(11-10-2013 01:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  UConn-SMU

You would also profit by reading these reports: http://mup.asu.edu/research.html

These reports aggregate and measure research at American Universities. It's difficult to fudge or game these numbers. Using 2010 as an example,

The Big 10's Insitutions ranked as follows for public university research spending:

4 Illinois
5 Michigan
7 Wisky
9 Ohio State
10 PSU
11 Minnesota
19 Maryland
20 Michigan State
21 Purdue
22 Iowa
25 Rutgers
62 Nebraska

The ACC's public intuitions ranked:

6 UNC
8 GT
12 Pitt
31 NC State
40 VT
41 FSU
64 Clemson
Unranked - Louisville

*GT, NC State and VT have achieved their rankings without a medical school.

UConn is 61, ahead of Nebraska, but behind all other B10 schools.

On the private side of things, Duke is 2, ND 24, Miami 29 and little WF is 36. BC and Syracuse are unranked. So they are effectively falling somewhere in the 40's or higher.

My point, which is supported by empirical evidence, is that UConn is unlike other B10 schools in its basic nature and from an academic standpoint would fall in the bottom of the B10, although higher than Nebraska.

UConn is small compare to B10 schools, more the size of an ACC school, however if you want to be seen in the B10 mold, you have to press graduate research and press it HARD. You would need to be more like Georgia Tech, and less like Wake Forest, and that's not a dig a Wake. Wake is an undergraduate institution and the Med School and the Law School, they have never tried to be all things which is one of the reasons they have perhaps the best undergraduate EXPERIENCE in the ACC.

You should also realize that those in the 50-100 rankings have as much chance of substantially moving up as a snowball lasting a week in Hell. To move up, someone must move down. When you look ahead on these lists, who are you realistically going to jump?

At NC State we have a cadre of folks who ***** and complain that NC State is not a consistent top 50 in all measures. Without a medical school, and a law school, and a nursing school, and school of public health, and growing from about 38K students to 55K students it's not feasible unless we have a certain donor give us a billion of his dollars.

My point is you can forget passing the Ivy League, B10, Pac12 research powerhouses for at least the next 70-100 years. That alone is 25 or so spots, that's before you hit UNC, Pitt, UVa, Texas, TAMU, Florida, GT, etc., etc.

The State of Connecticut announced a new $2 billion commitment to UConn for research back in July or August.

All trends at UConn are up ... except for football.

(11-10-2013 12:45 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 08:35 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  No you would be tied at the bottom with Nebraska. B10 schools don't measure each other with input metrics used by US News, they compare based on ARWU rankings - after all they are graduate research institutions not undergraduate colleges:

World Wide:

17 Wisky
18 UM
19 Illinois
21 Minnesota
22 Northwestern
29 Maryland
37 PSU
38 Purdue
39 Rutgers
41 Ohio State
47 Indiana
50 Michigan State
53-67 Iowa
86-108 Nebraska

UConn 86-108

99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

You obviously have issues with UConn's improved academic status (the #14 public FBS school). You can't argue with stats like SAT scores, rates of admission, and spending on research.

Keep fighting the good fight, my friend. Go ACC!

Public FBS schools:

1) Cal
2) UCLA
3) Virginia
4) Michigan
5) North Carolina
6) Georgia Tech
7) Penn State
8) Illinois, Wisconsin
10) Florida
11) Ohio State
12) Texas
13) Washington
14) UConn
15) Georgia

You poor delusional fellow, US News' rankings are easy to game. No less an institution than Emory was caught at it last year. All you have to go is gin up applications and then ask those that matriculate to re-take the SAT and two sets of actions you have gamed 40% of the US News Rankings. Staying small also allows you to game those rankings. Nothing in US News' rankings say anything about the quality of the education or more particularly as relates to the B10, the graduate/research component of the University.

B10 schools are graduate student, graduate, research oriented institutions. UConn, while a very good university, is not. UConn is much more similar to Wake Forest, or Notre Dame, or BC. Indeed, your biggest "graduate" component (your medical campus) is not even located on the main campus in Storrs but on the east side of Hartford.

Now it's no shame to be a top 100 university in the United States as you seem to feel. However to claim that you are in the middle of B10 universities is to claim that you are somehow a top 50 institution which you are not.

However if you think the B10 schools see you like they see themselves, you are just wrong.

Furthermore, making a claim regarding academic excellence based on the demographics of high school seniors is a little silly don't you think? For instance, how many public Universities are there in Connecticut? What choices do Connecticut's students have for a public cost education? Perhaps your recent improvement in admissions statistics is an economic anomaly.

It would not at all be inaccurate to say that UConn is probably a 75-100 university in the United States and that's not bad, however when you claim to be in the middle of B10, and the middle of the B10 is closer to 45 than 75, you are in essence puffing up UConn at least the equivalent of one standard deviation.

Speaking on behalf of people who hate UConn, you have next level hate.

(11-10-2013 10:18 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 12:45 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 08:35 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

You obviously have issues with UConn's improved academic status (the #14 public FBS school). You can't argue with stats like SAT scores, rates of admission, and spending on research.

Keep fighting the good fight, my friend. Go ACC!

Public FBS schools:

1) Cal
2) UCLA
3) Virginia
4) Michigan
5) North Carolina
6) Georgia Tech
7) Penn State
8) Illinois, Wisconsin
10) Florida
11) Ohio State
12) Texas
13) Washington
14) UConn
15) Georgia

You poor delusional fellow, US News' rankings are easy to game. No less an institution than Emory was caught at it last year. All you have to go is gin up applications and then ask those that matriculate to re-take the SAT and two sets of actions you have gamed 40% of the US News Rankings. Staying small also allows you to game those rankings. Nothing in US News' rankings say anything about the quality of the education or more particularly as relates to the B10, the graduate/research component of the University.

B10 schools are graduate student, graduate, research oriented institutions. UConn, while a very good university, is not. UConn is much more similar to Wake Forest, or Notre Dame, or BC. Indeed, your biggest "graduate" component (your medical campus) is not even located on the main campus in Storrs but on the east side of Hartford.

Now it's no shame to be a top 100 university in the United States as you seem to feel. However to claim that you are in the middle of B10 universities is to claim that you are somehow a top 50 institution which you are not.

However if you think the B10 schools see you like they see themselves, you are just wrong.

Furthermore, making a claim regarding academic excellence based on the demographics of high school seniors is a little silly don't you think? For instance, how many public Universities are there in Connecticut? What choices do Connecticut's students have for a public cost education? Perhaps your recent improvement in admissions statistics is an economic anomaly.

It would not at all be inaccurate to say that UConn is probably a 75-100 university in the United States and that's not bad, however when you claim to be in the middle of B10, and the middle of the B10 is closer to 45 than 75, you are in essence puffing up UConn at least the equivalent of one standard deviation.

Speaking on behalf of people who hate UConn, you have next level hate.

Everybody hates UConn and I have no idea why. It's a good school that's had fewer problems with the NCAA than most schools.

But if you post anything about UConn (good or bad), there will be over 100 responses on this board within a few hours. It's comical.

(11-09-2013 11:44 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:37 PM)The Turk Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  No you would be tied at the bottom with Nebraska. B10 schools don't measure each other with input metrics used by US News, they compare based on ARWU rankings - after all they are graduate research institutions not undergraduate colleges:

World Wide:

17 Wisky
18 UM
19 Illinois
21 Minnesota
22 Northwestern
29 Maryland
37 PSU
38 Purdue
39 Rutgers
41 Ohio State
47 Indiana
50 Michigan State
53-67 Iowa
86-108 Nebraska

UConn 86-108

99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

When I grew up, in New England, Uconn wasn't a great school. It probably wasn't even a good school... was certainly behind UVM and also behind probably at least one of the other New England flagships. What they've done in the past 20 years on the academic side is amazing. This is a region where up until recently, for anyone to go to a state school, even a flagship like Uconn, well that was a safety school, nothing more.

They're now an elite-ish school, to the point where it's probably more prestigious for a kid from VT to go to UConn than it is the reverse. The state has invested in them to a huge extent. Aside from building out the tiny road out to Storrs, I'm not sure they could have done more. Keep in mind, even in bball, Uconn was nothing until 1990 or so.

25 years ago, no one would have thought twice about leaving them out of a major conference, but if picks were being made today, they're probably picked in the top 30-40 based on academics, athletics, potential success, non rev sports, etc.

And i hate UConn and think their fanbase is delusional in general.

I guess in 10 years, when UConn has finally hired enough academics to suck off the teet of we taxpayers to be able to achieve ARWU status, they'll make it in. Whatever

Delaney would have found all kinds of seats to sit in at UConn had he visited this weekend, as they had an almost empty stadium.

Maryland outdrew UConn in Brooklyn for hoops too last Friday. UConn Internet fans are delusional.

(11-06-2013 07:17 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 07:08 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  Id love them to take Virginia and North Carolina.

It would be even be better if they expanded all the way to 20.

I'd hate it. Already dislike the fact, they are turning this Midwestern conference into a northern one. Let's at least keep some regional identity. Otherwise what's the point in rooting for Big Ten teams out of conference.

That is becoming a problem for the B1G, I agree.

Another problem is the clustering of historically second tier power conference football programs in the B1G. Adding Virginia and North Carolina makes for more deadwood in the B1G football conference. Minnesota is 8-2 and not ranked in the AP poll.

(11-11-2013 03:30 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  That is becoming a problem for the B1G, I agree.

Another problem is the clustering of historically second tier power conference football programs in the B1G. Adding Virginia and North Carolina makes for more deadwood in the B1G football conference. Minnesota is 8-2 and not ranked in the AP poll.

I agree.

Adding schools like that would be deadwood. Even adding Kansas would create the same problem.

The Buffalo talk needs to stop. There is no way they leave the MAC right now. 20 years from now might be a different story.

UCONN talk needs to stop. I have nothing against them, but the fans of UCONN put themselves in expansion talks every chance they get. You are what you are right now. If you are only talking about the Football side, at the moment it is more of the same(see the Kansas comment).

UMASS? Stop the madness on that one

Norte Dame was mentioned earlier in this thread. Let me tell you why they will never happen. The rich donors and alums will NEVER let it happen. They went to the ACC because it was the deal they wanted, not the other way around.

Who does that leave? Not many schools.

(11-11-2013 02:19 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:44 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:37 PM)The Turk Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

When I grew up, in New England, Uconn wasn't a great school. It probably wasn't even a good school... was certainly behind UVM and also behind probably at least one of the other New England flagships. What they've done in the past 20 years on the academic side is amazing. This is a region where up until recently, for anyone to go to a state school, even a flagship like Uconn, well that was a safety school, nothing more.

They're now an elite-ish school, to the point where it's probably more prestigious for a kid from VT to go to UConn than it is the reverse. The state has invested in them to a huge extent. Aside from building out the tiny road out to Storrs, I'm not sure they could have done more. Keep in mind, even in bball, Uconn was nothing until 1990 or so.

25 years ago, no one would have thought twice about leaving them out of a major conference, but if picks were being made today, they're probably picked in the top 30-40 based on academics, athletics, potential success, non rev sports, etc.

And i hate UConn and think their fanbase is delusional in general.

I guess in 10 years, when UConn has finally hired enough academics to suck off the teet of we taxpayers to be able to achieve ARWU status, they'll make it in. Whatever

Delaney would have found all kinds of seats to sit in at UConn had he visited this weekend, as they had an almost empty stadium.

Maryland outdrew UConn in Brooklyn for hoops too last Friday. UConn Internet fans are delusional.

I heard a lot more noise from UConn fans than Maryland fans on the TV. But I wasn't in the building, so I don't know for sure.

(11-09-2013 11:44 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:37 PM)The Turk Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  No you would be tied at the bottom with Nebraska. B10 schools don't measure each other with input metrics used by US News, they compare based on ARWU rankings - after all they are graduate research institutions not undergraduate colleges:

World Wide:

17 Wisky
18 UM
19 Illinois
21 Minnesota
22 Northwestern
29 Maryland
37 PSU
38 Purdue
39 Rutgers
41 Ohio State
47 Indiana
50 Michigan State
53-67 Iowa
86-108 Nebraska

UConn 86-108

99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

When I grew up, in New England, Uconn wasn't a great school. It probably wasn't even a good school... was certainly behind UVM and also behind probably at least one of the other New England flagships. What they've done in the past 20 years on the academic side is amazing. This is a region where up until recently, for anyone to go to a state school, even a flagship like Uconn, well that was a safety school, nothing more.

They're now an elite-ish school, to the point where it's probably more prestigious for a kid from VT to go to UConn than it is the reverse. The state has invested in them to a huge extent. Aside from building out the tiny road out to Storrs, I'm not sure they could have done more. Keep in mind, even in bball, Uconn was nothing until 1990 or so.

25 years ago, no one would have thought twice about leaving them out of a major conference, but if picks were being made today, they're probably picked in the top 30-40 based on academics, athletics, potential success, non rev sports, etc.

And i hate UConn and think their fanbase is delusional in general.

I guess in 10 years, when UConn has finally hired enough academics to suck off the teet of we taxpayers to be able to achieve ARWU status, they'll make it in. Whatever

Delaney would have found all kinds of seats to sit in at UConn had he visited this weekend, as they had an almost empty stadium.

UConn sold 27K tickets for Louisville, even though there was bad weather, the team is 0-8, and it has the worst offense in FBS (). There were far more empty seats at Va Tech-Miami than at UConn. The ushers outnumbered the fans in Miami ... and Miami was ranked!

(11-10-2013 10:18 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 12:45 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 08:35 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

You obviously have issues with UConn's improved academic status (the #14 public FBS school). You can't argue with stats like SAT scores, rates of admission, and spending on research.

Keep fighting the good fight, my friend. Go ACC!

Public FBS schools:

1) Cal
2) UCLA
3) Virginia
4) Michigan
5) North Carolina
6) Georgia Tech
7) Penn State
8) Illinois, Wisconsin
10) Florida
11) Ohio State
12) Texas
13) Washington
14) UConn
15) Georgia

You poor delusional fellow, US News' rankings are easy to game. No less an institution than Emory was caught at it last year. All you have to go is gin up applications and then ask those that matriculate to re-take the SAT and two sets of actions you have gamed 40% of the US News Rankings. Staying small also allows you to game those rankings. Nothing in US News' rankings say anything about the quality of the education or more particularly as relates to the B10, the graduate/research component of the University.

B10 schools are graduate student, graduate, research oriented institutions. UConn, while a very good university, is not. UConn is much more similar to Wake Forest, or Notre Dame, or BC. Indeed, your biggest "graduate" component (your medical campus) is not even located on the main campus in Storrs but on the east side of Hartford.

Now it's no shame to be a top 100 university in the United States as you seem to feel. However to claim that you are in the middle of B10 universities is to claim that you are somehow a top 50 institution which you are not.

However if you think the B10 schools see you like they see themselves, you are just wrong.

Furthermore, making a claim regarding academic excellence based on the demographics of high school seniors is a little silly don't you think? For instance, how many public Universities are there in Connecticut? What choices do Connecticut's students have for a public cost education? Perhaps your recent improvement in admissions statistics is an economic anomaly.

It would not at all be inaccurate to say that UConn is probably a 75-100 university in the United States and that's not bad, however when you claim to be in the middle of B10, and the middle of the B10 is closer to 45 than 75, you are in essence puffing up UConn at least the equivalent of one standard deviation.

Speaking on behalf of people who hate UConn, you have next level hate.

Since when do facts equal hate?

The original poster's premise was that UConn was in the academic middle of the Big 10. I pointed out they are at the bottom of the Big 10. The academic bottom of the B10 is not bad, but it's not the middle.

At its size, with its history, with its mission, and with its organization, UConn is NOT ABLE to get into the middle of the B10 from an academic standpoint, not because UConn stinks, but because the B10 and the others ahead of UConn are so good at what they do that they are not going to fade away.

Understanding the academic nature of your own institution is key to understanding your conference on the athletic field - there is a correlation and reason why for instance ACC schools and SEC schools are where they are.

(11-09-2013 11:37 PM)The Turk Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 08:43 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Does your school qualify? Where did you go to school? Did you go to college?

You gotta love posters that have no affiliation but like to mock everyone else's school.

BTW, if UConn did receive a Big 10 invitation along with Kansas or Missouri, UConn would be in the top half of the Big 10 academically.

No you would be tied at the bottom with Nebraska. B10 schools don't measure each other with input metrics used by US News, they compare based on ARWU rankings - after all they are graduate research institutions not undergraduate colleges:

World Wide:

17 Wisky
18 UM
19 Illinois
21 Minnesota
22 Northwestern
29 Maryland
37 PSU
38 Purdue
39 Rutgers
41 Ohio State
47 Indiana
50 Michigan State
53-67 Iowa
86-108 Nebraska

UConn 86-108

99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

When I grew up, in New England, Uconn wasn't a great school. It probably wasn't even a good school... was certainly behind UVM and also behind probably at least one of the other New England flagships. What they've done in the past 20 years on the academic side is amazing. This is a region where up until recently, for anyone to go to a state school, even a flagship like Uconn, well that was a safety school, nothing more.

They're now an elite-ish school, to the point where it's probably more prestigious for a kid from VT to go to UConn than it is the reverse. The state has invested in them to a huge extent. Aside from building out the tiny road out to Storrs, I'm not sure they could have done more. Keep in mind, even in bball, Uconn was nothing until 1990 or so.

25 years ago, no one would have thought twice about leaving them out of a major conference, but if picks were being made today, they're probably picked in the top 30-40 based on academics, athletics, potential success, non rev sports, etc.

And i hate UConn and think their fanbase is delusional in general.

I guess in 10 years, when UConn has finally hired enough academics to suck off the teet of we taxpayers to be able to achieve ARWU status, they'll make it in. Whatever

UConn was always a "good" school. Back in the early 1980's (when I was there) it was the #2 state school in New England, behind UVM. In fact, I was accepted at Syracuse & UConn ... but I was denied admission to UVM.

Now UConn is the unquestioned #1 public school in New England, and the #14 public FBS school.

(11-11-2013 08:40 AM)lance99 Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 03:30 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  That is becoming a problem for the B1G, I agree.

Another problem is the clustering of historically second tier power conference football programs in the B1G. Adding Virginia and North Carolina makes for more deadwood in the B1G football conference. Minnesota is 8-2 and not ranked in the AP poll.

I agree.

Adding schools like that would be deadwood. Even adding Kansas would create the same problem.

The Buffalo talk needs to stop. There is no way they leave the MAC right now. 20 years from now might be a different story.

UCONN talk needs to stop. I have nothing against them, but the fans of UCONN put themselves in expansion talks every chance they get. You are what you are right now. If you are only talking about the Football side, at the moment it is more of the same(see the Kansas comment).

UMASS? Stop the madness on that one

Norte Dame was mentioned earlier in this thread. Let me tell you why they will never happen. The rich donors and alums will NEVER let it happen. They went to the ACC because it was the deal they wanted, not the other way around.

Who does that leave? Not many schools.

What happens on this board is:

1) Someone (not a UConn fan) brings up realignment and mentions UConn.

2) UConn haters tear apart UConn and basically say we're just another Youngstown State or Troy.

3) UConn fans defend UConn and are blamed for being crazy and a bunch of jerks.

4) A week goes by and the process begins again.

UC-SM

How do you think us Buffalo fans feel?

(11-11-2013 02:38 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  UC-SM

How do you think us Buffalo fans feel?

I actually want Buffalo in the Big Ten, if it's any consolation.

Sent from my LG-VM696 using Tapatalk 2

(11-11-2013 02:44 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 02:38 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  UC-SM

How do you think us Buffalo fans feel?

I actually want Buffalo in the Big Ten, if it's any consolation.

Sent from my LG-VM696 using Tapatalk 2

I am so confused... Why Buffalo? And a why a Sparty fan in Dexter?

I have never witnessed as much "piss and vinegar" (pardon the Southern expression) over a situation as I have with the Connecticut inclusion issue. I chalked some of it up to ACC/Big East/ACC issues and some of it to realignment angst. I think all of that is irrelevant and that in the end, whenever and however that comes, that UConn will be in an upper tier conference. Their football was on a definite upswing until the coaching change and the basketball product is too valuable to leave behind.

Poor UConn takes a real beating from a lot of posters.

(11-11-2013 02:13 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:37 PM)The Turk Wrote:  [quote='lumberpack4' pid='9981611' dateline='1384057161']
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UConn was always a "good" school. Back in the early 1980's (when I was there) it was the #2 state school in New England, behind UVM. In fact, I was accepted at Syracuse & UConn ... but I was denied admission to UVM.

Now UConn is the unquestioned #1 public school in New England, and the #14 public FBS school.

I am always amused at how fans like to cherry pick data to support their agendas. Uconn-SMU, yes, it is true that Uconn is rated by USN&WR as the top public national university in NE. However, the "universe" you are comparing Uconn to is FIVE other schools. For those who don't know New England, private colleges and universities make up a much bigger chunk of the landscape in New England. When Uconn is compared to the TOTAL number of national universities, located in New England, in the latest USN&WR rankings, they are further down the pack:

#2 Harvard
#3 Yale
#7 MIT
#10 Dartmouth
#14 Brown
#28 Tufts
#31 Boston College
#32 Brandeis
#41 Boston University
#49 Northeastern
#57 Uconn

Your claim about Uconn being the #1 Public School in New England would be like me making the claim that Boston College is the #1 New England College in FBS. Both statements are true, but in the context of this Board and subject, neither are very relevant, IMO.

(11-11-2013 03:03 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Poor UConn takes a real beating from a lot of posters.

They're a great academic school. So what? So's Rice and Tulane. What makes them any better, conference wise, than those two?

(11-11-2013 02:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I have never witnessed as much "piss and vinegar" (pardon the Southern expression) over a situation as I have with the Connecticut inclusion issue. I chalked some of it up to ACC/Big East/ACC issues and some of it to realignment angst. I think all of that is irrelevant and that in the end, whenever and however that comes, that UConn will be in an upper tier conference. Their football was on a definite upswing until the coaching change and the basketball product is too valuable to leave behind.

Plus most of the fan base is located in west Connecticut, which is a very wealthy suburb of NYC. Otoh, Jim Calhoun rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and, even though he's no longer there, those people want UConn to suffer. And don't forget the former Atty Gen Richard Blumenthal brought a lawsuit against the ACC, Boston College and Miami.

(11-11-2013 03:23 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

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(11-09-2013 11:37 PM)The Turk Wrote:  [quote='lumberpack4' pid='9981611' dateline='1384057161']
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UConn was always a "good" school. Back in the early 1980's (when I was there) it was the #2 state school in New England, behind UVM. In fact, I was accepted at Syracuse & UConn ... but I was denied admission to UVM.

Now UConn is the unquestioned #1 public school in New England, and the #14 public FBS school.

I am always amused at how fans like to cherry pick data to support their agendas. Uconn-SMU, yes, it is true that Uconn is rated by USN&WR as the top public national university in NE. However, the "universe" you are comparing Uconn to is FIVE other schools. For those who don't know New England, private colleges and universities make up a much bigger chunk of the landscape in New England. When Uconn is compared to the TOTAL number of national universities, located in New England, in the latest USN&WR rankings, they are further down the pack:

#2 Harvard
#3 Yale
#7 MIT
#10 Dartmouth
#14 Brown
#28 Tufts
#31 Boston College
#32 Brandeis
#41 Boston University
#49 Northeastern
#57 Uconn

Your claim about Uconn being the #1 Public School in New England would be like me making the claim that Boston College is the #1 New England College in FBS. Both statements are true, but in the context of this Board and subject, neither are very relevant, IMO.

There was a poster saying UConn was not a good school when the he was growing up in New England. I was simply pointing out that it wasn't true.

I generally agree with your post, but I think being the #14 public FBS school (and the #19 public school overall) is worth something. It's not chickensh--.

That list of top U.S. News schools in New England is brutal academic competition.