(12-19-2013 01:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 12:54 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:40 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Apparently, marijuana use among children is spiking and is a growing social problem.

This on the heels of a new study proving heavy marijuana use among teens causes poor memory and abnormal brain structure.

Obviously the so called drug war has not worked. Any ideas on how to decrease teenage use? What about legalizing for adults it in limited quantities, ie sell it behind the counter at the pharmacy with limits like Sudafed? That would take out the vast majority of the black market and make it difficult for kids to legally buy.

Probably the same way we stop teen alcohol consumption - which we don't on either front. Honestly, I think that parents just paying attention would curb the use of both. Kids that are drinking or getting high every day have to have parent(s) that pay no attention to what their kids are doing. Drunk or High is not that hard to spot- especially for those that are inexperienced dealing with either.

A Friday night bender for either is way harder to catch IF the kid has some sense and doesn't drive around town messed up. IMO, the occasional drunk/high that teens are apt to engage in isn't really where the problems lie. You just hope they get sick/paranoid enough from doing either that it is a limited occurrence.

Agree completely... that isn't the problem and in this sense, I don't think alcohol is as big of a problem. Not many kids drink every day and not many kids show up to school drunk. Binge drinking and resulting actions are a problem, but pot abuse is a much bigger problem developmentally in my opinion. Pot is more of a "lifestyle" drug for kids.

As someone who has been drunk and been high, I can say with out a doubt the alcohol has a FAR more detructive affect on kids than pot.

The strongest pot on the earth will NEVER be as strong as a pint of Jack Daniels or Jim Beam.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

as someone who smoked pot everyday for 10 years in my past, I can assure you that it is addictive, damages your lungs, causes chemical imbalances in your body and damages your psyche.
The way it is administered also causes cancer. It's extremely harmful to the body and mind. When kids become regular users, it cause developmental brain damage.

I've listened to all the pot-head revelations about how pot cures this and that, and how hemp is the secret to a sustainable society. Non of it is based in medical truths.

Ciggs are MUCH more addictive than pot and have the same effects on your lungs, chemical imbalances and is WAY more cancerous.

Matter of fact, there are NUMEROUS added chemical substances to ciggs that are FAR worse for the body then cannibas.

I'm not arguing that pot is all good, lets not take the argument there. I'm just trying to add some perpective to the discussion.

(12-19-2013 01:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 12:56 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 12:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 12:52 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Maybe things have changed, but it wasn't easy to get when I was in high school. It wasn't impossible by any means, but you had to hit the phones hard and put yourself out there and roll with the chances of getting ratted out, which was a death knell for those of us with parents that cared (and these were the parents of the Reagan Just Say No revolution).

That said, an adult taking a one hitter and watching Lord of the Rings on a Friday night is not the same as high schoolers abusing it. I can live with legalization, but we do need to recognize that a school culture of pot abuse is unacceptable.

I agree


But when we start pointing to studies about the effects of pot on teenagers, you have to keep it in proper prospective.

High sugar intake has a MUCH worse affect on brain development in teens.

???

I'm sorry if it doesn't fit your narritive, but its a fact.

Study diabetes in children, high sugar diets and its effects on brain development.

It makes pot look like vegetables.

I don't have a narrative. If you read my comments I am pretty open minded about pot legalization, but I'm not going to go along with your view that it is somehow not destructive to abuse it and that abuse is not a problem with kids. I would bet my house that chronic pot abuse (not talking weekend warriors) is much more destructive to adolescent brain development than high sugar.

That good because I said NO SUCH THING and it was incredibally dishonest for you to suggest I did.

We both know you are better than that.

(12-19-2013 01:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 12:54 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:40 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Apparently, marijuana use among children is spiking and is a growing social problem.

This on the heels of a new study proving heavy marijuana use among teens causes poor memory and abnormal brain structure.

Obviously the so called drug war has not worked. Any ideas on how to decrease teenage use? What about legalizing for adults it in limited quantities, ie sell it behind the counter at the pharmacy with limits like Sudafed? That would take out the vast majority of the black market and make it difficult for kids to legally buy.

Probably the same way we stop teen alcohol consumption - which we don't on either front. Honestly, I think that parents just paying attention would curb the use of both. Kids that are drinking or getting high every day have to have parent(s) that pay no attention to what their kids are doing. Drunk or High is not that hard to spot- especially for those that are inexperienced dealing with either.

A Friday night bender for either is way harder to catch IF the kid has some sense and doesn't drive around town messed up. IMO, the occasional drunk/high that teens are apt to engage in isn't really where the problems lie. You just hope they get sick/paranoid enough from doing either that it is a limited occurrence.

Agree completely... that isn't the problem and in this sense, I don't think alcohol is as big of a problem. Not many kids drink every day and not many kids show up to school drunk. Binge drinking and resulting actions are a problem, but pot abuse is a much bigger problem developmentally in my opinion. Pot is more of a "lifestyle" drug for kids.

As someone who has been drunk and been high, I can say with out a doubt the alcohol has a FAR more detructive affect on kids than pot.

The strongest pot on the earth will NEVER be as strong as a pint of Jack Daniels or Jim Beam.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

as someone who smoked pot everyday for 10 years in my past, I can assure you that it is addictive, damages your lungs, causes chemical imbalances in your body and damages your psyche.

The way it is administered also causes cancer. It's extremely harmful to the body and mind. When kids become regular users, it cause developmental brain damage.

I've listened to all the pot-head revelations about how pot cures this and that, and how hemp is the secret to a sustainable society. Non of it is based in medical truths.

Yeah, I only smoked it everyday for about a year and a half (2nd semester freshman year through the end of my sophomore year of college), but I pretty much came up with the same conclusion. I had to quit because my GPA was a 2.03 and the 'rents almost pulled me. Amazing how much easier school became afterward and how much more I got out of my 9:00 AM class when I hadn't just pulled a 'wake n bake'.

(12-19-2013 01:05 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 01:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 12:54 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:40 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Probably the same way we stop teen alcohol consumption - which we don't on either front. Honestly, I think that parents just paying attention would curb the use of both. Kids that are drinking or getting high every day have to have parent(s) that pay no attention to what their kids are doing. Drunk or High is not that hard to spot- especially for those that are inexperienced dealing with either.

A Friday night bender for either is way harder to catch IF the kid has some sense and doesn't drive around town messed up. IMO, the occasional drunk/high that teens are apt to engage in isn't really where the problems lie. You just hope they get sick/paranoid enough from doing either that it is a limited occurrence.

Agree completely... that isn't the problem and in this sense, I don't think alcohol is as big of a problem. Not many kids drink every day and not many kids show up to school drunk. Binge drinking and resulting actions are a problem, but pot abuse is a much bigger problem developmentally in my opinion. Pot is more of a "lifestyle" drug for kids.

As someone who has been drunk and been high, I can say with out a doubt the alcohol has a FAR more detructive affect on kids than pot.

The strongest pot on the earth will NEVER be as strong as a pint of Jack Daniels or Jim Beam.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

as someone who smoked pot everyday for 10 years in my past, I can assure you that it is addictive, damages your lungs, causes chemical imbalances in your body and damages your psyche.
The way it is administered also causes cancer. It's extremely harmful to the body and mind. When kids become regular users, it cause developmental brain damage.

I've listened to all the pot-head revelations about how pot cures this and that, and how hemp is the secret to a sustainable society. Non of it is based in medical truths.

Ciggs are MUCH more addictive than pot and have the same effects on your lungs, chemical imbalances and is WAY more cancerous.

Matter of fact, there are NUMEROUS added chemical substances to ciggs that are FAR worse for the body then cannibas.

I'm not arguing that pot is all good, lets not take the argument there. I'm just trying to add some perpective to the discussion.

Cigs are awful for you, but they are not a mind altering drug. Stupid comparison. I could step out for a smoke right now, come back in, and still produce good work. If I stepped out for a one-hitter right now, I might as well go home.

(12-19-2013 01:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 01:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 12:54 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:40 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Probably the same way we stop teen alcohol consumption - which we don't on either front. Honestly, I think that parents just paying attention would curb the use of both. Kids that are drinking or getting high every day have to have parent(s) that pay no attention to what their kids are doing. Drunk or High is not that hard to spot- especially for those that are inexperienced dealing with either.

A Friday night bender for either is way harder to catch IF the kid has some sense and doesn't drive around town messed up. IMO, the occasional drunk/high that teens are apt to engage in isn't really where the problems lie. You just hope they get sick/paranoid enough from doing either that it is a limited occurrence.

Agree completely... that isn't the problem and in this sense, I don't think alcohol is as big of a problem. Not many kids drink every day and not many kids show up to school drunk. Binge drinking and resulting actions are a problem, but pot abuse is a much bigger problem developmentally in my opinion. Pot is more of a "lifestyle" drug for kids.

As someone who has been drunk and been high, I can say with out a doubt the alcohol has a FAR more detructive affect on kids than pot.

The strongest pot on the earth will NEVER be as strong as a pint of Jack Daniels or Jim Beam.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

as someone who smoked pot everyday for 10 years in my past, I can assure you that it is addictive, damages your lungs, causes chemical imbalances in your body and damages your psyche.

The way it is administered also causes cancer. It's extremely harmful to the body and mind. When kids become regular users, it cause developmental brain damage.

I've listened to all the pot-head revelations about how pot cures this and that, and how hemp is the secret to a sustainable society. Non of it is based in medical truths.

Yeah, I only smoked it everyday for about a year and a half (2nd semester freshman year through the end of my sophomore year of college), but I pretty much came up with the same conclusion. I had to quit because my GPA was a 2.03 and the 'rents almost pulled me. Amazing how much easier school became afterward and how much more I got out of my 9:00 AM class when I hadn't just pulled a 'wake n bake'.

And that should be every Americans CHOICE to use it or not use it.

BTW- what were your test scores after a night of binge drinking?

Should alcohol now be made illegal too? After all, its "alters the mind".

God only knows how high college GPA's would be without any alcohol.

(12-19-2013 01:11 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 01:05 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 01:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 12:54 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Agree completely... that isn't the problem and in this sense, I don't think alcohol is as big of a problem. Not many kids drink every day and not many kids show up to school drunk. Binge drinking and resulting actions are a problem, but pot abuse is a much bigger problem developmentally in my opinion. Pot is more of a "lifestyle" drug for kids.

As someone who has been drunk and been high, I can say with out a doubt the alcohol has a FAR more detructive affect on kids than pot.

The strongest pot on the earth will NEVER be as strong as a pint of Jack Daniels or Jim Beam.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

as someone who smoked pot everyday for 10 years in my past, I can assure you that it is addictive, damages your lungs, causes chemical imbalances in your body and damages your psyche.
The way it is administered also causes cancer. It's extremely harmful to the body and mind. When kids become regular users, it cause developmental brain damage.

I've listened to all the pot-head revelations about how pot cures this and that, and how hemp is the secret to a sustainable society. Non of it is based in medical truths.

Ciggs are MUCH more addictive than pot and have the same effects on your lungs, chemical imbalances and is WAY more cancerous.

Matter of fact, there are NUMEROUS added chemical substances to ciggs that are FAR worse for the body then cannibas.

I'm not arguing that pot is all good, lets not take the argument there. I'm just trying to add some perpective to the discussion.

Cigs are awful for you, but they are not a mind altering drug. Stupid comparison. I could step out for a smoke right now, come back in, and still produce good work. If I stepped out for a one-hitter right now, I might as well go home.

There was nothing "stupid" about the comparison at all.

There were multiple points about it being addictive, altering body chemicals, damaging lungs, cancer....

All these apply to both and most of them are worse in ciggs.

Pointing to the stronger mind altering effects of cannibis doesn't make any of these points "stupid".

Lets not start that kind of stuff.

(12-19-2013 01:11 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 01:05 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 01:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 12:54 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Agree completely... that isn't the problem and in this sense, I don't think alcohol is as big of a problem. Not many kids drink every day and not many kids show up to school drunk. Binge drinking and resulting actions are a problem, but pot abuse is a much bigger problem developmentally in my opinion. Pot is more of a "lifestyle" drug for kids.

As someone who has been drunk and been high, I can say with out a doubt the alcohol has a FAR more detructive affect on kids than pot.

The strongest pot on the earth will NEVER be as strong as a pint of Jack Daniels or Jim Beam.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

as someone who smoked pot everyday for 10 years in my past, I can assure you that it is addictive, damages your lungs, causes chemical imbalances in your body and damages your psyche.
The way it is administered also causes cancer. It's extremely harmful to the body and mind. When kids become regular users, it cause developmental brain damage.

I've listened to all the pot-head revelations about how pot cures this and that, and how hemp is the secret to a sustainable society. Non of it is based in medical truths.

Ciggs are MUCH more addictive than pot and have the same effects on your lungs, chemical imbalances and is WAY more cancerous.

Matter of fact, there are NUMEROUS added chemical substances to ciggs that are FAR worse for the body then cannibas.

I'm not arguing that pot is all good, lets not take the argument there. I'm just trying to add some perpective to the discussion.

Cigs are awful for you, but they are not a mind altering drug. Stupid comparison. I could step out for a smoke right now, come back in, and still produce good work. If I stepped out for a one-hitter right now, I might as well go home.

One hit of pot and you would need to go home for the day?

LOLOLOLOLOL

I wouldn't even be able to tell I smoked anything at all from 1 single hit. And I'm as clean as you are.

Furthermore, who the hell is advocating smoking pot at work?

I don't think Whisky should be illegal, but that doesn't mean you should drink it at work.

(12-18-2013 03:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Apparently, marijuana use among children is spiking and is a growing social problem.

This on the heels of a new study proving heavy marijuana use among teens causes poor memory and abnormal brain structure.

Obviously the so called drug war has not worked. Any ideas on how to decrease teenage use? What about legalizing for adults it in limited quantities, ie sell it behind the counter at the pharmacy with limits like Sudafed? That would take out the vast majority of the black market and make it difficult for kids to legally buy.

Get them addicted to meth?

(12-19-2013 01:05 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 01:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 12:54 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:53 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 03:40 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Probably the same way we stop teen alcohol consumption - which we don't on either front. Honestly, I think that parents just paying attention would curb the use of both. Kids that are drinking or getting high every day have to have parent(s) that pay no attention to what their kids are doing. Drunk or High is not that hard to spot- especially for those that are inexperienced dealing with either.

A Friday night bender for either is way harder to catch IF the kid has some sense and doesn't drive around town messed up. IMO, the occasional drunk/high that teens are apt to engage in isn't really where the problems lie. You just hope they get sick/paranoid enough from doing either that it is a limited occurrence.

Agree completely... that isn't the problem and in this sense, I don't think alcohol is as big of a problem. Not many kids drink every day and not many kids show up to school drunk. Binge drinking and resulting actions are a problem, but pot abuse is a much bigger problem developmentally in my opinion. Pot is more of a "lifestyle" drug for kids.

As someone who has been drunk and been high, I can say with out a doubt the alcohol has a FAR more detructive affect on kids than pot.

The strongest pot on the earth will NEVER be as strong as a pint of Jack Daniels or Jim Beam.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

as someone who smoked pot everyday for 10 years in my past, I can assure you that it is addictive, damages your lungs, causes chemical imbalances in your body and damages your psyche.
The way it is administered also causes cancer. It's extremely harmful to the body and mind. When kids become regular users, it cause developmental brain damage.

I've listened to all the pot-head revelations about how pot cures this and that, and how hemp is the secret to a sustainable society. Non of it is based in medical truths.

Ciggs are MUCH more addictive than pot and have the same effects on your lungs, chemical imbalances and is WAY more cancerous.

Matter of fact, there are NUMEROUS added chemical substances to ciggs that are FAR worse for the body then cannibas.

I'm not arguing that pot is all good, lets not take the argument there. I'm just trying to add some perpective to the discussion.

So you are suggesting that marijuana is a alternative to cigarettes? That doesn't make any sense.

Actually, there is much more tar in cannabis smoke. The only benefit to smoking pot is that you typically smoke less? That is if you are an occasional user. A daily user is putting more tar in their lungs than a daily cigarette only smoker. Fact. Many pot smokers also smoke tobacco. For those who do, they affects of marijuana typically cause them to smoke more.

This pot is better argument is full of fallacies and half truths. Anything in moderation is probably not going to kill you, but to suggest that chronic pot use is better than chronic alcohol use is false. You are just damaging different parts of the body.

(12-19-2013 12:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Decriminalization only puts more addicts, and the social problems in their wake. on the streets.

I'll say it again, Portugal decriminalized 10 years ago and they have cut their addiction rates in half. You are wrong. Again.

Quote:I just don't buy the theory of masses of non-violent users currently behind bars. I know of not a single person that has been arrested for smoking a J in the privacy of their home. They are usually charged with possession as a result of what is found on them in a secondary crime.

Again, facts show that you are wrong. But you've never been one to consider facts and reason.

Being charged with possession while stopped for a busted tail light is still non-violent. The only way it becomes violent is when there's .... violence .... involved. If your friend were pulled over and the cop found marajuana on them, they'd go to jail, and if it were more than just a joint, they'd be going to prison, for a long time, on a mandatory minimum sentence. No violence involved.

(12-19-2013 02:15 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 12:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Decriminalization only puts more addicts, and the social problems in their wake. on the streets.

I'll say it again, Portugal decriminalized 10 years ago and they have cut their addiction rates in half. You are wrong. Again.

Quote:I just don't buy the theory of masses of non-violent users currently behind bars. I know of not a single person that has been arrested for smoking a J in the privacy of their home. They are usually charged with possession as a result of what is found on them in a secondary crime.

Again, facts show that you are wrong. But you've never been one to consider facts and reason.

Being charged with possession while stopped for a busted tail light is still non-violent. The only way it becomes violent is when there's .... violence .... involved. If your friend were pulled over and the cop found marajuana on them, they'd go to jail, and if it were more than just a joint, they'd be going to prison, for a long time, on a mandatory minimum sentence. No violence involved.

You are wrong. Most possession charges are dropped of have reduced sentence(usually probation and drug awareness classes) Less than 2 percent of drug offenders in prison are there because they were caught with a personal stash.

The overwhelming majority are repeat offenders and high volume traffickers.

(12-19-2013 02:20 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  The overwhelming majority are repeat offenders and high volume traffickers.

Source?

... and are they violent or non-violent?