KnightLight Wrote:Wow!!! How quickly UL fans forget about their CRYING for 70 YEARS to play Kentucky again as UK just kept ignoring their cries for decade after decade.

Thank you for making my point. I was so sure some one would remind me of this that I almost included a comment about it in my initial post. By posting this you having given me the perfect example why the game shouldn't be played and UK fans will be the first to admit.

Let me explain.

It wasn't 70 years that Louisville begged to play Kentucky, it was less than a decade. Before 1985 Louisville fans didn't care about football and conversely neither did the university. There was actually talk of dropping the program. The bottomline is Louisville was probably the worse program in the country. Little by little however Coach Schnellenberger built the program to the point fans started asking for the series. Why not? UK was in a BCS conference, surely they wouldn't be afraid to play Louisville. After all Louisville was the basketball school that played football in a baseball stadium, what harm could it do. In 1990 when Louisville beat Alabama in the Fiesta Bowl, UK could ignore us no longer and they agreed to the series. They agreed with one stipulation. That all games would be played in Lexington until we had a stadium here in Louisville "worthy" of their program. So Louisville played UK four straight in Lexington from 94-97, we split those 4 games. Since the modern series started Louisville has won 8 of 12 against UK, 6 of the last 7. Now Louisville is recognized as the football power in the state and UK is struggling. My point is the series did nothing for UK (USF) and everything for Louisville (UCF). Like I said before. When you sit in the position of strength why give your opponent the opportunity to face you on a level playing field. It just doesn't make much sense to me.
CJ

CyberBull Wrote:Don't ucf fans ever get tired of begging USF for games?

No means no...

Tell your Tampa Bay media to keep from "Begging" for the UCF/S. Fla game...The only reason why this is debated is because your media asked O'Leary.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:Don't ucf fans ever get tired of begging USF for games?

No means no...

Tell your Tampa Bay media to keep from "Begging" for the UCF/S. Fla game...The only reason why this is debated is because your media asked O'Leary.

Hey genius: it was the Florida Sportswriters annual media event. Media from all over the country got hear your coach beg for a game.

Here is a snap shot from O'Liar's press conference:

CyberBull Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:Don't ucf fans ever get tired of begging USF for games?

No means no...

Tell your Tampa Bay media to keep from "Begging" for the UCF/S. Fla game...The only reason why this is debated is because your media asked O'Leary.

Hey genius: it was the Florida Sportswriters annual media event. Media from all over the country got hear your coach beg for a game.

I'm sure O'Leary won't lose any sleep over not playing the Bulls. We will have our own on-campus stadium in 2007, so the Bulls might be a distant memory by then.

As far as begging goes, your media keeps up the UCF/S. Fla debate going. I can care less....I'd rather go to a more a "College" atmosphere instead of looking at NFL logos all over the field and not a hint of College or Bulls logos.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:Don't ucf fans ever get tired of begging USF for games?

No means no...

Tell your Tampa Bay media to keep from "Begging" for the UCF/S. Fla game...The only reason why this is debated is because your media asked O'Leary.

Hey genius: it was the Florida Sportswriters annual media event. Media from all over the country got hear your coach beg for a game.

I'm sure O'Leary won't lose any sleep over not playing the Bulls. We will have our own on-campus stadium in 2007, so the Bulls might be a distant memory by then.

As far as begging goes, your media keeps up the UCF/S. Fla debate going. I can care less....I'd rather go to a more a "College" atmosphere instead of looking at NFL logos all over the field and not a hint of College or Bulls logos.

Please continue to do just that in cusa, while USF continues to compete for the BE' bcs bid.

Quote:You see I was referring to your arrival in big time college football. It only makes sense that USF never made the 1AA playoffs, they jumped to 1A almost immediately. UCF, on the other hand, took what nearly two decades. As for the attendance debate I'll have to side with my conference brothers in that argument. I'm sure you'll understand.

who is big time football, surely not USF. Like I said, just to check out the TSA and you will see for yourself that USF averages around 20,000 to 25,000 people per game. Pretty sad in a stadium that seats over 66,000. That does not sound like big time football to me. Lets also look at their two biggest attended games last year, 1-aa FAMU and little ole UCF.

CardinalJim Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:Wow!!! How quickly UL fans forget about their CRYING for 70 YEARS to play Kentucky again as UK just kept ignoring their cries for decade after decade.

Thank you for making my point. I was so sure some one would remind me of this that I almost included a comment about it in my initial post. By posting this you having given me the perfect example why the game shouldn't be played and UK fans will be the first to admit.

Let me explain.

It wasn't 70 years that Louisville begged to play Kentucky, it was less than a decade. Before 1985 Louisville fans didn't care about football and conversely neither did the university. There was actually talk of dropping the program. The bottomline is Louisville was probably the worse program in the country. Little by little however Coach Schnellenberger built the program to the point fans started asking for the series. Why not? UK was in a BCS conference, surely they wouldn't be afraid to play Louisville. After all Louisville was the basketball school that played football in a baseball stadium, what harm could it do. In 1990 when Louisville beat Alabama in the Fiesta Bowl, UK could ignore us no longer and they agreed to the series. They agreed with one stipulation. That all games would be played in Lexington until we had a stadium here in Louisville "worthy" of their program. So Louisville played UK four straight in Lexington from 94-97, we split those 4 games. Since the modern series started Louisville has won 8 of 12 against UK, 6 of the last 7. Now Louisville is recognized as the football power in the state and UK is struggling. My point is the series did nothing for UK (USF) and everything for Louisville (UCF). Like I said before. When you sit in the position of strength why give your opponent the opportunity to face you on a level playing field. It just doesn't make much sense to me.
CJ

Really...some of my HS Catholic pals from Louisville..even in the 70's were "crying" about not getting the chance to play UK (their Dad's jump in...saying they've ALWAYS wanted to play UK in Football).

But alas..I'm sure you speak for all citizens of Louisville.

My comment was based on personal discussions.

Plus...Coaches Corso and Gibson talked about it many times during their "hay day" at the 'Ville.

Thanks for playing though.

KL

I say the game is better for S. Fla unless the Bulls pull off a miracle and bring fans to the S. Fla@ UCF game this year. I don't mind the game being played but we are the ones filling their pockets when we bring almost half the total attendance to Tampa.

CardinalJim Wrote:Lets get one thing straight. UCF has nothing to lose playing USF. USF, on the other hand, has nothing to gain from the game.

Jim, you're wrong on this one.

While South Florida being a member of the BCS certainly has immediate monetary advantages, that has by NO means catapulted them in public perception to being the #4 football program in Florida. Seems you're assuming they have a grip on that #4 hole.

Fact is, down here in Florida, both the schools are perceived to be in an arms race for that 4th spot. Each school has different advantages; South Florida's primary advantage is that they're BCS. Likewise, UCF has other advantages; and frankly, I think _if_ UCF has a chance to pull away, it won't happen until one year after the on-campus stadium is built, because a huge advantage for UCF is their beautiful campus.

Right now, UCF has 10 verbal commits, and although Rivals doesn't have them ranked as world-beaters, a number of them were offered by South Florida. And verbal athlete Ereck Plancher's cousin is even a South Florida RB. Each of these UCF verbals physically visited the UCF campus this Spring, and believe me, recruits are suprised.

Anyways, BOTH schools have everything to lose; that #4 spot IS at stake just as much for UCF as it is for South Florida. As noted, the game draws BIG money (aka fans), moreso than a Top 25 program rolling into town.

It's all about Risk-Reward. Both schools are guaranteed to lose money w/o the game.

I normally does not get to much involved into UCF-USF or BE-CUSA debates. I will say this, yes USF was fortunate to get invited to a BCS Conference, however that does not make them a Elite Team or NC Championship Contending Team. You look at the BIG 3 in Florida, each one of those teams have NCs, Conference Titles, Top 5 finishes, and produce countless NFL players, something that USF does not have. AS for attendence, UM get ridiculed for having games with 50,000 fans, FSU averages almost 80,000, and UF averages 90,000. USF's highest attendence was over 45,000 fans. Both USF and UCF is struggling with attendence and respect in the State of Florida. You can only hide behind the BCS tag for so long, after the State Top Recruits signs with the Big 3, the remaining leave the State, so far neither USF or UCF is keeping those players in the State at a record pace. They might keep a handful of players from signing with outer state teams, that about it. Ask the People in Texas, which program that they would send their child to TCU or Baylor? UCF wants this game because it gives both program their own identity.

It is amazing how UC and UL Fans come into the BE a demand a split between BB/FB schools, especially when most of the BB schools have been there longer than one year. Keep using UM Football credits to justify in keeping BCS Bid. Right now the BE is in CHAOS, just keep bringing UCF as candidate when your split occur, because ND have a sweetheart deal with the BE, Army/Navy does not want to be tied to a conference, Penn State is not leaving the Big 11, and Maryland is not leaving the ACC. UCF is the BE's BEST HOPE in keeping their BCS BID.

It is amazing how UC and UL Fans come into the BE a demand a split between BB/FB schools, especially when most of the BB schools have been there longer than one year.

So what. We're part of the conference now and we can say and do what we want. You think about that next time you complain about something in C-USA. You've been in C-USA as long as we have been in the Big East yet you're complaining about things in that conference. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

Keep using UM Football credits to justify in keeping BCS Bid.

Before you come over here talking trash know what you're talking about. The new BCS rotation started in 2004. So it Louisvilles #10 ranking and West Virginia #11 rankings are what count, not Miami's rankings. From 2004 to 2008 is what the Big East will be judged on.

Right now the BE is in CHAOS, just keep bringing UCF as candidate when your split occur, because ND have a sweetheart deal with the BE, Army/Navy does not want to be tied to a conference, Penn State is not leaving the Big 11, and Maryland is not leaving the ACC.

What!?

UCF is the BE's BEST HOPE in keeping their BCS BID.

Please get off the drugs.

UCF_Cardinals Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:Lets get one thing straight. UCF has nothing to lose playing USF. USF, on the other hand, has nothing to gain from the game.

Jim, you're wrong on this one.

While South Florida being a member of the BCS certainly has immediate monetary advantages, that has by NO means catapulted them in public perception to being the #4 football program in Florida. Seems you're assuming they have a grip on that #4 hole.

Fact is, down here in Florida, both the schools are perceived to be in an arms race for that 4th spot. Each school has different advantages; South Florida's primary advantage is that they're BCS. Likewise, UCF has other advantages; and frankly, I think _if_ UCF has a chance to pull away, it won't happen until one year after the on-campus stadium is built, because a huge advantage for UCF is their beautiful campus.

Right now, UCF has 10 verbal commits, and although Rivals doesn't have them ranked as world-beaters, a number of them were offered by South Florida. And verbal athlete Ereck Plancher's cousin is even a South Florida RB. Each of these UCF verbals physically visited the UCF campus this Spring, and believe me, recruits are suprised.

Anyways, BOTH schools have everything to lose; that #4 spot IS at stake just as much for UCF as it is for South Florida. As noted, the game draws BIG money (aka fans), moreso than a Top 25 program rolling into town.

It's all about Risk-Reward. Both schools are guaranteed to lose money w/o the game.

I doubt that South Florida's financial future hinges on playing Central Florida.

KnightLight Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:Wow!!! How quickly UL fans forget about their CRYING for 70 YEARS to play Kentucky again as UK just kept ignoring their cries for decade after decade.

Thank you for making my point. I was so sure some one would remind me of this that I almost included a comment about it in my initial post. By posting this you having given me the perfect example why the game shouldn't be played and UK fans will be the first to admit.

Let me explain.

It wasn't 70 years that Louisville begged to play Kentucky, it was less than a decade. Before 1985 Louisville fans didn't care about football and conversely neither did the university. There was actually talk of dropping the program. The bottomline is Louisville was probably the worse program in the country. Little by little however Coach Schnellenberger built the program to the point fans started asking for the series. Why not? UK was in a BCS conference, surely they wouldn't be afraid to play Louisville. After all Louisville was the basketball school that played football in a baseball stadium, what harm could it do. In 1990 when Louisville beat Alabama in the Fiesta Bowl, UK could ignore us no longer and they agreed to the series. They agreed with one stipulation. That all games would be played in Lexington until we had a stadium here in Louisville "worthy" of their program. So Louisville played UK four straight in Lexington from 94-97, we split those 4 games. Since the modern series started Louisville has won 8 of 12 against UK, 6 of the last 7. Now Louisville is recognized as the football power in the state and UK is struggling. My point is the series did nothing for UK (USF) and everything for Louisville (UCF). Like I said before. When you sit in the position of strength why give your opponent the opportunity to face you on a level playing field. It just doesn't make much sense to me.
CJ

Really...some of my HS Catholic pals from Louisville..even in the 70's were "crying" about not getting the chance to play UK (their Dad's jump in...saying they've ALWAYS wanted to play UK in Football).

But alas..I'm sure you speak for all citizens of Louisville.

My comment was based on personal discussions.

Plus...Coaches Corso and Gibson talked about it many times during their "hay day" at the 'Ville.

Thanks for playing though.

KL

I'm sure your HS Catholic pals don't speak of all of the citizens of Louisville either.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:Don't ucf fans ever get tired of begging USF for games?

No means no...

Tell your Tampa Bay media to keep from "Begging" for the UCF/S. Fla game...The only reason why this is debated is because your media asked O'Leary.

Hey genius: it was the Florida Sportswriters annual media event. Media from all over the country got hear your coach beg for a game.

I'm sure O'Leary won't lose any sleep over not playing the Bulls. We will have our own on-campus stadium in 2007, so the Bulls might be a distant memory by then.

As far as begging goes, your media keeps up the UCF/S. Fla debate going. I can care less....I'd rather go to a more a "College" atmosphere instead of looking at NFL logos all over the field and not a hint of College or Bulls logos.

Good for you, so why are Central Florida fans over here complaining about USF?

CatsClaw Wrote:It is amazing how UC and UL Fans come into the BE a demand a split between BB/FB schools, especially when most of the BB schools have been there longer than one year.

So what. We're part of the conference now and we can say and do what we want. You think about that next time you complain about something in C-USA. You've been in C-USA as long as we have been in the Big East yet you're complaining about things in that conference. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

Keep using UM Football credits to justify in keeping BCS Bid.

Before you come over here talking trash know what you're talking about. The new BCS rotation started in 2004. So it Louisvilles #10 ranking and West Virginia #11 rankings are what count, not Miami's rankings. From 2004 to 2008 is what the Big East will be judged on.

Right now the BE is in CHAOS, just keep bringing UCF as candidate when your split occur, because ND have a sweetheart deal with the BE, Army/Navy does not want to be tied to a conference, Penn State is not leaving the Big 11, and Maryland is not leaving the ACC.

What!?

UCF is the BE's BEST HOPE in keeping their BCS BID.

Please get off the drugs.

Everytime split thread opened, UCF's name comes up about being a candidate. That tell s how much the BE and its fans think of UCF. UCF can not be to weak, when you all want UCF to be part of your split. lmfao UM was in the BE and was losing money, what make you think that USF is making a profit in the BE. lmfao UM Program is more established than USF. USF have alot to lose, they do not want to become the DUKE, Baylor, Vandy, or the NEW RUTGERS of the BE. lmfao

Everytime split thread opened, UCF's name comes up about being a candidate. That tell s how much the BE and its fans think of UCF. UCF can not be to weak, when you all want UCF to be part of your split.

Ummm, yeah, right. Actually East Carolina has been talked about prominently, not Central Florida.

UM was in the BE and was losing money, what make you think that USF is making a profit in the BE.

Maybe because USF doesn't have a buffoon blowing their money like Miami does? What makes you think UCF is making money?

UM Program is more established than USF. USF have alot to lose, they do not want to become the DUKE, Baylor, Vandy, or the NEW RUTGERS of the BE.

So they don't want to become Rutgers, a team that went to a bowl game last year? The old Rutgers became the new Rutgers. So anything is possible. Nobody is going to just sit at the bottom of the Big East because everyone is trying to improve. USF will be fine.

I'm still trying to figure this out, why South Florida HAS to take the game with Central Florida.

CatsClaw Wrote:

UCF_Cardinals Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:Lets get one thing straight. UCF has nothing to lose playing USF. USF, on the other hand, has nothing to gain from the game.

Jim, you're wrong on this one.

While South Florida being a member of the BCS certainly has immediate monetary advantages, that has by NO means catapulted them in public perception to being the #4 football program in Florida. Seems you're assuming they have a grip on that #4 hole.

Fact is, down here in Florida, both the schools are perceived to be in an arms race for that 4th spot. Each school has different advantages; South Florida's primary advantage is that they're BCS. Likewise, UCF has other advantages; and frankly, I think _if_ UCF has a chance to pull away, it won't happen until one year after the on-campus stadium is built, because a huge advantage for UCF is their beautiful campus.

Right now, UCF has 10 verbal commits, and although Rivals doesn't have them ranked as world-beaters, a number of them were offered by South Florida. And verbal athlete Ereck Plancher's cousin is even a South Florida RB. Each of these UCF verbals physically visited the UCF campus this Spring, and believe me, recruits are suprised.

Anyways, BOTH schools have everything to lose; that #4 spot IS at stake just as much for UCF as it is for South Florida. As noted, the game draws BIG money (aka fans), moreso than a Top 25 program rolling into town.

It's all about Risk-Reward. Both schools are guaranteed to lose money w/o the game.

I doubt that South Florida's financial future hinges on playing Central Florida.

Nobody said it did, but this game has both more local fan interest and monetary cash flow for South Florida than South Florida signing a 1 fer 1 with a Top 25 program. Fact. You cannot get around that. That's why the media is picking this story up as "dodgeball."

The way I see it is, South Florida administration is waiting to see the outcome of this years game. If they win, with a 2-0 lead, for recruiting purposes they would rather the series not continue. Because even after last year's blowout, this year South Florida is still losing the recruiting battle to UCF.

p.s. - My girlfriend has her Master's from South Florida. The only South Florida game she's attending is against UCF. Otherwise, she prefers FSU.

UCF_Cardinals Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

UCF_Cardinals Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:Lets get one thing straight. UCF has nothing to lose playing USF. USF, on the other hand, has nothing to gain from the game.

Jim, you're wrong on this one.

While South Florida being a member of the BCS certainly has immediate monetary advantages, that has by NO means catapulted them in public perception to being the #4 football program in Florida. Seems you're assuming they have a grip on that #4 hole.

Fact is, down here in Florida, both the schools are perceived to be in an arms race for that 4th spot. Each school has different advantages; South Florida's primary advantage is that they're BCS. Likewise, UCF has other advantages; and frankly, I think _if_ UCF has a chance to pull away, it won't happen until one year after the on-campus stadium is built, because a huge advantage for UCF is their beautiful campus.

Right now, UCF has 10 verbal commits, and although Rivals doesn't have them ranked as world-beaters, a number of them were offered by South Florida. And verbal athlete Ereck Plancher's cousin is even a South Florida RB. Each of these UCF verbals physically visited the UCF campus this Spring, and believe me, recruits are suprised.

Anyways, BOTH schools have everything to lose; that #4 spot IS at stake just as much for UCF as it is for South Florida. As noted, the game draws BIG money (aka fans), moreso than a Top 25 program rolling into town.

It's all about Risk-Reward. Both schools are guaranteed to lose money w/o the game.

I doubt that South Florida's financial future hinges on playing Central Florida.

Nobody said it did, but this game has both more local fan interest and monetary cash flow for South Florida than South Florida signing a 1 fer 1 with a Top 25 program. Fact. You cannot get around that. That's why the media is picking this story up as "dodgeball."

The way I see it is, South Florida administration is waiting to see the outcome of this years game. If they win, with a 2-0 lead, for recruiting purposes they would rather the series not continue. Because even after last year's blowout, this year South Florida is still losing the recruiting battle to UCF.

p.s. - My girlfriend has her Master's from South Florida. The only South Florida game she's attending is against UCF. Otherwise, she prefers FSU.

I don't buy that at all. South Florida is better off, in the long run, scheduling home-and-home with Top 25 teams. Again, it's amazing that Central Florida fans think that South Florida is "scared" of them. South Florida can do whatever they feel like doing they're not obligated to play Central Florida. If South Florida loses money by not playing UCF that's for them to deal with. They regret not having UCF come and "save" them. And if UCF is outrecruiting South Florida they don't need to play them, they're doing fine.

Cat, your knowledge of Florida College Football seems very limited. There is no Big 4 and won't be for a very long time. If UM agrees to play USF, it won't be a 50/50 type deal, what is in it for UM to do that. Unlike USF, UM is proven on the field. It was not USF that ESPN approached.

As for the Big East expansion, I hope it is ECU, because if the Big East is set on a nine team league, I hope UCF stays out of that.