceptions by Pitt would likely have caused the outcome to be very similar to that of UMD had they been caught.

It's more about the QB having a passing lane except for the deep ball and that includes TH which is much more difficult when under pressure.